@atomicpoet Is he maybe trying to create a competitor to the ActivityPub standard that he can then take credit for? Why do these people always communicate in vague two word statements?
@chris@atomicpoet
Seems like yet another piece of evidence for the case that we should avoid putting all our eggs in the baskets owned by capricious zillionaires ...
I am always optimist and positive until clear signs of concern are presented to me.
Had you been nurtured in the fast paced environment of the tech startups, and even led them for years, you would not stand the slow pace of #OpenSource open management.
So, if you want to make a big contribution to the descentralised social media protocol, you are most likely to run your own show (like #AT) and then release it to the community than trying to forever negotiate compromises with the #AtivityPub folks. It will just come natural to you.
What if #bluesky technology is being developed so that the several hundred million monetizable #BorgSite users with its decrepit IT infrastructure can be migrated to a new platform when it finally comes all crushing down?
I am thinking of a big house that is in the final stages of burning down and then collapses as some pillars that are vital for statics are destroyed.
That is the image.
IMO #jack and #elmo are still working on the same project: l...
All those clout-chasing “influencers” on #Bluesky will look ridiculous if the app ceases to exist, and they’re forced to set up their own PDS on a Raspberry Pi.
I’m not saying this will happen, but it will be funny if it does.
@atomicpoet not cloutchasing. But I will say, it’s a lot more fun, and much easier to on ramp. Been on for 1 week and already have had much more interaction, from shittalk to politics to restaurant recs to self-reflection about the community as it constitutes itself. The mix of generosity + intellect + profanity feels like early bird site days. But with more lewds
@atomicpoet@ActiveCultures
Fair (and to be clear I'm not on BS or a BS/ATP advocate/shill or anything) ... but you are generally well connected, relevant and known here so I'm not entirely convinced your personal experiences/successes here are a good comparison with the casual user.
@maegul@ActiveCultures What it really is, if you don’t mind me saying, is that I’ve become accustomed to how things work here, and I’m willing to adjust to make stuff as easy to grok.
Generally, I try to discover how systems work, and how I can benefit from them.
And I believe that. But does that not make you the exception rather than the norm when it comes to the general public? Could one take your post above out of context and easily make the argument that mastodon advocates are just like linux desktop advocates that have no idea how little people want to go through the work and would rather a macOS "it just works" experience.
I won't do that, but you take my point re comparisons with other platforms.
I've always kind of wanted to "be the linux guy" but I'm not. I am some combination of too lazy/interested in other things. You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, though.
The fediverse is the only place that I trust interacting with random people, that I have no other connection with.
I have other forums, discord, etc. for certain groups, but I did a sniff test in November and nothing has changed my opinion.
@atomicpoet@ActiveCultures
From a broad tech perspective, I completely agree with your point. Though I suspect it'd more applicable to compare the linux kernel to ActivityPub (??). I'm talking about linux desktop. And yea, it's tired but also kinda real. My point was that you seemed to have just described yourself as someone looking to deploy the argument against mastodon/fediverse would expect an advocate to be.
@maegul@atomicpoet@ActiveCultures I don't understand your position. Every internet platform has ideosyncracies. Twitter wasn't immediately obvious to those of us who were early adopters.
I'm Linux proficient - to the extent that I fiddle under the hood - and I've not seen any fediverse service that is anything like it.
I've never had to sudo anything. There's few on the fediverse who do (or the equivalent)
@Sbectol@atomicpoet@ActiveCultures
Well I'm not really making an argument in favour of another platform here, so I'm probably the wrong person to ask.
But, I'd imagine sudo is like moving instance or finding communities to follow/engage with here, which you wouldn't have to do or wouldn't so hard on a centralised platform like twitter or BS (right now).
That would probably be the argument though, which I'm not making.
Ok ... it's all relative. And, more importantly, it's a dynamic about what platforms people choose and why.
Broadly speaking, many (from what I can tell) believe that the fediverse suffers somewhat from being made by techy people without a great eye on or concern for UX.
I'm inclined to agree (though also suspect it's more that it's just still in beta more than most admit). More or less the same can be said for Linux Desktop.
@maegul@ActiveCultures Largely, I don’t think this or that platform matters. The real point is ActivityPub (e.g., “the kernel”, in your analogy), and every other protocol that makes this happen.
It doesn’t matter if someone doesn’t like Mastodon because there’s probably something else that utilizes ActivityPub that will be preferable to them.
Or maybe not ActivityPub. Maybe Zot or AT instead.
@atomicpoet@maegul@ActiveCultures it seems to me you think decentralization is to social media today what smartphones were to computing in about 2001 ?
(Personally I think the future of decentralizated social media is uncertain.)
@maegul@llewelly@atomicpoet I’m a technophobe. I have a passing understanding of how the technology works and understand and appreciate the arguments for decentralization. But some of the features hear - borne of protection - that make it hard to find friends and dig thru follower lists - also made it very hard to on-ramp and gain momentum. Esp when my instance nearly failed and I had to migrate. The risk of one awol mod ruining it was a drag
Oh ... were you on mastodon.lol ... or that other instance I can't remember the name of where it just went down and no one knew what was happening? I recall there was a reddit thread about it and I was asking questions about it here too.
If true ... you had to just start again didn't you? DIdn't have anything to migrate or download as your prior instance just disappeared?
@atomicpoet Part of the drag for me here was that my instance almost ceased to exist. The mod went awol and the instance was almost blocked. To me, that single point of potential failure was a serious flaw in the model. I felt like I never regained any flow when I switched and tried to rebuild my still developing feed.
@atomicpoet Yes, he is on the board, but he doesn’t drive the roadmap. Jay and her team do. I would want one of them to confirm Jack’s comment before taking it seriously.
@rlux@atomicpoet I disagree. If the statement by a board member turns out to not match with how operations team view the project, you've got even bigger problems as an organisation. So either its bad news because Bluesky is temporary, or it is bad news because the organisational structure is so fucked up that board and operations disagree on the most basic question of "should we exist longterm".
@coastgnu@majorlinux@blackmastodon@BlackMastodon I’m not saying AT protocol won’t be an alternative to ActivityPub. What I am saying is that, based on Jack Dorsey’s words, don’t believe that Bluesky (the app/website) is something permanent.
@atomicpoet
These two threads by Patrick (@raccoon) attempt to address in technical terms what Dorsey is doing with Bluesky's AT Protocol, & I think they are quite helpful & important.
He sees a battle by Jack to become (again) the default microblog indexer. This seems connected to the points about control made by Platypush founder re Jack walking away b/c he couldn't get control over ActivityPub specs/fediverse.
[links to his threads are in QT of earlier post on this]
@atomicpoet@fediversenews Just imagine #Bluesky is a temporary App for the development of AT and AT is going to be implemented in a future #Twitter update (AKA the real Twitter 2.0).
Just a though…just a thought…😁
@atomicpoet@fediversenews ...this, to me, is the whole ballgame. Why, then, does Bluesky (purportedly) trump what Mastodon has done / is doing / will do?
@atomicpoet@ChrisPirillo Oh, that's interesting. Perhaps what they're doing here is building a hedge against the US Congress or courts detonating Section 230.
With no revenue model beyond indulging a fickle billionaire's whims? I give them 3 years. Maybe a little longer if they pivot toward revenue and pull in some VC money. But ultimately I don't think it's possible to run a new Twitter-like social network at a profit.
@atomicpoet@fediversenews Yeah, Jack just says things sometimes lol. He is pretty big on the board considering he's one third, but I doubt Jay would like to all of the sudden lose her company. And the other guy on the board seems way more aligned with Jay.
@atomicpoet Okay let's say that the app is temporary, it wouldn't make sense to just stop developing the app when the protocol is finished. What I imagine he means is that if the protocol takes off with a bunch of other companies and apps popping up then they would then drop the app. But I still doubt Jay would really want that, the way. The Bluesky app is supposed to be a market example like Surface Laptops or when Google makes a premium Chromebook.
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