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Good morning to readers; Kyiv remains in Ukrainian hands.

In , there's a building labeled 'The Church of St. Elon,' in Russian, no less!

We went there to see how became, in Ukrainians' eyes, 'Elon Muscovite'

Plus, reaction to Israel news:

http://counteroffensive.news

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In the Obolon neighborhood in northern Kyiv, there’s a peculiar building that stands out among the commercial area nearby.

‘The Church of St. Elon,’ reads the bold red text on the building – and in Russian, no less!

The words are emblazoned along the side of the roof, next to a large symbol, as if it were a red, jagged cross.

A shrine for Tesla-lovers in the capital city of .

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Until recently, the ‘church’ also had a portrait of Elon Musk in the traditional orthodox style, dressed as a saint, holding a SpaceX rocket, with the inscription ‘Prophet Elon.’

He was already popular, but Elon became a bonafide Ukrainian hero when the full-scale invasion began.

He offered Starlink terminals to beleaguered Ukrainian troops who were struggling to connect to the internet in the field.

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But Musk’s star has fallen among Ukrainian audiences a long way since then.

His portrait in the ‘The church of St. Elon’ was taken down not long ago.

And in recent days he has become something of a monster among Ukrainians.

He has called for to give up land for peace.

He helps perpetuate Russian propaganda.

NMBA,

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Ukrainians like nicknames…hear any good ones for Elmo?

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Bohdan Holovatiuk originally created this ‘church’ celebrating Musk as a showroom to sell cars.

He became obsessed with the electric vehicle after taking one for a test drive around ten years ago.

"When I first got behind the wheel of the car, I immediately wanted to sell something to buy it," he told The Counteroffensive.

Bohdan bought his first Tesla in 2015, and since then has driven all over Europe with his family in the car.

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Bohdan's love for Tesla grew into his own company, Tesla Service Kyiv (TSK).

They sell used and new Teslas from the US and Europe and provide services to Tesla owners in .

But despite loving Musk’s electric cars, the shop plans to stop celebrating the man himself so much.

At the showroom itself, its manager Vitalii told The Counteroffensive that they plan to change the label, no longer calling it the ‘Church of St Elon’.

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"We have ordered a new sticker, we will remove this one. First of all, it is written in Russian, and secondly, what Musk is doing is not normal. I've been in combat since the beginning of the war... Yeah, we sell Tesla products. The cars are cool, everything is cool, but what he claims..." Vitalii trailed off.

Ukrainians once had a lot of time for Elon.

Musk had become a hero by providing Starlink internet terminals to , just days after the full-scale invasion began.

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And to Russians, he was at that time an enemy.

In the beleaguered city of Mariupol, someone captured anti-Elon Musk graffiti, presumably written by Russian troops.

But now the script is flipped.

By October 2022, Musk said that SpaceX could no longer pay for the satellite uplink costs that the Starlink terminals require.

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Musk has called for a truce in the war, which would likely mean freezing the battle lines where they are now.

That would essentially mean a concession of Ukrainian territory to occupying Russian forces.

Putin recently praised Musk as "an active and talented businessman," following reports that Musk helped disrupt a Ukrainian attack on the Russian Navy because Starlink communications were not available off the coast of .

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/12/7419442/

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@timkmak

Musk is a Russian asset. Who is he that he thinks he can have an opinion...

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And this week, he went after the Ukrainian president, mocking Zelenskyy for asking for his repeated requests for aid as his country is being invaded, its civilians subject to war crimes, and its soldiers being maimed and killed.

Musk’s transformation into a villain for Ukrainians has meant that Tesla cars in face the prospect of being defaced, either by passersby, or even the owners themselves:

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However, most Tesla fans still justify Elon’s wildly changing views on , or otherwise say they have disconnected their views on the Tesla technology from the views on Elon Musk the person.

"When a person has a Tesla, it sounds cool compared to a Mercedes or an Audi," said Bohdan.

Another Tesla owner, Vitalii Levchuk, bought his car in 2019.

In addition to the other amenities, electricity is much cheaper than gas in the war-torn country.

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Bohdan Holovatiuk – who labeled his Tesla shop ‘The Church of St. Elon Musk’ – insists that Ukrainians should focus on the development of their own country rather than thinking about Musk too much.

"We need to develop the economy so that Ukrainian companies can compete for other markets. And if we don't do this, we will be constantly looking at what Elon Musk says. We have other things to do, and I think Elon is not the priority," Bohdan says.

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But Ukrainians on Elon Musk’s own website, Twitter, are not in the mood to forget.

Passers-by on the street near the so-called Church of St. Elon are also unhappy.

They told The Counteroffensive that they don't understand how people can tolerate Musk.

"Demolish this church if Elon Musk behaves like this, and supports Russia. Those who buy Teslas, like him, are helping Russia," said a passing soldier who did not disclose his name.

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"There shouldn't be such things, because it's also in Russian. We should at least erase that inscription," said Oleksandra, a 20-year-old passerby, referring to the hashtag along the roof about ‘St. Elon.’

The church’s manager promises that the inscription will come down soon.

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NEWS OF THE DAY:

It seems like all people can talk about here is the surprise attack on Israel this weekend.

More than one person has noted that the imagery from the last 24 hours has mirrored the imagery of the early full-scale invasion of .

President Zelenskyy quickly expressed his "solidarity" with Israel, noting that Ukrainians are in the unfortunate place of knowing what it feels like to have rockets fall on them, to have civilians killed in the streets.

Azih,

@timkmak is there anyone who understands and sympathizes with Palestinians being ethnically cleansed by Israel the way Russians want to do to Ukraine?

geographile,
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@timkmak in this case, though, the parallel ⬆️ ends when we compare what Russians were living like compared to what Palestinians in Gaza were living like. I don't like what Hamas did, but I think the parallel is poor.

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As the attacks unfolded, the Ukrainian embassy in Israel announced that its citizens should seek shelter during periods of shelling.

I couldn’t help but imagine the Ukrainian refugees who have sought refuge in Israel but found the war coming to them there as well.

“Information about the possible death of one Ukrainian citizen is being verified and the search for two of our citizens is underway,” Zelenskyy said in a message.

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The relationship between and is complicated, to say the least.

But Israel has been reluctant to provide military aid to Ukraine, even as Zelenskyy’s government does battle with Shahed drones made by Israel’s enemy Iran.

Part of this is explained by Israel's interest in maintaining good relations with Russia, since the Russians are fighting in Israeli's next door neighbor Syria.

mykhaylo,
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@timkmak that worked out great with Russia openly supporting HAMAS, and Putin's portraits hanging all over the place in Palestine.

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But FP's Stephen A. Cook argued earlier this year that Netanyahu's stance was also due to the Israeli-Russian "political affinities based on nationalism, identity, antipathy to liberalism and hostility to Muslims."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/06/israel-ukraine-war-russia-hawk-air-defense-netanyahu/

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REPORTER'S NOTEBOOK FROM MYROSLAVA:

A slight change of pace: Tim noticed at a cafe a Ukrainian person declining to put two flowers on the same table, and asked Myroslava to write about the Ukrainian traditions around them.

Myroslava adores flowers – indoor, wild, or bouquets, in general – it doesn't matter to her.

But most of all, she appreciates having a variety of flowers at home.

She is lucky – she grows indoor plants on her own.

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In general, has a very developed culture associated with flowers.

For example, it’s frowned upon to give an even number of flowers – or even to have an even number of flowers displayed.

A bouquet with an even number of flowers is only taken to funerals and cemeteries.

According to pagan beliefs, even numbers are the personification of death and evil and are associated with the end of life.

Odd numbers, on the other hand, symbolize development, success, luck, and life.

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In ancient times, flowers were most popular among young girls as an original hair decoration.

Flowers are also seen as a powerful amulet, bringing good luck.

Since ancient times, flowers woven into a wreath have had a special meaning.

Wreaths of fresh flowers are also worn on the head at traditional Ukrainian weddings.

In the past, the wreath symbolized the bride's purity and chastity.

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In each region, the composition of flowers differs. Even now, in the 21st century, brides also wear wreaths.

But these days they are more of a decorative piece of jewelry than a symbol of purity and virginity.

In Ukrainian culture, flowers were also used in various ornaments in embroidery.

For example, in some regions, roses were embroidered on clothing.

It was considered the flower of the sun, and its red color resembled the color of blood, a symbol of life.

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In , people have always believed in the magical power of the poppy to protect the family and the household from various misfortunes.

The red color of the flower's petals symbolizes the blood of fallen heroes in war.

In addition, in modern Ukraine, it is customary to give flowers to women both for no reason and with a reason.

Mother's Day has taken on huge significance in Ukrainian culture, celebrated by the giving of flowers!

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Today’s Dog of War is this cute dog that our friend (and William Glover Weiss’ fiance) Sophie Mestas saw on the street and chased after to capture in photographs.

She didn’t get the dog’s name because she didn’t know how to say ‘name’ in Ukrainian – we have since learned it is ім'я (pronounced im’ya).

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DaveMWilburn,

@timkmak FWIW, I think Ukrainian might be like a lot of European languages where you say "what are you called?" instead of "what is your name?"

So it would more likely be something like, "як свуть собаку?" (pronounced "yahk svoot so-bahk-oo"). Similarly, "what is your name?" would be "як вас свуть?" and you would answer "меня свуть тім".

My Ukrainian is limited to just fooling around with Duolingo, so I might be wrong there.

Runyan50,
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@timkmak Except now Russia’s alliance with hated enemy Iran will test this relationship.

geographile,
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⏫️ Netanyahu is conflating Israel with Netanyahu.

geographile,
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@timkmak I've seen bumper stickers on American Tesla's that say "I bought this before I knew he was an a******."

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@timkmak
He's a fool. And his cars are really not as good as he claims.

lwflouisa,
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@timkmak Did you know they do that with Chanel fashion co as well?

Even though the lady did way worse things than Tesla. I really fear for the future.

Thanks for the awesome psts.

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@timkmak

Musk is another one of Putin's .

Dingsextrem,
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@timkmak in hindsight one could speculate that the reason Musk provided starlink at the beginning of the war was all along a plot to execute control over ukrainian communications...

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@timkmak
Who could have predicted that dressing up a fascist billionaire in saint's robes could be problematic?

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