mysk, to iOS
@mysk@mastodon.social avatar

Example of PWA disruption in the EU:

Magenta Musik is an entertainment service -part of the German telecom company - offering information about concerts and festivals. In 2022, Magenta Musik shut down their native apps on both and and replaced them with a single Progressive Web App (PWA).

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1/4

https://www.magentamusik.de/faq-neue-bei-magentamusik

mysk,
@mysk@mastodon.social avatar

2/4

They have invested two years in their PWA app. Now the service is telling customers in the FAQ that PWAs won't work in iOS 17.4. The information is short and confusing. It doesn't tell iPhone customers what other alternatives they have, leaving them lost in a cycle of confusion. This is because Magenta Musik themselves don't even know what to do. This confusion is caused by .

callionica, to random
@callionica@mastodon.social avatar
  1. Apple disabled Homescreen web apps in iOS 17.4 beta in the EU (breaking functionality and making user data inaccessible)
  2. Apple claimed the breakage was prompted by the , the European regulation promoting fair business in digital goods and services
  3. Apple reversed course after public outcry, reenabling Homescreen web apps in Europe which continue to run in , Safari’s browser engine

https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/02/apple_reverses_pwa_decision/

callionica,
@callionica@mastodon.social avatar
  1. Homescreen web apps are implicated in two sets of requirements: the ones that apply to and the ones that apply to the .

It’s not possible to understand the situation and the legality of Apple’s responses to the DMA in regard to Homescreen web apps without looking at both sets of requirements.

CC: @owa

callionica,
@callionica@mastodon.social avatar
  1. The Financial Times got a quote from an EU spokesperson that the DMA neither required nor justified removal of Homescreen web apps () in Europe.
  2. It remains to be seen whether requiring Homescreen web apps to run only in WebKit is compliant with the .
tomayac, to random
@tomayac@toot.cafe avatar

Hope this is a bug in the beta, but opening previously installed Home Screen Web apps on iOS 17.4 (21E5184i) results in a prompt:

Open “Example app” in Safari. “Example app” will open in your default browser from now on.

Newly installed apps always open in the browser. There doesn’t appear to be a standalone mode anymore.

Reported as FB13567834.

callionica,
@callionica@mastodon.social avatar

@tomayac @owa I understand that any local data that was stored in the home screened web app is lost too.

https://indieweb.social/@artmllr/111954598854639684

tixie, to random
@tixie@guerilla.studio avatar

AAAAAND WE ARE BAAAACK BABY !!!

amxmln, to apple
@amxmln@mastodon.design avatar

While I cannot overstate how happy I am that #Apple backed down and will continue to allow #PWA on #iOS in the EU, I don’t trust this peace. 🤔 Somehow it feels like they merely moved the phase-out to iOS 18. Let’s hope that won’t happen. 😅

For now a lot of motivation to work on my apps returned and hey—seems like my iPhone won’t turn into an expensive paper weight once 17.4 drops. 😉😅

kaiserkiwi, to iOS
@kaiserkiwi@corteximplant.com avatar

17.4 is out now for a few days. Any stuff that makes ​s less useful? Or am I safe to update?

kaiserkiwi, to apple
@kaiserkiwi@corteximplant.com avatar

Nice! Web Apps are here to stay! iOS 17.4 will still support them. I'm really glad Apple came to this decision as it would break my whole workflow and would make two of my web apps less nice.

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/01/apple-home-screen-web-apps-ios-17-eu/

m0bi13, (edited ) to apple Polish
@m0bi13@pol.social avatar

Ciąg dalszy akcji Apple z PWA, czyli aplikacjami webowymi, których nie musisz instalować przez sklep:

  1. Jednak przywrócą, ale:
  2. Tylko w browserach na WebKit.

Czyli wprowadzili kozę, że nikt nie będzie miał, i wyprowadzili kozę, że WebKit/Safari będzie mieć.

Nikt już nie pamięta, że oczekiwane przez prawo UE miało być zarówno dopuszczenie innych niż WebKit silników renderujących, jak i dopuszczenie innych browserów do PWA.

Apple chce utrzymać monopol sklepu za wszelką cenę. Tu nie chodzi o technologię, a o marketing.

#PWA #Apple

P.S. Nie daję linka do źródła, bo powiela idiotyczne tezy i ściemę Apple. Ale fakty są takie, jakie są. PWA jako apka z ikoną i powiadomieniami TYLKO na Safari/WebKit...

tomayac, to iOS
@tomayac@toot.cafe avatar

📢 Apple takes back the changes to Home Screen Web Apps in the European Union 🇪🇺: “We have received requests to continue to offer support for Home Screen web apps in iOS, therefore we will continue to offer the existing Home Screen web apps capability in the EU.” https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/

tomayac, to apple
@tomayac@toot.cafe avatar

Why don't users in the EU have access to Home Screen web apps?

[…] EU users will be able to continue accessing websites directly from their Home Screen through a bookmark with minimal impact to their functionality. We expect this change to affect a small number of users. Still, we regret any impact this change — that was made as part of the work to comply with the DMA — may have on developers of Home Screen web apps and our users.

https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu#dev-qa

🙄

niutech,
@niutech@fosstodon.org avatar

@tomayac What do you think of this workaround to bring back support in 3rd party browsers on in the EU?

croc, to webdev
@croc@mastodon.social avatar

Made an update to my little link extractor utility PWA, LinkMod. Now it optionally extracts links to internal pages if a root domain is provided.

Here's a brief demo video demonstrating a valid use of LinkMod's new internal pages feature:
https://croc.buzz/v/MWfBGx

PWA Link:
https://linkmod.croc.io

amxmln, to apple
@amxmln@mastodon.design avatar

Funny how seems to get away with using the anti-gatekeeping laws of the to actually do more gatekeeping on their platform. 😒

iamdtms, to apple
@iamdtms@mas.to avatar

Update on apps distributed in the European Union
https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/

flameeyes, to chrome
@flameeyes@mastodon.social avatar

One thing that annoys me in the implementation of is that while the PWA can have a share intent (which is used by Android to be able to share something onto the app), there's nothing in Chrome that consumes that.

I can't just right click on a link I want to share and have it open in Mastodon or share to my Tagger. Only extensions are added there, so I get Google Drive and Wallabag only :/

mysk, to iOS
@mysk@mastodon.social avatar

EU businesses are busy preparing their customers to deal with broken in 17.4.

"Therefore, our clear recommendation is to perform tests with the Beta version of iOS 17.4"

In fact, developers outside the can't test.

@cyclingfisch

https://community.neptune-software.com/topics/news/blogs/p-w-as-on-i-phones-within-the--e-u---our-findings-and-r

schizanon, (edited ) to iOS

's recent changes to () functionality in , specifically in the , has sparked outrage among . The company's late acknowledgment of intentionally limiting PWA capabilities, presented as compliance with the EU's , has been criticized as deceitful. This move, seen as an attempt to protect its , undermines open and harms and users.

https://infrequently.org/2024/02/home-screen-advantage/

mariani1, to apple

operates with much smaller teams than you think. Productive engineers plus focusing on the right features lets them deliver products that are competitive in the real world against much bigger teams.

Apple will also (almost?) never admit that they didn’t do something because the teams didn’t have enough time. Marketing wants to preserve the magic smoke.

So the decision is actually not that hard to imagine as an ex-insider.

kkoyung, to apple
@kkoyung@mastodon.social avatar

Killing web app support is a terrible idea. It definitely hurts the openness of app distribution on the Internet.

https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/apple-on-course-to-break-all-web-apps-in-eu-within-20-days/

ajussak, to web French
@ajussak@piaille.fr avatar

Change your mind

amxmln, to apple
@amxmln@mastodon.design avatar

I know I’ve been going on about this (and boosting related things) quite a bit over the past few days, but this is a topic that is very near and dear to me.

is obliterating in the EU with the update to 17.4, which will be out soon. A third of the apps on my Home Screen are PWAs, all the apps I’ve built in recent years are PWAs. They are a vital part of free and independent app distribution on all platforms.

Please sign this open letter: https://letter.open-web-advocacy.org

jetztdochau, to apple German
@jetztdochau@bahn.social avatar

Apple vs. DMA: EU prüft Deaktivierung von Progressive Web Apps in iOS 17.4

https://www.computerbase.de/2024-02/apple-vs-dma-eu-prueft-deaktivierung-von-progressive-web-apps-in-ios-17-4/

> Mit iOS 17.4 plant Progressive Web Apps () aus dem iPhone-Betriebssystem zu streichen, das ruft nun die EU auf den Plan.

schizanon, (edited ) to apple
caiocgo, (edited ) to linux

it has been almost a year since I have returned to using And it was only today (in fact a few minutes ago) that I have discoveried I can run websites as apps in using without any plugins.
I must say I have drank one can of beer since I came home from work but still, I am mesmerized about this.
Of course one can choose the browser they use for this.
This is really awesome.
Linux is awesome.

gnomelibre,
@gnomelibre@mamot.fr avatar

@caiocgo

Wasn't the possibility of installing abandoned by a few years ago? 🤔

https://www.fastcompany.com/90597411/mozilla-firefox-no-ssb-pwa-support

tixie, to random
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