Okay #Fediverse, let’s get something straight. We are all grown ups here (hopefully) and can make choices for ourselves. We alive in a society that allows us the freedom to choose for ourselves what to do.
Why would you allow or want to be part of an instance where they choose for you who or what to block? I understand that there are BAD people on #Meta, just as there are on EVERY platform on the internet.
Give the regular people on each platform a chance to been seen.
@kylewritescode Or. Don't. It is a choice after all. I will likely federate my two-user instance with Threads if its OK with my compatriot... but also, if people choose not to. Good! It's a free world, or at least it should be. People on Threads don't have any inherent right to see or be seen. They are at the whim of their platform, we are not.
@kylewritescode Semantics. The answer to the question "Why would you allow or want to be part of an instance where they choose for you who or what to block?" is the same answer as to the question "Why have moderators?"
Something tells me you're still confused about why we have moderators, though.
I'm also skeptical that you can explain clearly what issue gets swept under the rug if multiple instances don't federate with Mark Zuckerberg's platform. Please prove my skepticism unfounded.
@SallyStrange I understand why we have moderators...I have been a moderator for years. Moderate a Discord server, etc. What I am saying is...sit down and follow along now, that if we just sit back going around blocking entire instances, etc. What is the point of moderating at all? We are just stopping stuff at the top level?
Now I understand that some users wouldn't want to start with housekeeping (blocking their own), but keeping accounts that aren't bad from being seen is DUMB.
Gosh, if your case is so airtight and common sensical, why the need for condescension?
"I understand that some users wouldn't want to start with housekeeping (blocking their own)"
That's why we have moderators! Good job. Some people don't WANT to be responsible for sorting the good from the bad when amongst "the bad" are accounts like Libs of Tik Tok which can severely disrupt a person's life, at minimum.
"keeping accounts that aren't bad from being seen is DUMB"
If they're really not that bad then let them open an account on a non-corporate platform that doesn't also host literal Nazis!
@SallyStrange@kylewritescode I think I need to disagree with you. I don’t think it’s fair to expect the average meta user to jump into mastodon (or other fedi). It’s our job to educate people and show viable alternatives. If we block threads outright, we are no longer an alternative and the incentive to jump ship disappears completely.
I don’t think blocking an entire platform is an effective form of moderation, and is in fact harmful for the reason mentioned.
I have been waiting years for something like this to happen. There are very interesting accounts on X and Meta I would love to interact with, but don’t want to create accounts in those platforms.
@moose@kylewritescode And that's fine for you, but let me ask: do you live in constant fear that someone like Libs of Tik Tok will find your social media, connect it to your IRL name, and try to get you fired?
@moose@kylewritescode you don't know what Libs of Tik Tok is? Then you are missing a great deal of context as to why some people regard the presence of Threads on the fediverse as an unacceptable threat
isn’t it up to the individual users to decide who can see their content and who can follow them and who they follow?
much of mastodon is open to the public ALREADY so how does this increase the existing risk given my points from 1?
I’m happy to understand other people’s point of view, but it almost seems irrational to think this will be a net negative to the ecosystem. I think there are enough protections in place.
Yes, and it's also up to admins to block entire instances when appropriate. My admins exercise this ability often and it improves my experience on the Fediverse. There's a whole universe of nazi instances out there. I assume they will federate with Threads...
I can't quantify exactly how much my risk of being exposed for being queer is increased by Chaya Raichik theoretically being able to directly interact with my posts. Do you need a number to accept that it's a risk I don't want to take?
Overall I am not concerned with "the ecosystem." I think it will probably be fine either way, but that federation with Facebook products increases the chances of commercialization killing the ecosystem. I don't see how not having what's already not here counts as "damage."
Your perception of protections being in place is different from other people, and my main point is that those calling Fedipact signers, essentially, big babies who want mommy and daddy to block everything for them, are basically being assholes to the more vulnerable amongst us. Bigots at worst.
@SallyStrange@moose I was never calling people names or whiners. I totally get the understanding behind the targeting because of one’s personal beliefs, ways of life, vulnerabilities, etc. Taking those into consideration is most important for sure.
All I was saying is that, each one of us has the freedom of making our own choice. Just because we have differences of options doesn’t make us any more right or wrong. We just see things differently. Appreciate your input.
@kylewritescode@SallyStrange If an instance wants to block meta, it will draw people who don't want to deal with things like harassment from trolls on meta. I know people who don't want the abuse. As a white dude I don't face the same abuse levels so will be on a federated site with meta but I judge no one who takes an undue level of abuse just because of their demographics
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