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julian, to random
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NodeBB is at this year's FediForum, and one of the breakout sessions centred around the Theadiverse, the subset of ActivityPub-enabled applications built around a topic-centric model of content representation.

Some of the topic touched upon included:

  • Aligning on a standard representation for collections of Notes
  • FEP-1b12 — Group federation and implementation thereof by Lemmy, et al.
  • Offering a comparatively more feature-rich experience vis-a-vis restrictions re: microblogging
  • Going forward: collaborating on building compatible threadiverse implementations

The main action item involved the genesis of an informal working group for the threadiverse, in order to align our disparate implementations toward a common path.

We intend to meet monthly at first, with the first meeting likely sometime early-to-mid April.

The topic of the first WG call is: Representation of the higher level collection of Notes (posts, etc.) — Article vs. Page, etc?

Interested?

  • Publicly reply to this post (NodeBB does not support non-public posts at this time) if you'd like to join the list
  • If you prefer to remain private, please email julian@nodebb.org

As an aside, I'd love to try something new and attempt to keep as much of this as I can on the social web. Can you do me a favour and boost this to your followers?

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@julian I'd be interested in hearing the discussions

Edent, to fediverse
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People rightly criticise Cryptocurrency projects for "speedrunning why we have financial regulations".

The same is also true of projects when it comes to decades of knowledge about community management and moderation.

https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/lemmy-image-problem/

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@Edent yea but with cryptocurrency, the perpetrators were actively trying to avoid the existing financial regulation. But with new social platforms, a lot of the devs and admins are new at this. They don't know about the existing body of knowledge. Part of what's driving the growth in the fediverse is that it's a new way to interact with the web for a lot of ppl

hypolite, to random

Me: Why did I stop watching Brooklyn 99? It was fun and good-hearted (despite the glorification of police).

Also me: It's only available to me on Netflix, which I canceled my subscription over the transphobic David Chappelle special.

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@hypolite

despite the glorification of police

For me, the show was never about the glorification of police, it was about what police should be.

devnull, to fediverse
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At an in-office session with the team, talking

There are some hard questions to answer, such as:

  • how to scalably introduce the concept of ACL at the post/toot level.
  • how to educate about the in a user-friendly way
  • how to solve the "empty home feed" problem
  • how do we handle compliance when federating in and out?
  • how do we improve on "newest to oldest" without introducing a corruptible algorithm?

@nodebb is all in on fedi. Let's make it work.

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@devnull @nodebb

how to scalably introduce the concept of ACL at the post/toot level.

Very interested to hear yall’s ideas on this.

how to educate about the in a user-friendly way

…and an accurate way. I think a lot of the blowups on the fediverse come from the way mastodon misrepresents the fediverse to ppl, notably that it’s privacy-focused.

how do we handle compliance when federating in and out?

I’d be interested to hear what yall come up with for this too. It seems like ActivityPub is strictly incompatible with GDPR. If a user asks to delete their data, you can comply on your server but never guarantee that it’s deleted from the network. And then there’s the permission requirement for sharing data, which seems to mean basic federation isn’t allowed without a user’s explicit permission.

0x1C3B00DA, to bluesky
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How do people against the bridge feel about https://rss-parrot.net/? I saw nothing but praise for that when it was announced a little while back, but it’s the same thing. It’s a bridge translating one protocol to another, meaning someone’s public posts could end up on a platform they didn’t opt-in to.

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@volkris Well, yeah. That’s what I’m saying. I don’t think the demands to make things opt-in make much sense because the fediverse works by allowing your posts to be fetched by any other server.

it’s not so simple

I think that is simple, but regardless, my question was simple. If you think opt-in should be the default and ppl should be able to determine where and how their posts are distributed, then isn’t rss-parrot (and the similar projects that have existed for years) just as bad as the bridgy-fed?

KevinMarks, to random
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My read of the discourse today is that there are a lot of people who no longer want a follow model, but would like to switch to a full 'friend request yes/no' model for mastodon/fedi etc. Which is there but off by default, and has the same oddness as twitters 'private' mode, where you're still seen by everyone who followed beforehand.
It's the same desired public, but minus those people use case that we all want, and why publics are hard. https://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/04/digital-publics-conversations-and.html

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@KevinMarks But they claim that’s not what they want. That’s always suggested to them, but they reject it.

gordon, to random
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bridges two permissionless protocols

“noooooo nobody asked my permission!! nooooooo!!!”

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@robin @dsalo

Anyone could expose AP streams over RSS

In fact, this has been done multiple times. There was some software release recently that did that in reverse (RSS Parot I think?). For some reason, ppl complaining about their consent didn’t have a problem with bridging that content without permission.

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@dsalo

How many fedi users understand that? Know what RSS is? If it were explained to them, how might they react?

How many fedi users understand the basics of how federation works? Not many, based on the outrage of a bridge using the same federation protocol as their own server.

That too comes down to mental model of fedi sociality, I think, though.

Yes and I think a lot of these ppl complaining about bridging have an incorrect mental model of the fediverse. It was never a private haven, unless they are using allow-list federation. They have a view of the fediverse with very discrete and defined boundaries, but the fediverse is nebulous and crosses server/protocol/mediatype/etc boundaries

@robin

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@dsalo

I reject the supremacy of code and standards over social norms. A social norm is not incorrect merely because the tech doesn’t work that way or the standard doesn’t spell it out.

You can’t claim there is a social norm that applies to everyone on the fediverse. The fediverse is not a single social group. It is a distributed collection of ppl and bots.

@robin

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@dsalo

I reject the supremacy of code and standards over social norms

Maybe you meant this abstractly, but this quote seems to imply that you think social norms hold weight in arguments about features on the fediverse. Specifically, that the idea of “requiring consent” to federate posts means bridges must be opt-in rather than opt-out.

What I’m trying to express is that there is no social norm that can apply to the fediverse because it is not a single group. Therefore, any argument that uses social norms to dictate features on the fediverse, as a whole, are wrong. I am extremely in favor of ppl having the tools to control their own data and even build social groups where norms can be used to enforce things, but I don’t think that applies in this instance.

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@robin @dsalo @boris

I also disagree with “Servers and services that expose fedi content beyond what its users understand to be usual-for-the-fedi are seeing the protests.“, but I don’t think its just about Bluesky. The same ppl mad about Bluesky are the one’s who get mad about search, quote posts, etc.

The problem is in part people’s social understanding of federation that seems to be largely imaginary.

I sorta agree with this, but I think it’s more that these ppl are ignoring federation. They don’t care how federation works as long as it gives them exactly the features they want and nothing else. And when they find servers doing something they don’t like, they get upset because they have no tools to stop it.

0x1C3B00DA, to mastodon
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We will also be publishing FEPs to ensure that this becomes a standard that can be supported by every ActivityPub implementation.

The team just can’t help reinventing features. It’s already a standard any implementation can support. They could even jump in the discussion forum and work on modifying the existing If its missing something they need.

Yes, it takes time, but we are a very small team, with only one full-time developer for the backend

It’s wild hearing the largest project on the complain about bandwidth/resources. They are, by far, the most well funded organization in the space. Maybe if they stopped ignoring every other implementation and collaborated, it would be a better utilization of their “limited” resources?

RE: https://oisaur.com/@renchap/111925462223450502

scottjenson, to opensource
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I'm working on an idea to help organize and fund leaning research. The problem? I'm rather inexperienced with how funding works in this space. Curious if anyone here could help me get the right perspective. My understanding is that there IS funding for Open Source, but it's fairly complicated and takes a lot of paperwork . The few folks I've talked to that have tried to get funding found it a bit exhausting. Are they wrong?

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@gabek @tbernard @scottjenson

But it stops it from having decent UX

I don’t think that’s true. I think @tbernard was on the right track.

Left to their own devices many developers prefer working on performance, plumbing, etc

Development and UX aren’t mutually exclusive. My whole career I’ve worked on full stack web apps with Java backends. The enterprise companies I worked for weren’t paying for designers so we developers did all the UI/UX work (though enterprise apps don’t have the best UI either) Open source generally doesn’t have good design because the devs choose not to prioritize it.

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@gabek @scottjenson @tbernard

it’s assumed that developers will contribute their time to projects because they care about them and are passionate. But it’s assumed that UX people will do it only if money is involved.

I’m not sure about this either. An open source project starts with code published with a VCS. That makes it easier for developers to contribute, but not designers who don’t know how to code. There’s literally no way for them to contribute without the devs. I think its that inherent lack of agency that prevents more designers from contributing

grunfink, to fediverse
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I'm glad to announce the release of version 2.46 of , the simple, minimalistic instance server written in C. It includes the following changes:

Added support for Peertube videos.

Mastodon API: Tweaks to support the Subway Tooter app (contributed by pswilde), added support for editing posts, fixed an error related to the edit date of a post, fixed some crashes.

Added a handshake emoji next to a user name if it's a mutual relation (follower and followed), because friendship is bliss.

Tweaked some retry timeout values for better behaviour in larger instances (thanks to me@mysmallinstance.homelinux.org for their help).

https://comam.es/what-is-snac

If you find useful, please consider buying grunfink a coffee: https://ko-fi.com/grunfink

This release has been inspired by the album Duality by .

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@grunfink

Added a handshake emoji next to a user name if it’s a mutual relation (follower and followed)

That’s a cool idea. I hope other implementations pick it up

0x1C3B00DA, to Java
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https://wedistribute.org/2024/01/sublinks-a-replacement-for-lemmy/

It’s crazy how much of the comments about on the threadiverse are mad that the author is using or just complaining that they chose to build another implementation.

Most of it seems to be users who think that , , , etc don’t exist and no other federated link aggregator should exist.

mishellbaker, to random
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One thing science fiction writers should keep in mind is that your futuristic lingo for new tech should probably be minimal. The human tendency is to not adopt new words unless we need to. What we call a "phone" now does not even remotely resemble what it did in 1970, but we still just call it a "phone." We still "film" things and "rewind" and mac keyboards say "return." It's okay not to make up new words for everything.

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@mishellbaker My 5 year old calls movies “videos” because he watched youtube videos way before we started watching movies with him.

I think one reason authors might do this is because language transition is slow and subtle. If you use a word the reader knows but to refer to something different, it may be confusing for the reader without the context. Imagine someone 100 years ago hearing someone talk about reading something on their phone.

0x1C3B00DA, to wordpress
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Just read a bit of reactions about the plugin and there seems to be a sect of ppl who find it abhorrent that posts might federate.

In their opinion, if they post “on Mastodon”, that post shouldn’t leave . They think its understandable that a post may leave their own server and federate to other mastodon servers but federating outside of that is unacceptable. (I don’t know how they think about their posts federating to non-mastodon servers, especially non-microblogging servers like Friendica, kbin, etc)

Once again, I think the problem is caused by mastodon. They market mastodon as a Twitter-alternative and hype it as the platform instead of the fediverse. Now these users don’t understand the breadth of the fediverse and are “confused” that their posts could be “leaving” mastodon.

You’re not “on Mastodon”; you’re on the fediverse. Just like someone who runs a blog isn’t on Nginx or Apache, they’re on the web.

0x1C3B00DA, to random
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Mastodon developers are trying to invent something completely different.

lol. You can say this about any/every feature that’s available on the

RE: https://mitra.social/objects/018ccbfc-6b7e-1490-086c-d41bff6efb71

0x1C3B00DA, to random
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How wild would it be if Threads supported AP C2S? It’d be pretty funny to see Meta implementing more of AP than any other fediverse project, and maybe a C2S implementation that large would convince app developers to implement support in their apps. Though, that would probably just incite more fears about a Meta EEE of the

0x1C3B00DA, to random
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I wish Threads would implement full federation already, so everybody can do what they’re going to do and we can stop talking about it.

amoroso, to fediverse
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Can you recommend PeerTube instances for publishing computing and tech videos? I mostly post screencasts about Lisp, retrocomputing, Android, and chromeOS like those on my YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/paoloamoroso

I know TILvids but they seem to have some kind of editorial control over or collaboration with creators, or otherwise require vetting for posting. And my videos are not necessarily howtos.

0x1C3B00DA,
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@amoroso https://spectra.video/ isn’t specifically for computing and tech, but it seems like it could be a good fit for your videos. It’s hosted by @deadsuperhero , the editor of @wedistribute

wedistribute, to random

, the federated social events system by Framasoft, is pulling in some big new features. It's also moving out from under the Framasoft umbrella!

https://wedistribute.org/2023/12/five-years-later-mobilizon-reaches-maturity/

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@wedistribute

Event admins can now send private announcements to attendees, allowing them to directly contact everyone that’s registered for an event

Are these announcements federated too? And are there other fediverse projects that interact with mobilizon?

liskin, to firefox
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So, advocates, how do I convince Firefox to let me use extensions from local git clones? Not just temporarily load them during development, but let me permanently use extensions from my local forks.

A browser that can't do that is unfortunately unusable for me.

(if you don't know the answer, I wouldn't mind a repeat; thx)

0x1C3B00DA,
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@zdenekj @liskin Letting a user use your software the way they want is not a security vulnerability. Put some warnings or guardrails up, if necessary, but software shouldn’t tell people they don’t get to do something because the developers know better than the user

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