timrichards, to NewZealand
@timrichards@aus.social avatar

I wonder if the attitude of the reactionary new NZ government is a repercussion of the Voice referendum loss here. Has perhaps emboldened those wanting to ignore First Nations people.

Maori protests: Thousands march in NZ cities against plans to wind back Maori gains

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/thousands-march-against-policies-that-could-wind-back-maori-gains-20231205-p5ep1x.html

MaxG, to auspol
@MaxG@theblower.au avatar

'The No movement was a precision-executed sham — bankrolled by the super-rich. The “elite” of the “elite”.' https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/white-mans-dark-money-meet-the-no-campaign-bankrollers,18043

DropBear, to auspol
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

Something like this might address the abysmal ignorance exposed by the referendum. Cropped from an image posted on Xitter by @cathywilcox

EndemicEarthling, to queensland
@EndemicEarthling@todon.eu avatar

In May, the #Queensland Liberal-National opposition provided bipartisan support for legislation establishing a 3-4 year #TruthTelling process, as a necessary precursor to the (extremely belated) negotiation of a treaty or #treaties with Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander peoples. And they did so in response to the #UluruStatementFromTheHeart (that had called for #Voice, #Treaty and #Truth).

At the time, opposition leader #DavidCrisafulli had personally encouraged people in his state to "embrace this [truth-telling] wholeheartedly". On the day the legislation passed, he said: "I believe in truth-telling and to me that means telling it like it is. […] We cannot shy away from the real experiences of #Indigenous Australians throughout history. We must tell the truth about the real challenges they are facing today."

But now, five months later yet before any of the formal processes of truth-telling have begun, he's withdrawn #LNP support for the legislation, promising to tear it up should his party be voted into government at the next election.

He claims he is doing so because he is listening—to the voices of the 'No' voters, who outnumbered the 'Yes' voters at last Saturday's #referendum.

1/3

#Auspol #Qldpol #Coalition

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/19/queensland-treaty-qld-premier-annastacia-palaszczuk-lnp-backflip-indigenous-first-nations-truth-telling

EndemicEarthling,
@EndemicEarthling@todon.eu avatar

In response, Premier has said that the process of truth-telling and treaty negotiation won't be pursued without support.

So, what lessons might be drawn from this development?

  1. If voters say they don't want their government to listen to the voice of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, then voters are probably also saying they don't want to hear the truth themselves.

  2. Supporters of the Statement from the Heart who advocated for before or often did so explicitly on the assumption that Treaty would be the hardest, and so it is better to start with the 'easier' ask of a in order to build momentum. Yet in Queensland, the failure of this 'easier' step at a federal level now means the process of truth-telling (which had been moving forward and could have helped build lasting community consensus) has been thoroughly derailed.

  3. Ironically, the Voice referendum was defeated via the noise created by the various 'voices to parliament' that have been long established for rich corporate colonisers (Murdoch press, Minerals Council, Macquarie Bank, etc.). So now that its been confirmed that these old voices remain supreme, is just tidying up leftover mess.

2/3

DropBear, to auspol
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar
DropBear, to auspol
@DropBear@theblower.au avatar

Australia should do something similar to what the EU has done. It's too late for the but we might save future elections.

"Last week, the European Union told TikTok, Meta (which encompasses Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp and Threads) and X (formerly Twitter) to remove misinformation and disinformation from their platforms as the issue reached boiling point with the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Failure to comply could result in hefty fines of up to 6 per cent of a company’s global revenue, or a potential ban of the service, under the newly established EU Digital Services Act."
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/2023/10/16/tiktok-misinformation-moderation-eu/

timrichards, to auspol
@timrichards@aus.social avatar

I suspect that's the last constitutional referendum I'll vote on in my lifetime (and possibly ever). I've voted on six questions in referendums in 1988, 1999 and 2023, and not a single proposal got up. It's not easy.

Voice referendum results: Australia the ultimate loser

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-failure-in-slow-motion-albanese-showed-great-courage-but-poor-judgment-20231010-p5eb5t.html

sjbone, to auspol
@sjbone@aus.social avatar

Jacinta Price is damn phony and I knew it from the start.
Post her referendum wrecking mission she is now calling on the Parliament to conduct an ‘audit’ into spending on Aboriginal & Torres Straight Islander peoples.
Ironically this ‘was’ one of the tasks set aside for the Voice committee to do - but of course Price opposed the Voice didn’t she.
Honestly the LNP think Australians are mugs

Godfrey642, to auspol
@Godfrey642@aus.social avatar

In Australia's Parliament this afternoon (16th Oct) there was a debate around The Water Trigger. The Bill needs to pass bc it is urgently needed to ensure that gas fracking projects don't harm local water resources and the local environment.

In NT two projects are in the final stages of authorisation. Both will poison water in the local communities.

As things stand, Dr Sophie Scamps and Zali Steggall argued boldly that NO Australian citizen should go without safe drinking water because of Fossil Fuel industrial projects. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-16/water-trigger-bill-to-close-fracking-loophole-introduced/102982456

Precisely.
Go without water ?
In Australia 2023 ???

Saturday's referendum NO-voters need to realise that the referendum wasnt about division, bc Australia has division and inequality ALREADY .

How about some fracking in Dutton's seat?? God forbid !!!! His supporters would demand a and rightly so.

How many Australians really KNOW anything about First Nations' hardships or how the machinery of White Australia racism really works?

Truth is, like all other globally, they are in the way of the colonising overlords who want to seize land and resources for their own use.

And historically those overlords just needed to "wipe out" those indigenous ppls by any means possible: massacres, displacement, theft, siege, exploitation, disease, death, imprisonment...

The way Australia's First Nations are being treated nowadays is nothing new. They are unheard and invisible and 60% of voters are just fine with that.



chrisbloom, to auspol
mojo, to NewZealand
@mojo@aus.social avatar

is looking across the ditch to and I think many at least Pakeha New Zealanders [New Zealanders of European descent] are probably puzzled that what is in their eyes such a modest proposal is struggling to win sufficient votes.
From 1867, people were granted seats in parliament and electorates where only Māori people could contest and vote.
#boganNation

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-67076216

jaystephens, to random
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bastardsheep, to auspol
@bastardsheep@aus.social avatar

"Australia now occupies a unique position globally. It is the only colonial settler society in the world that not only does not recognise in any way those dispossessed by colonialism, but whose citizens have actively rejected any such recognition.

In doing so, Australians have turned their backs on historical fact."

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/10/16/voice-to-parliament-colonisation-first-nations-peoples/

bastardsheep, to auspol
@bastardsheep@aus.social avatar

HAHAHAHA BECAUSE OF COURSE HE HAS!

Anyone who didn't see this coming is just willingly ignorant.

Peter Dutton has walked back his promise about constitutional recognition of First Nations people.

Anyone who sided with Dutton expecting a different type of progressive action towards Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people is nothing but a complete and utter buffoon.

If you wanted progressive action, you should have voted YES.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2023/oct/16/australia-politics-live-peter-dutton-anthony-albanese-question-time-parliament-indigenous-voice

timrichards, (edited ) to auspol
@timrichards@aus.social avatar

I think this is the very last thing I'll share about the Voice referendum - but it's an interesting one.

This statistical analysis shows the results were very similar to the 1999 republic referendum: re regions, wealth, education, etc. Even the same electorates at the top & bottom of the Yes votes! Shows how hard it is to shift some people to a Yes vote, no matter what the question.

I suspect there are are two basic starting problems with any constitutional referendum:

a) Whatever the referendum is about, it can be characterised as "ignoring real issues";
b) There's a big chunk of people who deeply resent having to engage with politics, so forcing them to the polls outside an election will inevitably irritate them.

And that's before you even get to arguing the question! [sigh]

Beyond No, here’s what we know about the Voice results - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-15/voice-results-explained-map/102978520

Godfrey642,
@Godfrey642@aus.social avatar

@timrichards
Go here to the Victorian Curriculum website: https://victoriancurriculum.vcaa.vic.edu.au/overview/cross-curriculum-priorities
The first paragragh has a link to mandated curriculum for learning about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture. (Level 1 = Grade 1 and Level 9/10 is broadly Years 9/10)

It's all there: Language Arts Civics Technology History.. TEN PAGES of curriculum. Every blue interactive link takes you to teaching materials, organisations and suggestions.

Not mandated in private schools of course.
And frankly a disaster in the hands of a NO voting Principal or teacher who won't ensure its taught.

timrichards, to auspol
@timrichards@aus.social avatar

I found these thoughts from Sean Kelly heartening, amid the disappointment of the referendum result:

"Not all the news is bad. Tens of thousands volunteered for Yes. Four in 10 Australians voted Yes. As Dean Parkin, of the Quandamooka peoples, said on Saturday, this was not a swing of any sort – the proposal started with zero votes. This is “the creation of a base”. Some good change has come; now it must continue. Those who are serious about a decent media must keep Indigenous stories in the news. And the prime minister must find another way of delivering what he promised: listening and acting."

Voice referendum results: If we deny the role of racism, we are a country that doesn’t know itself

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/if-we-deny-the-role-of-racism-in-this-referendum-we-don-t-know-ourselves-20231013-p5ec4k.html

EndemicEarthling, to auspol
@EndemicEarthling@todon.eu avatar

Anyone in these lands now called Australia who is shocked at the outcome of the referendum, saying "this isn't the Australia I thought I knew", might well have been in favour of listening to the voices of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, but clearly wasn't actually already listening to those voices speaking about their experiences.

That a large proportion of Australian voters were all too readily mobilised by racist dogwhistles & disinformation came as a surprise to precisely zero Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people I know.

To illustrate this: did you know, in the most recent three year period for which there is (self-reported) data, 45% of all 'use of force' incidents by were directed towards a First Nations person? If you're part of the 3.4% of NSW who are Indigenous I doubt this is particularly news for you. If you're not, were you aware of this? And remember that the (chronically/strategically underfunded) police watchdog LECC admits that even this data is incomplete, meaning the true figure may well be higher.

A suggestion for non-Indigenous folk who voted Yes in the failed - even if the government might not be constitutionally required to listen, maybe consider how you can.

afrofeminas, to australia
@afrofeminas@federated.press avatar

Los votantes australianos rechazan en referéndum reconocer la voz aborigen en el Parlamento
Los australianos votaron no a la propuesta "Voice to Parliament" que pretendía dar una voz al pueblo aborigen en el Parlamento. Un nuevo retroceso.
https://afrofeminas.com/2023/10/15/los-votantes-australianos-rechazan-en-referendum-reconocer-la-voz-aborigen-en-el-parlamento/

EndemicEarthling, to southafrica
@EndemicEarthling@todon.eu avatar

Just a few years ago then Immigration Minister was very keen to welcome white farmers from as potential to Australia, (despite the alleged threat they faced being more or less a complete beat-up).

But when are being slaughtered by the thousands in collective punishment for the of , Dutton instead calls for Foreign Minister to be sacked due to her briefly advocating (in a very minimal manner) for the restraint of violence against non-combatants in adherence with .

I know pointing out blatant hypocrisy and from Dutton is hardly ground-breaking material, but it really does need to be repeated, because too many people still refuse to see it, despite months of his fear-mongering and over an . In the footsteps of , Dutton is continually testing the waters of increasingly hateful rhetoric as a way of ensuring media attention, and has not yet discovered a line that will cause a sufficiently large chunk of voters to desert him.

sjbone, to auspol
@sjbone@aus.social avatar

There is a leaked txt message from a Liberal MP that confirms the strategy of Dutton and the coalition was to totally annihilate the referendum to advance his own political objectives and enable the LNP to gain a strong starting position for the next election.
They see the resounding No result as a proxy for their support among voters.
Dutton was willing to crush Indigenous people in order to gain political advantage - a low act from this dog

BinChicken, to auspol
@BinChicken@rants.au avatar

A STATEMENT FROM INDIGENOUS AUSTRALIANS WHO SUPPORTED THE VOICE REFERENDUM

A Week of Silence for the Voice

This statement comes from Rachel Perkins, respected Arrernte & Kalkadoon woman, and co-chair of Yes23.

https://www.instagram.com/rachelperkinsau/

https://www.yes23.com.au/

To the Australians who supported us in this vote - we thank you sincerely. You comprise many millions of Australians of love and goodwill. We know you wanted a better future for Australia, and to put the colonial past behind us by choosing belated recognition and justice. We thank the Prime Minister and his government for having the conviction to take this referendum to the Australian people at our request. We thank him for his advocacy and all parliamentarians who did the same, including members of the Teals, Greens, Nationals and independents who stood by us. We pay particular respect to the Liberal parliamentarians who bravely advocated for the voice. We also thank our fellow Australians from all sectors of the community, including multicultural, faith, professional, business, creative and sporting organisations. To the hundreds of thousands who took to the streets, knocked on doors and made over a million phone calls, thank you for your love and support.
Our deep chagrin at this result does not in any way diminish our pride and gratefulness for the stand they had the moral courage to take in this cause now lost. We know we have them by our side in the ongoing cause for justice and fairness in our own land. Now is not the time to dissect the reasons for this tragic outcome. This will be done in the weeks, years and decades to come. Now is the time for silence, to mourn and deeply consider the consequence of this outcome. Much will be asked about the role of racism and prejudice against Indigenous people in this result. The only thing we ask is that each and every Australian who voted in this election reflect hard on this question. To our people we say: do not shed tears. This rejection was never for others to issue. The truth is that rejection was always ours to determine. The truth is that we offered this recognition and it has been refused. We now know where we stand in this our own country. Always was. Always will be.
We will not rest long. Pack up the Uluru Statement from the Heart. Fly our flags low. Talk not of recognition and reconciliation. Only of justice and the rights of our people in our own country. Things that no one else can gift us, but to which we are entitled by fact that this is the country of our birth and inheritance. Re-gather our strength and resolve, and when we determine a new direction for justice and our rights, let us once again unite. Let us convene in due course to carefully consider our path forward. We are calling A Week of Silence from tonight (Saturday 14th October) to grieve this outcome and reflect on its meaning and significance. We will not be commenting further on the result at this time. We will be lowering our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags to half-mast for the week of silence to acknowledge this result. We ask others to do the same. 14 October 2023

BinChicken, to auspol
@BinChicken@rants.au avatar

Beyond No, here’s what we know about the Voice results
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-15/voice-results-explained-map/102978520

This article has some interesting data visualisations that show how people voted in the Referendum. These factors stand-out strongly:

  • City vs rural
  • Educational level
  • Age
  • Income

Curiously, the societal divisions on these maps are that same as last time there was a referendum, nearly a generation ago.

liampomfret, (edited ) to random
@liampomfret@mastodon.social avatar

At this point, I can’t help but feel like blaming the Yes campaign for the referendum result is akin to victim blaming.

To my mind, any blame should rest in the lies and misinformation peddling from the No campaign, in the media who generally superbly ineffective in their journalistic duty of combating the lies, and in particular with those in the media who were complicit in facilitating the spread of lies and misinformation.

Person, to auspol
@Person@aus.social avatar

Lots of people are understandably sad and deflated about the referendum result. But now is not the time to stop fighting. Even if the voice had succeeded it would have only been a small & largely symbolic step in the fight to decolonise Australia. Now is the time to get activated and continue the fight to decolonise "Australia", to get land back to traditional owners, to end deaths in custody and to get back sovreignty.

So if there is a rally go to it. Talk to your co workers, friends and family about this stuff. If you have a union convince your fellow members to lend a hand in this fight.

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