adamjcook, to ChatGPT

Another day, another dangerous video.

You know, I have been following Tesla's FSD Beta program for a very long time.

Back around 2015 or so, the mantra was that the FSD Beta was on the cusp of an "AlphaGo" moment.

But, is old news now.

is white hot.

Let's explore why a system capable of partial driving automation (like FSD Beta) and automated driving systems more broadly are decidedly not at all like ChatGPT.

https://youtu.be/4zcqVc37Jcw

adamjcook,

@slothrop In the US, there is effectively zero regulation for motor vehicles.

Frankly, the might as not even exist - and it virtually doesn't.

adamjcook, to random
adamjcook,

@DuncanWatson @riley Yup.

The 's safety recommendations on that were entirely ignored.

And I mean entirely.

The "human driver" caught the blame.

And "always blaming the human driver" might as well be printed on the 's stationary.

adamjcook,

@brennansv I have a thread coming up on that soon - on the issues with this data collection program (which I might combine with a criticism of “five star” ratings programs).

In short, it is an effectively worthless program given that the “data” collected is unaudited.

But I wish that was the only issue with it.

Maybe I’ll drop a thread tomorrow.

adamjcook, to random

Ok. So recently, had published an "Impact Report" which contained a slide presenting some "data" that their and products "enhance safety".

And one article and one Twitter thread caught my eye in scrutinizing these numbers.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-again-paints-a-very-misleading-story-with-their-crash-data/

https://twitter.com/NoahGoodall/status/1651323363099553793

While the analyses and arguments in this article and thread are not necessarily wrong, there are more fundamental issues here that need to be surfaced in my view... so let's take a look.

adamjcook,

It really is a broader problem with regulators globally.

The collects (unaudited, effectively voluntary) "data" from automakers on automated driving system incidents that they happen to know about...

testing "data" is viewed as a substitute for independent scrutiny of automaker validation processes...

Everyone is collecting data, but missing the big picture.

It is simply awaiting catastrophic, avoidable injury and death instead of proactively preventing it.

adamjcook, to random

I have to say, it has really been a disappointing time under the Administration for - after having so much promise initially.

I do not know what the issues are here, but President Biden should ask Secretary for his resignation.

Sure, former Secretary Elaine Chao was ideologically worse than Buttigieg, but they are both virtually identical in ineffectiveness.

That is unacceptable.

Sad to say, but here we are.

adamjcook,

@enmodo He does. Repeatedly. Twice just this month by my count.

It has all the hallmarks of an individual that simply cannot understand or appreciate the actual safety issues.

The press seems to catch him in between tech conferences and I have zero clue how the Secretary of Transportation, with serious and ongoing roadway and rail safety issues no less, has time for any of that.

The is without permanent leadership today, as we speak.

adamjcook,

@enmodo I really did not say much of anything there.

I meant "outsized" in terms of a constellation of historic (like increasing vehicle size) and emerging (like automated driving systems) vehicle safety issues that are growing and converging.

And, no, the dysfunction and obstruction in is not a valid excuse in my view.

The has broad powers.

It could act substantially and unilaterally if had any interest to do so.

adamjcook, (edited ) to ai

I will say it again...

I do not recall an open letter with thousands of prominent signatories, a hastily-assembled White House Task Force and a big Senate hearing for automated driving systems.

You know... systems that are masquerading as that have killed people and have the capacity to readily cause immediate injury and death.

We have an unregulated Wild West out there on that.

No, no.

Let's sound the alarm over a goddamned chatbot.

adamjcook,

@Craktok The , the federal car safety regulator, actually has some pretty broad powers, in theory.

But decades of subservience to automakers have eroded their independence, competence and credibility.

The NHTSA has only had a whole 3 months with a permanent administrator during ’s term.

The White House could have made some powerful moves, without Congress, to significantly rein in this Wild West… but they have not, across three different administrations now.

adamjcook, to random

Alright, so last week, a jury in California rejected the claims brought against 's product.

I am not a lawyer and the detailed analysis of legal issues is orthogonal to the obligations of experts in educating the public and in criticizing regulators.

The responses from the jurors in this case are interesting, though... and very much expected.

Let's briefly break this down a bit.

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/04/21/jurors-in-lawsuit-say-tesla-never-claimed-autopilot-to-be-a-self-pilot/

adamjcook,

The fact is...

This case, this "bellwether" case that is being celebrated by some, should have never made it to a jury.

It did make it to a jury because the has so completely dropped the ball on even marginally regulating the marketing and design of these extremely dangerous and inherently deceptive systems - systems that, by their very definition, are structurally unsafe.

And the NHTSA is completely fine with that.

What does the NHTSA care?

They are not getting any heat here.

adamjcook,

I suppose that is all to be said about that here.

The does not have the skill sets or the interest to understand or really appreciate what I wrote here, but those are the facts.

exploits that and, in time, so will all automakers to varying degrees.

adamjcook, to random

An interesting article here by @mimsical and I would recommend reading it.

I think it is a reasonable take on how, essentially, the regulatory landscape will look in the US and perhaps elsewhere.

That said, I have some notes.

Not so much on the article itself... but on my favorite punching bag, the .

For those that do not know, the NHTSA is the unserious, disinterested and effectively theoretical regulator in the US for vehicle and roadway safety. 🧵

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-will-we-know-when-self-driving-cars-are-safe-when-they-can-handle-the-worlds-worst-drivers-fd35b907

MisterMadge,

@adamjcook
I enjoyed your commitment to referring to the everytime with a preceding article.

adamjcook,

@mimsical But the immense complexity of the roadways are a given and they should be a given to developers and fleets.

System developers and fleets cannot unilaterally change that.

There is no technical value in trying to fix "fault" on any roadway participant (as the does, which is partly why the US record is abysmal).

The obligations of systems developers are to validate their system in a selected physical environment - with its warts and all.

adamjcook,

@mimsical Again, the is not remotely capable of that because, for decades, the NHTSA has hidden behind a "blame the human" dogma and shallow assessments (often known as "five-star vehicle ratings").

Focusing on "the math" (an endpoint) with respect to safety would therefore be familiar ground for the and I do expect them to embrace it - as this article predicts.

But the unique risk with ADS safety is that "the human" can no longer be readily blamed anymore.

adamjcook,

@mimsical Let me just say that I have never heard a remotely convincing argument yet as to why cannot be regulated with almost the exact same processes that commercial aircraft are.

That is not necessarily to disagree with this take from , but it is a higher level observation of mine.

No, the is not capable of that type of rigorous oversight (from a skill sets perspective, at the very least), but that fact does not invalidate how the regulatory processes should be.

adamjcook, (edited ) to random

The is a deeply troubled agency and I think the "reforms", whatever they may be after the 737 MAX scandal, will come up hopelessly short.

Sadly, the FAA is probably the most robust agency under the US Department of Transportation.

Agencies like the (the agency responsible for highway and vehicle safety) might as well not even exist.

Secretary Buttigieg has been profoundly disappointing on this front.

https://apnews.com/article/boeing-max-crashes-faa-ea8fac0ad2758b08c58d2d64756fbf37

adamjcook,

It took the Administration nearly a year to nominate Steven Cliff as Administrator - an unacceptable amount of wasted time.

And Steven Cliff left after three whole months!

Today, the NHTSA is without a permanent administrator.

The public is being constantly misled that there is a strong regulator backing the safety fitness of your vehicle and of the roads that you use.

adamjcook, (edited ) to random

So, Chair Khan, are we going to finally do something about manufacturers dangerously exaggerating the capabilities of -equipped automated driving systems?

Or nah?

Because this has been going on for nearly 10 years now.

You know... one almost has to admire the absurdity of how a goddamn finally blew the top off of primordial safety issues that have long-existed in the "AI" industry.

I have been reflecting on this. Let's explore.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/03/opinion/ai-lina-khan-ftc-technology.html

adamjcook,

It took the Administration nearly 2 days to trot out Secretary to issue a half-hearted statement defending the appointment of Professor Cummings to the role.

But by then it was too late.

Professor Cummings was forced off of Twitter.

It was later reported that Professor Cummings agreed, at the request of the NHTSA, to recuse herself of all matters related to (the top industry problem) and she unceremoniously left the agency at the end of last year.

adamjcook,

Speaking about those who tried to warn regulators about 's "AI" wrongdoings and were dismissed and attacked, I would be remiss not to mention Professor Missy Cummings - one of the top minds in and automated driving systems and a hero fighter pilot.

In October 2021, the (the highway and vehicle safety regulator in the US) tapped Professor Cummings as a Senior Safety Advisor.

Musk sicked his cult on her immediately: https://slate.com/technology/2021/10/tesla-missy-cummings-nhtsa-elon-musk.html

adamjcook, to random

It is like Groundhog Day, once again, at the US Department of Transportation.

Incredible.

Here we are again, Secretary all but admitting that 's marketing strategies are deceptive and dangerous... but not leveraging the broad powers of the to do anything about it.

This has only been going on for nearly 10 years now...

https://apnews.com/article/tesla-autopilot-buttigieg-investigation-crash-musk-1455d194b18fe17609554dd68864654c

adamjcook,

The , the regulator responsible for roadway and vehicle safety, has had a permanent Administrator for a whopping three months of 's term.

I mean... US regulations never effectively existed, but we are not even pretending they exist anymore.

laurenshof, to space

good read on the outcomes of the launch. It really does not bode well for starship, and thats only based on the current issues with the launch. The article does not go into the regulatory risk that comes with any revision to the launch base, which obviously has to happen. It does mention that barely anybody knows the actual financials of spacex, which is also a big red flag. ZIRP is over, and financing will get more expensive.

Sure the idea is to quickly reiterate on the design, but how many reiterations can spacex still afford?

https://lavieohana.medium.com/starship-oft-thoughts-15573f6b9cea

adamjcook,

@flowerpot @laurenshof The is a deeply flawed regulatory agency that has seen its robustness and, effectively, its mandate (that was always contradictory) eroded over the years due to a variety of forces.

And that is saying something because the FAA is one of the most robust regulatory agencies under USDOT.

For example, the , which is supposed to regulate highway and vehicle safety is so ineffective that it might as well not even exist.

adamjcook, to random

This is really more of a story about and its immense effectiveness failures - a long-standing problem that underpins US construction and activities.

The agency existing, on paper, while doing nothing actually harms the public as the public thinks there is someone looking out for their interests when there is not.

https://www.texasobserver.org/tesla-texas-worker-death-heat/

adamjcook,

It is just like the lack of effective auto regulation in the US (supposed to be maintained by yet another ineffective US regulator - the ) and how exploits that via its and programs.

It is just like testing eclipsing what should be proper auto regulation via validation process oversight.

Regulatory “illusions” designed to trick the public into thinking there is a cop on the beat.

mattmangels, to random

How much money do you think Cruise/Waymo etc have thrown at London Breed and other SF gov't officials? That these vehicles are still allowed to be on public roads is some incredible regulatory capture.

adamjcook,

@chema @mattmangels It’s that and it’s really just a continuation of effectively having zero automotive regulations in the US on a federal level.

The , the federal agency responsible for highway and vehicle safety, has spend decades and countless resources to construct a public image of robust regulation, while the truth is entirely the opposite.

I have written about this extensively in the past: https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/zti9f8/the_infamous_nhtsa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1

patrickcmiller, to random

Lawmakers tell Biden they are ‘extremely concerned’ about critical vacant cyber role https://fcw.com/security/2023/05/lawmakers-tell-biden-they-are-extremely-concerned-about-critical-vacant-cyber-role/386305/

adamjcook,

@patrickcmiller This and the vacuum of permanent leadership at the (the regulator responsible for roadway and vehicle safety).

There are increasingly onerous dimensions emerging there as well.

Zero eyes on it, so far.

kentindell, to random
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  • adamjcook,

    @kentindell The real question, in my view, is if this individual even recognizes that this vehicle behavior was safety-deficient.

    What we are dealing with here is "stage 2" of 's years-long, unchecked marketing campaign of exaggerating the capabilities of their automated driving systems - that is, human drivers are now just "making up their own rules" in order to advocate for Tesla (the company) and for .

    Meanwhile, the is still hopelessly stuck on "stage 1".

    w7voa, to random
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    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg tells AP that shouldn’t be calling its partially automated driving system Autopilot because the cars can’t drive themselves. https://apnews.com/article/tesla-autopilot-buttigieg-investigation-crash-musk-1455d194b18fe17609554dd68864654c

    adamjcook,

    @w7voa So.... is calling their system "Full Self-Driving" (the least of the wrongdoings, as a matter of fact).

    And it is not at all capable of "self-driving" at any time.

    And this is dangerous.

    And this has been the case for almost 10 years.

    Why then is Secretary still talking about this instead of directing his agency, the , to come down on it?

    Just infuriating.

    This has to be the third statement this year that he has made on this.

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    Kia and Hyundai agree to $200M settlement for making cars viral theft targets - Enlarge / We used this image of an Ars staffer's stolen Hyundai to illu... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1940470

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