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gimulnautti

@gimulnautti@mastodon.green

Pirate Politician, Software Developer, MA Musicology (he/him)

Interests:
Culture, Math, Sociology, Philosophy, Music, Demoscene, Games, #NAFO, Writing, Disc Golf, Skateboarding.

Not here for snarky comebacks. A slur is not an argument.

Other fediverse accounts:
https://mastodon.green/@gimulnautti @metapixl.com
https://mastodon.green/@gimulnautti @mastodontti.fi

Blog:
https://gimulnaut.wordpress.com
https://medium.com/@toni.k.aittoniemi

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gimulnautti, to random
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@parismarx Hey Paris! I listen to your Tech Won’t Save Us regularly, but every now and then I come across unproductive ways of countering right-wing or conservative arguments and the latest episode with Julia Black had one regarding: ”Facts don’t care about feelings.”

The way you handle in the show fails at not ”walking a mile in the other’s shoes”, and you miss the obvious point that the other has already invalidated your counterargument that feelings matter.

gimulnautti, (edited )
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@parismarx Now. If you proceed to say that nope feelings do matter, it doesn’t matter if you’re right or wrong because it’s not moving any needles on the other end.

To have a fruitful counterargument, you should accept the other’s argument and NOT attack their point of view. ”Which facts? The ones you defined?”, for example and quote counter-facts first.

From there you can then proceed to facts that also point out feelings indeed do correspond to useful evolutionary mechanics, too.

gimulnautti,
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@parismarx Anyway, keep up the good work, and hopefully we can use this network between us for your audience to help you make the show better!

gimulnautti, to random
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Facts check, can you correctly identify these ultra-large structures? 😁

jonnynexus, to ai
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I fundamentally don't get "writing" a story using . Why? What's the point? It would be like getting a robot to run a marathon for you. Where's the accomplishment? Where's the pride? (And that's before we consider that it's almost certainly an unoriginal, derivative story).

gimulnautti,
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@jonnynexus I think it’ll be of very much usage in trivial stories that do not have to be original.

Those stories do have value. It’s not high culture, but it doesn’t have to be. It’s functional, not art.

AI’s ability to create structure might be of great usage. A human might only need to write the main storyline, while AI provides the supporting cast.

gimulnautti,
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@jonnynexus But the value of art is ultimately not the structure.

What matters if the art manages to speak to you in a way that moves you. And that can either be something timeless like in great pieces of art, or something in the zeitgeist, in the moment.

The first will probably remain dominated by humans, but the second will likely evolve to be AI-assisted; simply for the speed it allows for people to comment on contemporary matters.

gimulnautti,
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@jonnynexus But isn’t the whole craze that you wouldn’t be able to tell apart which is which?

But you should be guaranteed to be able to, by legislation.

gimulnautti,
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@jonnynexus Yeah. But as Tristan Harris cleverly pointed out, we have spent out time too long looking at the point where AI overwhelms human excellence. By doing that we miss the much earlier point where it overwhelms human weaknesses.

Weak writers will get a great boost from the AI. And that will change things. Not on the top, but in the middle.

gimulnautti, to science
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Assembly theory takes a knack at defining time as a property of complex objects that exhibit forms of memory.

https://aeon.co/essays/time-is-not-an-illusion-its-an-object-with-physical-size

Sardonicus, to random
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“If we vanished tomorrow, no organism on this planet would miss us. Nothing in nature needs us.”

― Thomas Ligotti, The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

gimulnautti,
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@Princejvstin @Sardonicus Yeah. The statement is not true at all. Our clearing of forests and disturbing stagnant habitats does also make way for species that thrive in disturbances.

Systems that are not disturbed do not develop as high complexity as those in flux. Our changing of the enviroment has also affected evolution of many species.

Of course, we can still duck up the whole planet, but this statement is not factual, but ideological.

I smell eco-fascism.

gimulnautti,
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@Princejvstin @Sardonicus I also have not read the book.

But I do not agree that criticism about a quote should be subject to self-censorship on those grounds either.

Are you suggesting that a reaction to the quote without the work in context is of such low value, that other people should know better than to state their opinion?

That would make you not want interaction. That would encourage this network to not speak when they feel something is wrong.

Are you sure you know what you want?

rolle, (edited ) to internet
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If Facebook and Instagram were to join the Fediverse and you could follow users from that world from your instance, would you do it?

Boosts appreciated. I'd like to know the current consensus of the Fediverse.

gimulnautti,
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@WTL @rolle All networks large enough (with humans) actually become ultimately uncontrollable. Meta is not - in the established sense of the word - in control of their own network. The only true control they have is the off-switch. Which would devalue what they have.

Even if facebook joined, they would not have control of how the feed looks to you

But that’s not what would change: The change would be the unpredictability of a billion connections between humans connected by their algorithm.

bombadillo, to random Finnish

Väitän että tulevaisuuden historioitsijat tulevat näkemään Käärijän hahmon selvänä merkkinä siitä, kun suomalaisille kehittyi vihdoin terve itsetunto. Mies joka voitti vaikka hävisi, olemalla oma itsensä, on uusi tarina suomalaisuuden kaanoniin. Vanha tarina kuului niin, että suomalainen häviää aina.
Me voimme siis menestyä olemalla omia itsejämme. Ei tarvitse matkia ketään.

gimulnautti,
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@bombadillo

🫲🟢💚😊💚🟢🫱

gimulnautti, to random Finnish
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Harmi että jälleen kerran oikeiston allergisuus velan käytölle talouden instrumenttina pilaa hyvät mahdollisuudet tervehdyttää koko Europan taloutta.

EUn yhteisvelka, lainoitettuna yhteismarkkina-alueen sisällä toimivilta finanssi-instituutioilta voisi hillitä inflaatiota laskemalla korkoja.

Erittäin maksuvalmiilta toimijalta (EU) kirjatut suuret saatavat pankkien taseessa helpottaisivat lainojen myöntämistä yrityksille jotka tuottavat arvon niillä samoilla markkinoilla.

crunchysteve, to random

While I'm bitching about batteries, large or small. We need laws which require manufacturers to make mobile phone, tablet and laptop batteries replaceable and trade-in-able (<- not a word, I know), with additional legislation requiring manufacturers to be responsible for the recycling. Replacing a whole device because the battery is at 25% of spec is a major part of the problem. And the cobalt in the battery casings can be recycled instead of mined by slaves in the DRC. Most metallic elements are as close to 100% recyclable as to make disposal and mining new a crime against humanity, even without slavery being involved.

The device I'm writing this on was bought with a trade-in of my old device to the manufacturer of these devices. This was only voluntary, though. These trade-ins need to be compulsory and batteries need to be exchangeable. I turn my old desktops into Debian boxes when they become too old to run their native OS after security patches and updates.

gimulnautti,
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@crunchysteve Mandating recycling wouldn’t even be necessary, should mining’s price tag come with the true costs included. But as long as that isn’t going to happen, maybe some laws could be good.

gimulnautti, to random
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Ironically, the kind of large-scale social contract engineering performed by ”the woke mind virus” is exactly what mega-sized networks of computer algorithms and people need to stay free of centralised censorship and control.

https://www.amazon.com/Meganets-Digital-Control-Commandeer-Realities/dp/1541774442

gimulnautti,
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@harri It’s a great read. Coincidentally, a similar kind of logic has been suggested by the ”father” of metamodern politics Hanzi Freinacht (which is just a pen-name of Daniel Görtz and Emil Friis) in their treatise The Listening Society.

https://www.amazon.com/Listening-Society-Metamodern-Politics-Guides/dp/8799973901

gimulnautti,
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@harri The history of freedom is a paradox. If we look at on an objective level the development of individual freedom, people used to be able to count their freedoms in much more varied ways than now. Yet people feel more free.

Still, on an absolute level, the amount of control has increased massively! But what matters is that it is not in the hands of single individuals and people feel they have a chance at affecting the rules of that control.

gimulnautti,
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@harri The alt-right etc are correct to point out that control is increasing. But either they are willfully leaving out the obvious result that actually the control is enabling choices that were previously unavailable due to lack of control, or they are just dumb.

I mean, taking away the freedom for a man to challenge another in a duel enable quite a bit of behaviours a woman couldn’t take beforehand.

A hard conservative might not like that, but I think it was good. 😃

gimulnautti,
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@harri The books are something else to read, too. I think they invented a fictious philosopher to make their play precisely because extremely brutal honesty about the failures of all current political strains is required to punch through. Very entertaining if you like your ideological brains blown out and then reassembled. 😄

vonderleyen, to random
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This @G7 shows that unity is our strength.

Be it on defending the rules based international order.

Or on win-win partnerships with other global partners.

Thank you dear PM @kishida230 for your leadership of the G7 and your emphasis on a free and open Indo-Pacific.

🐦🔗: https://n.respublicae.eu/vonderleyen/status/1659764702006882306

video/mp4

gimulnautti,
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@vonderleyen Look at them trending comments though!

It’s true that the existing power balance is very skewed and based on centuries of exploitation, but that’s not the point of institutions like these.

That the giants have agreed to keep open dialogue and co-operation is outright wonderful, and we should keep it that way. No-one is saying that so I will!

That they talk is SEPARATE from that they are powerful. The dumb won’t be able to tell the difference until end of times though.🤦‍♂️

ct_bergstrom, to random
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Drop whatever you are doing and take a few minutes to read this piece from @natematias — it's the most important thing I've read this year about the path forward in understanding how information technologies are shaping society, and what we can do to make this a force for good.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01521-z

gimulnautti,
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@ct_bergstrom @natematias a great book on the it. David B Auerbach is pitching a new term: Meganets to popularise it.

Ironically, the kind of large-scale social contract engineering performed by ”the woke mind virus” is exactly what mega-sized networks of computer algorithms and people need to stay free of centralised censorship and control.

https://www.amazon.com/Meganets-Digital-Control-Commandeer-Realities/dp/1541774442

LadyDragonfly, to random

At what point while dreaming up utopic futures where robots perform all the menial hard labor for no money leaving humanity to pursue meaningful lives of leisure writing music and making art did my parents generation fuck up and instead create the opposite

gimulnautti,
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@HistoPol @nycCatHerder @LadyDragonfly Yes it is quite unprecedented that a whole industry is practically begging to be regulated.

I would not doubt for a second though, that they’ll try to use this rare occurrence of communal sanity to also become the only legal game in town if they can.

Regulation should, however, start from verifying humans. We should assume any attempts to stop self-evolving constructs from appearing will fail, and we’ll need to be able to tell ourselves apart from them.

seldoncrisis, to ai

Episode 40 of features a conversation with GPT-4 on a fairly complex topic, the irreplaceability of human beings. This clip sets the stage, and a couple of others give a little more taste for the conversation itself.
https://www.withfanfare.com/p/seldon-crisis/ai-and-humanity-a-conversation-with-gpt-4

I, like many others lately, have been giving a lot of thought into the explosive developments in AI, particularly in the form of LLMs or Large Language Models like Chat GPT, which in its latest rendition is known simply as GPT-4. If you're curious how it got this acronym, it stands for Generative Pretrained Transformer. That last word is highly significant. The Transformer concept is the big breakthrough responsible for all the recent buzz. This is a remarkably simple idea. It works much like predictive text forming responses to prompts by selecting the appropriate next word one at a time to create coherent sentences, paragraphs and entire discussions that are eerily similar to what a human would come up with. I've been fascinated by it for the past couple of months and have learned a lot about how to interact with it productively. My main uses of it have been as an administrative assistant, so to speak. As someone with ADHD, I can be pretty scattered, and I find that it helps me to break down complex tasks into step by step approaches to tackle bigger and bigger challenges that I would otherwise find too daunting to start.

gimulnautti, (edited )
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@mwhelm @seldoncrisis The way we currently understand self-driving cars, it doesn’t. However, autonomous delivery vehicles (or fleets of them) could provide suitable embodiment. But it would also required for them to continously rewrite their own software, which I think should be banned from being implemented in anything that runs where there is life present. Any engineer worth their salt should consider running anything but ”a state” unsafe, but people are stupid and need laws for that reason.

gimulnautti,
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@seldoncrisis If you didn’t yet see the talk being quoted, I highly recommend it! (And following The Humane Technology foundation in general)

https://youtu.be/xoVJKj8lcNQ

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