alex,
@alex@dads.cool avatar

The “great” thing about England is that when these articles come out and you google the person who wrote them it’s not something boring like “their dad is a trust fund manager” it’s “their dad is a baron, their grandfather edited the newspaper this appears in, and their family founded the private Bank of England

*all true of this writer

Npars01, (edited )
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@alex

The wealthy have been griping about laziness in the lower classes since forever.

Turn the argument on its head:
"A generation that will never afford a home thanks to a rapacious 1%, has decided to work their designated hours at their designated pay level.

This is upsetting the leisure class that relied on labor exploitation to keep their wealth."

https://truthout.org/articles/the-laziness-and-irresponsibility-of-the-working-class/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/07/nyregion/hamptons-workers-long-island.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ik0.WGNI.VneBbrmEVByM&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&ugrp=u&sgrp=c-cb

Paul Fairie has newspaper clippings going back 100 years...
https://mstdn.ca/@paulisci/111511518653607726

Npars01,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@alex

The long history of rich people complaining that no one wants jobs that are low wage with poor working conditions.

In effect, the rich complain that the poor aren't helping the rich stay rich.

What happens when workers balk and refuse to participate in a system that immiserates themselves and only benefits one side?

https://zarah-ceu.org/bitter-years-of-exploitation-domestic-workers-unorganized-labour-struggles-1890s-1938/

https://daily.jstor.org/how-america-tried-and-failed-to-solve-its-servant-problem/

Npars01,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@alex

"Young people are refusing to work unpaid overtime like their parents did

We will label them 'lazy' until they agree to work for free again

The young can't afford homes or afford to start families, so our traditional methods of coercive capitalism isn't working like it used to

The generation never got launched into life with the help of their parents because the orchestration of the 2008 financial crash wiped out a generation's savings"

KevinMarks,
@KevinMarks@xoxo.zone avatar

@alex and when she refers to her peers she means "other aristocrats"

ryan,
@ryan@dads.cool avatar

@alex “oh yes, the Money side of the family invented money”

grumpybozo,
@grumpybozo@toad.social avatar

@ryan @alex Crazier than that. The Money side married into the Coutts money, seemingly by happy accident.

etherdiver,
@etherdiver@ravenation.club avatar
ouinne,
@ouinne@wandering.shop avatar

@alex everyone is laughing at part of the name being money but the real tell is the Coutts part.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coutts

onepict,
@onepict@chaos.social avatar

@alex wait that's a real name?

Just sometimes with names like that, I do wonder if we're in a simulation. Like that name seems so made up.

Then I remember that England really still is Medieval Fun time land.

vfrmedia,
@vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de avatar

@onepict @alex I initially thought it was a Private Eye spoof of the Torygraph but she's real..

mxtthxw,
@mxtthxw@mxtthxw.art avatar

@vfrmedia @onepict @alex Apparently there’s another article she wrote saying she’s been dating for 20 years and no one wants to be with her.

I can’t think why…

malin,
@malin@dice.camp avatar

@mxtthxw @vfrmedia @onepict @alex I demand a link.

mxtthxw,
@mxtthxw@mxtthxw.art avatar
jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

@onepict @alex With that name, she's probably a proponent of austerity measures... for everyone else, naturally.

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@onepict @alex

I HAD to look it up, and while she doesn't have a wikipedia page of her own she's mentioned on her dad's wiki page (Crispin Money-Coutts, 9th Baron Latymer).

The English establishment is beyond self-parody (even before you get to the likes of Richard Grosvenor Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax).

paezha,
@paezha@mastodon.online avatar

@cstross @onepict @alex

Her lineage puts to shame all those lazy Gen Zeders. God only knows all the hard work involved in being a banker's squirt.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Money-Coutts,_9th_Baron_Latymer

onepict,
@onepict@chaos.social avatar

@paezha @cstross @alex

Kinda reminds me of the time when I referred to the posh kids as cuckoos. Like when you hear Scot's barons going on about how they are Scottish with a cut glass English accent and you know they went to public school

http://onepict.com/january10012021-cuckoosandempire.html

tanepiper,
@tanepiper@tane.codes avatar

@cstross @onepict @alex That's quite the nominative determinism there. Wonder if it works by deed poll

aoanla,
@aoanla@hachyderm.io avatar

@tanepiper @cstross @onepict @alex Ironically, it did, but the other way around. Crispin Money-Coutt's Great-great grandfather, Francis Money, was the son of the second daughter of the original Coutts, but complex will shenanigans precipitated by the first daughter marrying an American, which the will specifically ruled as cause for disinheritance (yes...) caused him to change his name by deed poll to Money-Coutts and inherit the wealth!

aoanla,
@aoanla@hachyderm.io avatar

@tanepiper @cstross @onepict @alex This was considered a bit of a joke even at the time - Punch published a little poem about it "Money takes the name of Coutts,
Superfluous and funny
For everyone considers Coutts,
Synonymous with Money."

onepict,
@onepict@chaos.social avatar

@aoanla @tanepiper @cstross @alex now I understand why Made in Chelsea and Downton Abbey is so popular with some of the masses.

This is East Enders level of drama, with lots of money.

aoanla,
@aoanla@hachyderm.io avatar

@onepict @tanepiper @cstross @alex it gets better - Queen Victoria herself apparently was moved to send a letter to the first daughter, Angela, asking her to think again about this "mad marriage" to an American...

tanepiper,
@tanepiper@tane.codes avatar

@aoanla @onepict @cstross @alex You know I've been reading some older books, and America has not been liked for quite a while seems. True capitalism was born there as it's founding system of philosophy and everyone spotted it.

jens,
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

@onepict @aoanla @tanepiper @cstross @alex It's a telenovela, but in good clothes, and with the stiffest of upper lips.

DJDarren,
@DJDarren@mendeddrum.org avatar

@cstross Alexander Boris de Pfeffle Johnson; man of the people. @onepict @alex

coffeenlanguage,
@coffeenlanguage@mastodon.social avatar

@cstross And her brother's a magician. I love it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/the-aristocrat-magician-who-turned-his-back-on-his-familys-banki/

"They have three children: the journalist and novelist Sophia Money-Coutts, magician Drummond Money-Coutts, and another daughter, Rosie." also killed me. Oh, Rosie.

mrcompletely,
@mrcompletely@heads.social avatar

@coffeenlanguage @cstross Rosie is either an axe murderer or the coolest, most fun person around

BarneyDellar,
@BarneyDellar@mastodon.scot avatar

@cstross @onepict @alex Don’t forget, Barclays was run by Ricci Rich and Bob Diamond…

jzillw,
@jzillw@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@BarneyDellar @cstross @onepict @alex In Poland, of the two leading politicians (who hate each other, but together represent right-wing establishment), one's first name is Donald, and the other's last name could plausibly be translated as Duck. Therefore, Poland has been ruled by a right-wing, corporate-loving Donald Duck for the last 20 years, which may seem funny, unless you live in Poland.

JugglingWithEggs,
@JugglingWithEggs@mstdn.social avatar

@cstross @onepict @alex

In her own words:

“Hello. Thanks awfully for coming to visit. I’m a British journalist and author, and I spend most of my time sitting at my kitchen table in South London, making cups of tea whenever I get stuck halfway through writing a sentence (this happens a LOT). Oh ok, sometimes I also have a biscuit. Or five biscuits. And a piece of toast and marmalade.”

Such a hard life…

https://sophiamoneycoutts.com

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@JugglingWithEggs @onepict @alex That bio is SO GENERIC that if you changed "South London" to "North Edinburgh" I could have written it.

JugglingWithEggs,
@JugglingWithEggs@mstdn.social avatar

@cstross @onepict @alex

The first bit to be fair could be any writer…but then:

‘I started out life, or grown-up life, anyway, as a journalist on the Evening Standard newspaper in London. There, I wrote about things like the maple syrup diet, doing four hours of cardio a day to exercise like Madonna, and accidentally travelling to Amsterdam on my brother’s passport.’

Just waltzed into a job at the Evening Standard…like you do, no hard yards on the locals.

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@JugglingWithEggs @onepict @alex And the privilege to not end up in pokey for illegally travelling on someone else's passport ....

gnoll110,
@gnoll110@ruby.social avatar

@cstross @onepict @alex

Me too.

Wikipedia: "Money-Coutts is a surname used by descendants of Francis Money-Coutts, 5th Baron Latymer. Notable holders of the surname include: Francis Money-Coutts ...

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@onepict @alex It helps to know that Coutts bank used to hold British banking license 002 (001 was the Bank of England), customer number one was the Monarch, it takes a deposit on the order of a million quid to open an account there, and ... you get the picture.

onepict,
@onepict@chaos.social avatar

@cstross @alex I think people tend to forget that when we mean the establishment, some of that establishment came over with the Normans.

NormanDunbar,
@NormanDunbar@mastodon.scot avatar

@onepict
I won't hear a word against the Normans. 😉
@cstross @alex

clacke,

> Has your “posh” name brought prejudice?Undoubtedly. My Dad advised me to change it when I went in to journalism, and now I wish I had. I’ve had to develop coping mechanisms.

> Like what?

Self-effacement. David Baddiel posted a photo of my book on Twitter, saying: “This can’t be a real person. She sounds like a character from Dickens.” I just replied “Real Person” and ignored the later comments.

sundaypost.com/fp/questionsfor…

@cstross @onepict @alex

onepict,
@onepict@chaos.social avatar

@clacke @alex @cstross but of course it's an interview in the Sunday Post.

DJDarren,
@DJDarren@mendeddrum.org avatar

@alex Strong edit.

annika,
@annika@xoxo.zone avatar

@alex excellent edit

hazelnot,
@hazelnot@sunbeam.city avatar

@annika @alex unless you don't wanna end up on a CIA watchlist 💀

annika,
@annika@xoxo.zone avatar

@hazelnot my first thought was Department of Homeland Security looking at social media at the border 😅 think they know about the fediverse yet?

twipped,
@twipped@twipped.social avatar

@alex curious edit…

twipped,
@twipped@twipped.social avatar

@alex I mean, I agree, but kinda weird flex

RobW,
@RobW@iosdev.space avatar

@alex @harshil English people do be called…

mxtthxw,
@mxtthxw@mxtthxw.art avatar

@alex This is where you need Kathy Burke to chime in and say “Shut up you cunt”.

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