RL_Dane, to bluesky
@RL_Dane@fosstodon.org avatar

"Blockchain Rasputin over here is mad that moderation exists." — @jwz

https://mastodon.social/@jwz/112419816161276351

"These guys only care about their assumed right to force people who aren't interested to listen. "Free speech" is when they can say awful stuff and you can't answer back. When Dorsey calls Twitter -- Twitter! -- "freedom technology," that's the freedom he means. They can't live without unwilling ears to bash."

matthew, to TikTok
@matthew@social.retroedge.tech avatar
vruz, to FreeSpeech
@vruz@mastodon.social avatar

So far it seems that free speech, just like many other things, is being substituted with maximalist subversions of it, and used, and weaponised more and more often with the very specific purpose of helping capitalists and the patriarchy to amass even more wealth and power, on top of their already obscene wealth and power.

These may not be the outcomes that some maximalists seek, but these are the actually-existing outcomes we get.

https://hype.co/@texasobserver/e7qa82x4

kiplet, to random
@kiplet@social.tchncs.de avatar

Your job is not to defeat the Nazi in the marketplace of ideas. We already did that. Your job is not to persuade them, or convert them, that comes later, and is on their heads. Your job is to make them afraid. Afraid to be a Nazi in public. To speak Nazi. To do Nazi things. —Make Nazis afraid again.

TruthSandwich,

@rameshgupta @kiplet

There is no reason why any private entity should platform Nazis, much less profit off this.

The 1st amendment literally applies only to the government. Substack is not the government.

As for the general notion of free speech, since when does it apply to lies and incitement to violence?

aral, to meta
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar
kkarhan, to random
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

Apparently the has chosen an open pit mine for hate as their "hill to die on"...
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps-should-not-police-online-speech-no-matter-how-awful-it

Because there is no valid reason to ever defend and has the right to [) traffic to them for all the valid reasons...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

If @eff wants to join that beyond- & site, then that can be arranged...
https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/drop.asn.block.list.tsv

Much bigger "" fans have folded when customers decided to yeet them aka. boycott and cancel them...

SallyStrange, to FreeSpeech

Hey there free speech warriors.

Just a note: if you're defending the abstract principle of free speech while using the repressed speech of Nazis as an example? You're defending Nazis.

If you want to defend the abstract principle of free speech, find a different group whose speech has been repressed to do it. I guarantee you there are many examples.

This applies to any and all abstract principles.

SallyStrange, to random

People who have good ideas: simply talk about them

People who have shit ideas: talk endlessly about how awful it would be if they were stopped from talking about them

ruby, to drupal

In the community we're hearing the term "Open Web" being used a lot lately. The hosting service has used it to justify their platforming hate groups such as the "Alliance Defending Freedom." https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/webops-platform-pantheon-defends-hosting-hate-groups-as-developers-quit/

And now the has issued their own Open Web Manifesto https://www.drupal.org/open-web-manifesto which specifically references inclusion and diversity as requirements while expressing no awareness or concern about how the "Open Web" is being used as a dog whistle for free speech absolutists that don't mind seeing many of us marginalized, attacked, and pushed out of the community.

I assume that the DA have good intentions about the potential of the Open Web to create a more open and free society. However to repeat this term without recognizing that it is already being used within our community to rationalize behavior that does the opposite of what they claim to be working for is either naive or disingenuous.

We can't make the world or our community better by ignoring the problems it has. A true commitment to diversity and inclusion means making an effort to change the systems that have made tech famously homogeneous and hostile to people who don't fit the mold. So I would like to know whether @dries sees Drupal's Open Web Manifesto as aligned with Pantheon's position https://pantheon.io/platform-content-position that protecting the "Open Web" means they must do nothing about actual hate speech and campaigns to deny human rights.

I just don't think we can have it both ways.

juliaserano, to trans
@juliaserano@mastodon.social avatar

sometimes people (& religious headpieces) accuse marginalized groups of "censorship" if they call for hate speech & disinformation directed against them to be restricted. this 2017 essay explains why said ppl/hats are wrong: https://juliaserano.medium.com/refusing-to-tolerate-intolerance-f24c1bff513f

amberage, to bluesky
@amberage@eldritch.cafe avatar

This write-up of 's moderation policies is entirely too optimistic and good-faith, but the things it describes speak for themselves:

  • BlueSky deletes aren't actual deletes (git reverts)
  • blocks are hastily patched in and public
  • BlueSky mostly plans to mute / limit reach for hate speech, not suspend
  • its moderation is largely algorithmic
  • they basically have Intel's "racism: none, some, all" slider

Bluesky's user safety situation

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@amberage as a matter of favt, won't even comply with criminal codes and delete .

This is a red line for even the most shady "!!!" and -dostributing |s!

Which is why I've put them on my :activitypub: blocklist.
https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/issues/35

Needless to say I hope regulators like & @BNetzA will pull the pugs on them at the first report of it actually happening...

jace, to random
@jace@mstdn.ca avatar

Happy Pride Month, ! 🌈 We're celebrating love and diversity with a special surprise. Say hello to our new :CApride:​ Pride Emoji on mstdn.ca! Brighten up your posts and profile names with a splash of rainbow by simply typing : CApride : with no spaces. Here's to a fun-filled, love-loaded June. Let's get our ! :canparrot:​

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@jace why is of the not in jail for inciting hatred?

isn't known to like " extremism"...

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