I'm from a country where racism has confused some white people to the degree that they don't know whether they should vote for arguably one of the better presidents the nation has ever had and the continuation of democracy and the human race, or the devil fucking incarnate painted orange.
@StillIRise1963 I do have a lot of issues with Biden but yes, he is the best President of my lifetime.
The thing is that being President is a shady job and no matter who the President is they’re enmeshed in the same networks of people, systems, and institutions, which all range from problematic to ghoulish, and we all kind of have to make the best of it.
@StillIRise1963@MisuseCase
That’s always been how it works, from day one. Biden has had a hand in a lot of sausage-making in his long career, not all of it to my liking. He gets some of the blame for Justice Thomas, for instance, given his treatment of Anita Hill. But with the choices in front of us today there really should be no question. It may come down to who the VP candidate is, given the old guys’ ages. If it’s Haley vs. Harris, could be close. If it’s MTG, 😱🤯
@CosmicTrigger Obama wasn’t as aggressively pro-labor, never tried to cancel student debt, and it’s pretty well-known that he only came around to supporting same-sex marriage because Biden persuaded him.
I have my own reasons for not liking Obama, but I have many, many reasons why I absolutely hate Joe Biden.
Even if it means Trump wins, I'm not voting for someone I fucking hate.
If the Democrats want my vote, they need to actually give me something to vote FOR.
I honestly hate Biden more than I hate Trump.
It's like choosing between voting for Adolf Hitler and Adolf Eichmann.
Hitler is the guy who made the fiery speeches that fired up the nation.
Eichmann was the silent and boring bureaucrat who actually masterminded the Holocaust.
Trump makes racist speeches.
Joe Biden literally wrote the legislation that is responsible for the murder, incarceration, and utter and complete destruction of more black and brown lives in this country that any dumb speech made by Trump.
@MisuseCase and you evidently will forgive rape and genocide.
So there is that.
Roughly, a little less than 25 percent of the country vote for either the Democratic or Republican president in the elections. Every four years, more than 50 percent vote 3rd party or don't vote at all because we know neither party is concerned about the interests of marginalized communities or the poor.
Demand your party produce a candidate we actually WANT to vote for, and stop threatening us with Trump.
If you can't get your party to nominate someone who actually wants to help struggling Americans, then you deserve another four years of Trump.
@davidhmccoy@StillIRise1963@binaryphile The GD spokesperson for a failed coup attempt and he's the leading Republican candidate for president. And it's not close. Smh.
@dbc3@davidhmccoy@StillIRise1963@binaryphile May not be surprising but it should be alarming. An increasing percentage of Americans are in favor of the candidate who wants to essentially end democracy as we know it. That's fucking terrifying
@Callalily@StillIRise1963 Like someone said in the thread, given the ages of Biden and Trump, vote for the Vice President you want.
Makes it pretty easy. I love seeing Harris make the GOP sweat.
@Callalily@StillIRise1963
Yes! You're not looking for a spouse when you vote for POTUS. They aren't going to be "the one"
You're not picking a new best friend, who you want to have a beer with.
And you're not picking a TV channel. They're not supposed to be entertaining.
You're picking the person with the expertise, judgement and policies that you're most aligned with - and you're giving them ENORMOUS power of life and death.
@WJBL@TCatInReality@Callalily@StillIRise1963
Yes, absolutely vote in a way that prevents Republicans from winning elections and that almost always means voting for Democrats. 100%
But can we do away with the pretense that this has gotten us any closer to finally turning some corner that Democrats have been promising we'll get to any day now? It's been decades of this exact same messaging. Let's just be honest about it - if it's a chess move, then it's playing for a stalemate, not to win.
The more power Dems get (or any party), the more big money jumps in and starts to call the shots. After Clinton and Obama, plenty of corp influence in the party
So we must not only beat the GOP, but also claw back power within the Dems. Fight to get more progressive Dems.
If the choice is stalemate or lose, stalemate is the way to go. The good news is that it’s not a bounded game like chess… a ‘stalemate for now’ can become a win if circumstances change, and you can play a part in changing those circumstances.
@WJBL@TCatInReality@Callalily@StillIRise1963 “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results”. Voting democratic has moved us further right. Vote Progressive not for a utopia but for a better world….
@StillIRise1963 the doubt between eating a dish that might not be your favorite but it's still nicely cooked or a f***** raw turd on your plate. Truly a hard question... 🤪
Sorry for the language BUT COME ON AMERICA, WHAT'S THE DOUBT!?
@StillIRise1963 so some people are truly saying "can't vote for the chicken with rice, fed up of eating that, so bland. If the majority goes for the turd, so be it, let's eat turd"!?
There are never perfect candidates, voting is not an endorsement of every single policy of one candidate, it's really childish to act like "I can only vote for a perfect match with all my ideals and ideas, if on this one very specific policy there's a disagreement then I'll be neutral between this candidate and the one that wants to destroy democracy and start a civil war if needed".
We see this crap in history books and think we're getting above it, then learn we are just more pages in a future history book in which folk reading are going to react, "what the actual hell? Why was that allowed to happen?"
@CStamp Yep. We're all still those people we've read about. It looks different, different names are used, but it's fundamentally the same structure.@benjamin
@CStamp@StillIRise1963 I forgot who said it, but there was a quote from someone who said we essentially ignore history, then when it repeats, we act like it’s new.
America is number 1 in ignoring mistakes of the past.
@StillIRise1963
As someone who will never vote for a Republican and who will certainly vote for Biden over Trump, let me say that you're not helping the cause by heaping undeserved praise on a right wing Democrat. Stick to the unvarnished facts and avoid angering people who are already on your side.
Heather McGhee writes in "The Sum of Us" how willing bigots are to stab themselves in the eye, as long as they get to hurt the target of their bigotry too.
My wife and I were discussing the trolley problem recently, and we noted that many have no experience with trolleys outside of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood.
I view voting (in the USA) as a good example of the binary choice presented in the classical trolley problem.
Do nothing
1a. Don't vote
1b. Vote third party
1c. Vote Republican
Act. Vote Democrat
Do nothing and democracy will fall. Act and you might feel partially responsible for shitty Dem actions.
@StillIRise1963 Biden literally wrote the legislation that specifically targeted black people and led to the mass murder and incarceration of black people in this country.
We shouldn't have to vote for either of those two racist assholes.
But then, that's why, in EVERY SINGLE ELECTION, between the Democratic candidate and the Republican candidate, half the country votes for "none of the above."
No one is voting FOR Biden, they're voting AGAINST Trump.
Neither party is giving us something to vote FOR.
As a sexual assault survivor I refuse on principle to vote for a rapist.
So I refuse to vote for either of those two motherfuckers.
@CosmicTrigger hey have you seen Cornel West's platform? If you're not voting for either of the right-wing candidates, that doesn't mean you're out of options
I will vote for a Democratic candidate if it's not the racist Dixiecrat who supported segregation and is close pals with white supremacists and KKK members, wants to abolish social security and medicare, heaps praise on Dubya Bush, and is currently helping Israel carry out a literal genocide.
Be nice if the Democrats would run a "help out marginalized communities" candidate instead of a "carry out an ethnic cleansing candidate."
To date, Biden's crime bill has killed more black people and destroyed more blacks lives than the lives destroyed by the ongoing genocide in Palestine, but sure, he's the better candidate than the guy who says mean things.
I wish the DNC would convince him to step down. I'm not a huge fan of Kamala Harris, but I would vote for her.
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