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Celefoombor, in You can now get Kbin-it, my Reddit-like theme for kbin!

I installed this, it works really well. Thanks!

majkeli, in You can now get Kbin-it, my Reddit-like theme for kbin!
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Thanks man. I didn't like the text editor at the bottom.

OutZoned, in You can now get Kbin-it, my Reddit-like theme for kbin!
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Installed this (if you're using Safari on Mac, you can use Cascadea instead of Stylus). Works really well! love that the comment box is up top again.

blobcat,
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I'm glad you like it! I'm currently working on adding more icons (like the ones best/hot/new/top filter has on reddit) :D

OutZoned,
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That would be great! If you make changes to the style, do you know if they'll be populated automatically to everyone who has installed? Or will we have to install again.

blobcat,
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The extension checks for updates every 24 hours (you can change it in extension settings), you can also check for updates manually in "Manage".

blobcat,
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Oh sorry, forgot you are using a different extension. That's how it works on Stylus, I am not sure how it works on Cascadea since I don't use Safari or own a Mac.

OutZoned,
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Yep, it works! Thanks!

blobcat,
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released them with the 0.0.5 version, you can now check if you have them or find if there's an option to update the theme in the extension.

DarkThoughts,

Seeing it now, do you (or anyone here) know if "active" is the equivalent to Reddit's "rising"? Or a mixture of "rising" & "controversial"?

blobcat,
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I think it's most definitely the equivalent of "rising", just doesn't work exactly the same

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  • blobcat,
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    Sorry, no idea. Maybe try Cascadea? I don't use Safari but someone else in the thread used it and seems to worked.

    CosmicVelho, in I am making a reddit-like kbin theme :DD

    Is it possible to have a setting to hide anything related to "People"? Like the people tab up top as well as active people on the side. I love old.reddit because it's not about individuals, it's about communities.

    Also, how do you make a theme like this?

    blobcat,
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    You don't need a theme for it at all! If you have an adblocker (I use uBlock Origin, it may be different for other adblockers), right-click anywhere on the website, select "Block element", select what you want to get rid off (in this case the people tab or active people on the sidebar), if you got "karab.in/build/images/shape.png" selected (that's what happened to me) select the first option under "Cosmetic filters", and confirm clicking "Create".
    If you deleted something you didn't want to, you can bring it back by deleting the line in your adblock settings in the "My filters" tab.

    CosmicVelho,

    Holy banana, thank you. I can't believe I never tried this! Thank you.

    QHC, in I am making a reddit-like kbin theme :DD
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    Can you add collapsible comment trees via user styles?

    blobcat,
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    I don't think that's possible, sorry

    tanjera, in Ernest seems thirsty

    Definitely thank you for the reminder. Recently joined to replace Reddit and very impressed with how @ernest is busting his ass to accommodate the growth. Same with all the fediverse devs, tbh.

    gunnervi, in I am making a reddit-like kbin theme :DD
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    I could go either way on extending the top menu to the sides of the screen but moving the comment box to the top is a godsend

    blobcat,
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    Borg286,

    Can you include steps to install it. I tried to click the install but it only sent me to a css page. I'd like to know what to do with it.

    Can you also note whether or not it works for mobile.

    blobcat,
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    You need an extension called Stylus
    if you use Chrome/Edge/Opera or other chromium browser get it here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
    And if you use Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/styl-us/
    After you installed the extension, you should have a page showing css and on the top right side there should be a "Install style" button

    Martinligabue, in I am making a reddit-like kbin theme :DD

    interesting

    VulcanSphere, in Take a bow, developers of kbin.social
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    Here's Vulcan salute to @ernest and the whole kbin community!

    stephfinitely, in I am making a reddit-like kbin theme :DD
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    I will be watching this project with great interest.

    FlockofCats, in Realistically how does the fediverse make money and remain sustainable? only donations?
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    Yes? I don’t have anything to support this speculation, but I think donations from people who want a quality, ad-free service that they can have direct input into (at the instance level), will sustain itself.

    And the developers can also do ok on donations (I hope)

    And the amount of money needed is hopefully a lot less because the goal isn’t to repay venture capitalists and mint new billionaires.

    /end of totally uninformed take

    Totendax, in Realistically how does the fediverse make money and remain sustainable? only donations?

    I asked myself the same question, as even reddit is struggeling to be profitable.

    Kata1yst,
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    Realistically, the problem from the get go with Reddit is that it's a company. They have staff, they have managers/directors/c-levels for their staff, they have marketing, they have HR, they have a board, etc etc etc.

    These costs quickly dwarf even hefty infrastructure.

    Any "company" that builds a product will inevitably follow this trend. You either find a way to milk your customers for all their worth, or you fold. Venture Capitol and lenders eventually lose their patience.

    Fediverse is different because it's a passion project by a handful of programmers and sysadmins that are volunteering their time and in many cases money. The overhead is basically nil, the only real costs are time (which people are voluntary donating) and hardware.

    lol3droflxp,
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    Still, it seems like user numbers are exploding right now and servers don’t run on love and good wishes. I’m sure we’ll see some sort of monetisation at some point because free time of qualified people is limited

    tanjera,

    The structure of the fediverse won't allow for pervasive and consistent monetization. If a server starts running ads, people can move to another server. If a service (e.g. Lemmy, kbin) start running ads, people can switch services or fork a new service from an existing code base. The mobility it allows for let's people move freely but still connect with content across the fediverse.

    The structure is easier for the masses to support it through computing resources (e.g. start your own fediverse server), crowdsourced efforts (software development and server admin/moderation), and crowdsourced funding.

    Serinus,

    Unless people support the advertising, which is absolutely possible.

    I've gotten into several products primarily because of their sponsorship of League of Legends. I started going to Jersey Mike's subs because of their sponsorship of the Team Liquid League of Legends team (and their subs for dubs deals). Now I'm a regular customer there. I bought an XPS laptop in part to support Alienware sponsorships.

    Ads can be done well and have community support.

    blobcat,
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    I would say sponsorships and on-website advertistments are very different from each other. Sponsorships are agreed on by both sides and made together, website advertisements are just random banners that show up everywhere.

    anthropomorphist,

    exactly my thinking. I'm happy to donate something monthly and i do that on patreon for some creators but i don't know how reliable this option is for long term esp for a massive cost like development and servers

    lori,
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    The fediverse has already been running for years now with a TON of users. I don't think you need to worry that hard. As the number of users grows, the number of instances grows, and the load is spread out.

    leraje,
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    @anthropomorphist

    The cost, as others have said, is staffing. Most instances are run by one or two people.

    Most people (in the developed world at least) have very high speed connections now. If you couple that with a solution like Yunohost which you can easily install on a Pi or any old (or new) PC, you can then run a huge variety of solutions. I got a 4 year old PC base unit with 2TB HDD and 16GB RAM off ebay for less than £80, put Yunohost on it and now have the option to run a massive variety of Fediverse software including Mastodon, Lemmy etc etc. The cost to me is literally the PC. I'm already paying my ISP and all the software is FLOSS.

    I think this is an option more people can take up.

    lol3droflxp,
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    Then the instances will have to become far more specific. At this point every single instance tries to replace the whole of Reddit. Otherwise the fragmentation will kill it.

    BeardedGingerWonder,

    I've not dug too far into it, but I'd like to see more ability to aggregate and replicate existing instances but I'm not sure that gels too well with the model in general.

    In my head I'd like a thing where if I do choose I could spin up an instance, federate with lemmy.world and kbin, add a gaming community and have that be aggregation of the lemmy.world, kbin and my own gaming communities.

    Fwiw I'd also like to have a single user entity that propagates/can migrate seamlessly across all instances. I guess the model would be personal federation?

    Maybe some kind mutli associated with my account that I can migrate across instances would solve one half of the problem.

    The other side is replication, would allow local caching in my instance, or, if lemmy.world were to go rogue or shut down then that history would be preserved and on defederation I could keep the history.

    Maybe I just need to go build that lol.

    CatBookCat,
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    i just donated money and you can also donate money.

    lol3droflxp,
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    I know. However, I do not believe that reliance on the good will of the users will keep a fast growing platform running for long without there being large, uncovered costs for the operators.

    CatBookCat,
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    relying on the good will of the admins didn't work either

    tchambers, in Ernest seems thirsty
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    From my Mastodon server I briefly had both an OpenCollective and a Patreon, and users there clearly wanted to use the Patreon more. I'd suggest setting up both.

    Lemmington, (edited ) in /r/KbinMigration: This community has been banned

    I wonder why LemmyMigration is still there

    rgb_leds_are_love, in Take a bow, developers of kbin.social

    And true to my word, I haven't opened Reddit since yesterday. Social media post-2008 was unsustainable and at someone else's expense (the investors). Now that they want their money back, social media will go to shit until better business models are developed.

    Since the lockdowns of 2020, social media in the form of highly concentrated chat rooms became popular again (Discord, please don't become any more shit than you already are!). If social media will be going monke again, 1997-style, so be it.

    I'm considering hosting my own instance. I have a spare Windows/Linux dual boot laptop. Mf can stay connected to the internet and sit right underneath my router. Lemme sift through the docs see what I can find.

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