Since 2022 it has been implied multiple times by the openSUSE Development, that openSUSE Leap was being discontinued. Then they said it wasn't being discontinued, but replaced. Once more, they said it wasn't being replaced, simply changed. Now lastly, they're saying it may remain, but either in 1 of 3 forms
Ever watch a TV network kill off a good TV show, because the new executive does not like it, but the fans keep hanging on?
openSUSE has plenty of contributors, both from the community and from SUSE.
18 years, since October 2005, openSUSE has been going strong. The divided between Tumbleweed and Leap has continued for 8 of those years (since 2015).
Then you come along and claim the sky is falling (metaphorically speaking), by adding so much uncertainty and doubt, without actually doing anything for nearly 2 years.
@Conan_Kudo@sysrich@vwbusguy Well, I'm not sure which docs you found, but most of our docs are on a wiki, so you can edit them, and save the next guy the headache, if you wish =]
@gnuplusmatt@adamw@Defolos@carlwgeorge Outside of needing certifications and everything that implies, CentOS Stream should suffice as an LTS distribution for the vast majority of users. And most people would prefer updates to be released as soon as they're qualified, rather than waiting for a minor version boundary that's potentially six months away. That particular quirk of Enterprise Linux is the result of needing to qualify stuff for certifications and other things.
@jzb@jwildeboer@bookwar@Conan_Kudo I didn't expect "ELevate works too well" to be a factor behind this, especially when you can also use it to upgrade RHEL, IIRC. I definitely had better luck with Alma's tool than leapp directly from Red Hat.
@vwbusguy you're not supposed to know how to do that, is sekrit.
All kidding aside though, you're not wrong, I've been in the openSUSE/OpenBuildService ecosystem for years, and I'd be lying if I said I had a good handle on it.
@Terminhell I work as a part-time system administrator and have dealings with a few companies that use SUSE Enterprise Linux.
Trust me, this isn't how things are done elsewhere.
I have full communication with members of the Debian and Ubuntu development teams and support staff (Ubuntu pro). I am a guest client with SUSE Enterprise, too, and the way openSUSE at the moment is being conducted is just... Insane (in my opinion).
@vwbusguy@johanneskastl@sfalken There will be no SLES 16 and #ALP will definitely offer a non-transactional variant as well. Whichever will become the default, will probably be a source of much bike-shedding in the months to come 😉
So I recently ran across this post and thread by @vwbusguy, and I would like to try to address some of the questions/misconceptions/etc that come up in the thread.
If you have questions, please, ask. What we do with #Kalpa isn't identical to what #Fedora does with their #AtomicDesktops, but many of the concepts for the end user are going to be similar/the same.
I wish #SUSE/#openSUSE would just enable #dnf out of box for non-transactional variants. #zypper is comparatively slower/clunky and there's not a clearly unsolveable issue with their mutual co-existence. #Linux
@vwbusguy@sfalken Yup. Rawhide as people normally get it is based on composes that go through gating and testing. Bypassing that by adding the Koji internal repo would get you the equivalent of Factory.
Should I distro hop my work (!) machine to #OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (and fight with its lack of polkit setup and "hurr durr durr just use the root password" attitude),
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Should I make a fair attempt at troubleshooting the problems I'm having with #EndeavourOS?
My login (selecting Plasma Wayland session) dumps me into an Xorg screen with 3 xterms. I then have to 'sudo systemctl restart sddm' and log in again...etc..
I think I will start a thread here as a sort of diary.
Starting at #FrOSCon, I have started to try #openSUSE on my laptop. As a #Debian Developer, I felt reluctant to try something else, and Debian is a great project.
However, as I am teaching openSUSE at Linuxhotel, I thought I should maybe get more familiar with it 🤣. Also, I had already fallen in love with #zypper.
If you are keen in following the pros and cons I discover, take a seat!
@Natureshadow Interesting. As someone who already loves OpenSUSE I'm just curious what it is about zypper that you love? Is there anything special about it? I just do zypper dup and that's pretty much it?
Still going strong. #opensuse is awesome. Still loving qtile and but I've been thinking about trying out a new WM this week. Probably won't be Wayland.
@thelinuxcast I hear ya. I sortof tried it out of necessity. I got a little bit bored with DWM, and I wanted to move onto QTile actually. But QTile and Debian based distros just do not seem to mix, as you covered in your recent video. So I figured I'm already using some Lua for neovim anyways, why not give Awesome another try