I don’t feel bad for the guy, but I don’t celebrate this sort of vigilante justice, either. Prisoners should be safe from other prisoners. Prison is not meant to be torture, and recidivism is a massive problem in the United States. Chauvin will have 20 years to contemplate his crimes, and treating him and every other prisoner will only reinforce their criminal proclivities.
yup. And there is a reason why laws are written to disproportionately affect certain groups- like how crack cocaine gets more jail time than powder, or marijuana convictions…
FWIW the vast majority of prisons in the US are not corporate run (>90%), but those majority government-run prisons still provide a lot of free/cheap manufacturing labor to private companies.
The government itself is to blame, not just private prisons.
Loopholes are things intentionally built into structures with the purpose of allowing something through. I find it weird so many people think loopholes aren’t something intentional.
I’m having a lot of trouble finding a source that backs up this position. Everything I’m reading says that loopholes are typically oversights, not intentional inclusions.
That being said, the 13th amendment’s allowance for prisoner slavery is not a loophole at all, it’s an explicit allowance. Loopholes are not explicit, that’s kinda the whole point of them. It’s a bit like saying that the standard deduction on your taxes is a loophole. It’s just an explicitly defined feature.
While that, in fact, does happen, when a large portion of loopholes benefit corporations are written by people employed, or otherwise invested in, those corporations you would have to be lying to yourself, or ignorant of the situation, to believe loopholes are generally unintended.
The above is one example of how this is done. Bills are written to model what the industry wants to get out of legislation. Then they use LLMs to construct legislation after being trained on those models. They then collude to push these bills to as many places as possible, greasing palms the whole way. Sometimes these are just out-right legislation for the purposes of enriching the industry, more often though they are bills written with carefully designed language to allow for specific technicalities, or for stipulations of compliance to be so vague as to be unenforceable, or to use a bunch of jargon and complex linguistics to make a law read one way to the laymen, but another to the professionals that will actually be interacting with these laws.
i think you’re responding to a normative statement by making a descriptive statement.
for those unaware, here’s a quick explanation from wikipedia: a normative statement is “meant to talk about the world as it should be”, while a descriptive statement is “meant to describe the world as it is”.
Edit I’m fuckin stupid, leaving this comment up as a monument to my illiteracy
Making a comment like this about basic conversation and debate concepts is like driving and saying you can’t read the speed limit signs. Like, maybe you should avoid actively participating altogether until you’re actually able to
i wasn’t trying to talk about grammar at all, i was only trying to focus only on the meaning of what was said. but i probably could’ve made my point more clearly, so ill try to do that now.
here’s an “example”: one person says “things should be done this way” and the other person says “well things aren’t being done that way”. these two statements aren’t in opposition to each other. in fact, it’s perfectly possible both people agree with each other. maybe things aren’t being done a certain way, and they should be done differently.
the terms “normative” and “descriptive” might seem overly complicated to someone who hasn’t seen them before (they did the first time i saw them), but i thought i’d use them because they’re useful concepts to keep in mind. they’ve helped me communicate and resolve conflicts in my own life. i’ve been both people in the example above, and it’s helpful to be able to know when it’s happening.
Human creativity gets maxed out when you literally have nothing to do but sit in a cell all day for years. Just because someone is a criminal doesn’t mean they are completely stupid.
I have often wondered how many actual geniuses have been chewed up by the worlds prison systems. If only some of those people had gotten a fair chance in their life to have their skills developed in a healthy environment… It’s depressing to think about, actually.
Doesn’t that prove his fuckin point? Even in something as locked down and controlled as fucking prison can’t stop humans if they truly want to harm others
I was just making the joke initially, a contrasting oversimplification.
But just because they don’t stop all violence, it doesn’t mean they don’t stop any violence. Prisons literally do keep murderers locked up instead of out harming others in the public. Are they flawless systems? Fuck no. There’s all kinds of shit wrong with the systems. But they definitely beat the alternative of having no prisons.
to be fair, the united states doesnt care about the humans it pretends to 'rehabilitate'. we dont care about recidivism, because our system is for punishment not for rehab.
other countries do a better job at fixing their humans than we do. can we start there?
You think prisons are locked down and controlled? Prisons are for-profit labor generators where slaves are treated like, well, slaves. Society accepts this because we act like they deserve subhuman treatment. We should not accept this.
In theory, yes, but that should be the point of education and social programs tbh. Even then, restorative justice models don’t rely as heavily on jail/prison. Temporary and maybe permanent removal from a specific environment doesn’t have to require fully sequestering perpetrators from society. Caught early enough, extreme examples of violent individuals can be rehabilitated through house arrest and other programs like anger management, therapy, etc. Saves taxpayer money, reduces recidivism, and victims report much higher satisfaction as they can actually face their perpetrator and be more involved in the process seeking accountability.
In practice, prisons prop up class and racial segregation, perpetuating capitalist agendas.
Yes, our prisons should be safe for those who are confined within them. I agree with that, and that less people should be confined in the first place.
But there is a qualitative difference between "he was stabbed due to being a cop (or due to being THAT cop)" vs "He got into an altercation that resulted in him being stabbed, but which could have happened to anyone."
I think the kneejerk assumption is that he was targeted, which is worse IMO.
Not that I shed a single tear for the fate of Derek Chauvin, mind you.
Would you rather be in an unsafe environment where you are taking the same risks as anyone else by being there, or an unsafe environment where you are likely to be specifically and personally targeted for being you?
The idea of “not killing” and “I wish he was dead” can’t seem live in most people’s head. I think he’s human waste, he should be dead, and I wouldn’t have lamented his death. BUT!!! I don’t want him to die and I don’t want someone to kill him.
On another note if you are interested in the topic, I can’t recommend Growing Up in Scientology enough on YouTube.
Aaron is an amazing educator, commentator, and satirist on the subject of Scientology. Beyond that he has one of the most genuine, yet charismatic personalities of any person on the platform. I can’t say enough good things about him, his journey, and his work with both exposing as well as freeing people from Scientology’s grip.
Yeah A A Ron covers Scientology really well, cuts through the nonsence with a great deal of knowledge about the subject and does a lot to help victims of the cult. Well worth a watch.
This is why I don’t watch Tom Cruise, Elisabeth Moss, et al vehicles. You can’t separate the art from the artist when you’re literally financing their criminal organization.
Shelly Miscavige is still held unlawfully by Scientology.
Are you sure about that? I don’t mean that in the sense of doubting that Scientology kidnapped her, but in the sense that I’m unaware of any proof she’s even still alive.
Flo Barnett shot herself three times in the chest and once in the head with a long rifle.
Gary Webb, who exposed the crack cocaine conspiracy within the CIA shot himself twice in the head with a revolver. FWIW, Webb’s death Bay actually have been a suicide. The first shot went through his face.
Yeah I see a lot of “cruelty is the point” comments here, which might not be entirely false, but if they sue it mostly means someone is pissed off about losing revenue.
The cruelty isn’t the only point behind every conservative position, but it’s the only point of enough of them to make me suspect it’s part of the motivation for all of them.
Really? Not for anti-trans laws, anti-immigrant laws, and laws that specifically target medically necessary abortions? Of course it’s the point. If looking at the laws they vote for isn’t good enough, all you have to do is talk to a few conservatives to figure out they’re hateful, cruel people.
You may see them as hateful and cruel people, but that’s not how they see themselves. They would have to see themselves as cruel for cruelty to be the point. The fact that you think it’s the point means that you’re unwilling or unable to actually understand their point of view.
You may disagree with it, but it’s not about “cruelty”, and pretending it is just shows your personal limitations.
If course they don’t see themselves as hateful. But they have no qualms about using cruelty to enforce their idea of the proper social order. If you want to be very literal, the cruelty is the means to an end and not an end in itself, but when they use cruelty as a first resort to enforce rules to designed to keep undesirable people in their place, I see it as a distinction without a difference.
They've become so focused on political "points" and afraid of the other "team" scoring a "point" that they're willing to do anything, regardless of the optics.
Because they don't stop and look at the bigger picture - it's just political capital they can push around or dangle as a carrot in front of voters for future elections.
Wilholt’s law, “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
They’re libertarians when it comes to them being able to do whatever they want, and they’re fascists when it comes to things they don’t want to do. Has actually nothing to do with political philosophy, it’s just naked short-term self interest. (They don’t even care if something will be bad for them in a few years.)
Totally cool for government to help those poor billionaires though.
Well, Elorn bought Twatter and can’t afford to pay rent (or severance, or server fees, or lawyers), so it seems right that he should get a handout. How’s the guy even gonna pay for his next lunch?!
Meanwhile, my grandmother can’t afford insulin. That bitch better figure it out!
Because they’ve been bought and paid for by corporate interests and lobbying. They’re not a representative of the people. They’re party over country, interests over unity, few over many.
I don't need student debt relief, it won't affect me. But I am extremely for it - it's called wanting a better life for your fellow human being.
Compassion - it's not a difficult concept if you're not a narcissistic a$$hole.
And as an added bonus, the money currently going to banks would actually get better distributed to businesses (both big and small) and act as a net gain to our economy. But screw that - we don't want some bank stocks to dip and affect some wealthy pension plans! /s
My family is financially secure and has no student debt. I, too, am for student debt relief, in part because it benefits me directly. When my neighbor has an extra $100 in his pocket to spend at the local shop, that benefits me, too. “Conservatives” (just what in the fuck do they conserve?) are too stupid to see this.
I was blessed with my parents saving a lot and saving early for my college, and I fully support student debt relief. I honestly don’t understand how it’s possible for someone to be lucky, see the vast majority of people to be unlucky, and not want all of them to be helped out.
I hadn’t ever considered it, but my desire for student debt relief also won’t affect me. I’ve been harping on this thing that I want for the last couple of years. I never stopped for a second to consider that I’m not in that group. I just want a better life for my fellow humans. Thanks for bringing that to my front of mind.
Simple answer I think is GOP don’t want anyone in their base to think any form of government assistance is good and will always label it as hand outs. More government assistance/social safety nets means their capitalist overlords gets to maintain and build their control over citizens and money will flow to them instead. Also “liberals bad!”
Along with the usual “the cruelty is the point” responses, I’d like to remind people that this is a direct strategy championed by Mitch McConnell, who has been championing this strategy long before Biden came along.
First, McConnell believes that the GOP should not have any policy positions on anything at all. If you have a policy position, that position is subject to criticism. Rather than champion policies that he fully admits would be unpopular with the voters, McConnell believes in simply pointing to the Democrat policies, pointing out the flaws in those policies, and just making vague promises that the GOP can do better without actually defining how. Ever seen the meme of the guy tapping his own head while saying something profoundly stupid? That’s exactly what this is. Picture McConnell doing that while saying “Can’t be criticized for your terrible ideas if you just don’t have any ideas at all!”
The other part, also championed by McConnell and others, is that no matter what it is, if it originally was a Democrat idea, then a Republican must be against it at all costs. Not only must they be against it, they must treat every Democrat policy as a threat to American society as we know it. Take a look at Romneycare in Massachusetts. A healthcare bill created by a Republican that was considered widely successful and basically the cornerstone to Obamacare. But the second a Democrat suggesting nationalizing the program, it was suddenly the worst program in the world that would collapse our healthcare system and lead to death panels.
And sad to say, but it’s been a very effective strategy for them. It’s easy for the GOP to get their voters to blame Democrats for problems because deflecting blame is easy, and people are always looking for someone to blame for whatever problems they have in life. People tend not to do their own research or critical thinking and often just prefer to be “told” what the “right” answer is, especially if what they’re told jives with their own personal worldview. If voters want to believe that Democrats are the root of all evil, and their elected leaders are saying that Democrats are the root of all evil, it’s not much of a stretch to get them to believe that anything or any ideas associated with Democrats are also evil and must be eradicated.
It’s all about maintaining political power through obstruction. Doesn’t matter how bad your own policies are just as long as you continue to make sure voters believe that the alternative is even worse.
conservatives view social hierarchy as a necessity which must be enforced. if you’re at the bottom, you deserve to be there, and if you’re there, you suffer because you deserve it, and because you’re at the bottom, you deserve to suffer. cruelty is the point, and without it, there can’t be the joy of their success.
anything else, to them, is profane and must be fought/destroyed. anyone who tries to climb above their position must be punished.
I’m not a Christian, but no. And screw your upvoters.
Edit: Just in case you need an explanation (though if you did, you probably wouldn’t accept it anyway), a person who says they’re a Christian but doesn’t read/learn, understand, or follow any Christian principles except incidentally is not a Christian. It’s like a person saying they’re a pacifist, but they go out beating up and killing homeless people at night. That doesn’t make pacifists assholes, that makes the person a liar. Your brain cells barely need to function for you to understand this principle, so stop with the religiophobic bullshit.
The only thing baffling about any of this is that somehow, millions of ordinary, working/middle-class Americans believe that this system benefits them more than the alternative.
Nah, they’re just pissed and want to believe they’ve been wronged by some “other”. Ironically, they’re 100% correct, but have identified the wrong “other”. Baffling, indeed.
it’s not baffling at all. the American dream is literally everyone is a millionaire or will be one day. conservatives are the only ones buying into that dream still so they’re trying to live like a millionaire now so that when the money finally shows up they’ve done their part to help their new millionaire friends along the way.
The problem is they don’t understand that the likelihood of them becoming even moderately wealthy is pretty slim and they’re too blind to see that voting to hurt the poor is voting to hurt themselves in their current situation.
When I was growing up, at least the way I was taught (and I was only born in 1977), the American Dream was a steady paycheck, a house and a car. Did that change at some point or was I taught something other than what people actually believed?
As someone also born in '77 I generally heard the same things and the same sentiment. Though I think that might have more to do with family and the general class you grew up in. Because it isn’t Universal unfortunately. Nor can capitalism deliver on it.
But voting another way will result in my children being accosted by drag queens who will turn them gay / trans and my freedoms will be co-opted by shitty beer companies who don’t believe in Christ. Then my enemies will take my guns and my elderly parents will be shipped off to a commie gulag and murdered to make room for more whatever whatever whatever… I ran out of tropes. Hopefully, you don’t need me to punctuate that this is sarcasm.
These are the things that they think about obsessively. They aren’t thinking about how to make the world a better place. They’re thinking about the things they hate and fear.
“She said something that I considered to be a false accusation,” he said, later adding: “I just wanted to defend myself, my family and, frankly, the presidency.”
You sexually assaulted her in 1996 you dumb sack of shit. It was two full decades before you fell ass backwards into the Oval office. This has nothing to do with the presidency. It’s about you and your crimes.
Edit: The defamation claim is absolutely about the sexual assault taking place. That’s what he was referring to when he said “something I consider to be a false accusation”. Anyone trying to tell you this trial has nothing to do with the sexual assault is an idiot.
This trial isn’t about the sexual assault. That was already established in a previous case, where he was ordered to pay $5M in damages.
This trial is about him repeatedly calling her a liar, and other worse things when the memoir she had published in 2019 described the sexual assault. He’s unsuccessfully attempting to argue that since he was president at the time, his actions as president should be immune from civil and criminal litigation.
I think that even if he and his attorneys weren’t some of the dumbest people in the world, it would still be a very difficult position to prove. As it turns out, though, they are some of the dumbest people in the world, so there’s no shot that that defense will work. And he doesn’t exactly help his case by repeatedly claiming that Carroll was lying about the sexual assault, since that has already been established as fact by the court.
Edit: Very confused about the downvotes here. What am I missing?
What am I missing? I figure it’s because people don’t know the intricacies of the two trials. He’s already been found liable for the sexual assault in the first completed case. This current case has the same basic facts so the judge ruled that there is no re-litigation to be done on liability, only on damages.
I presume your downvotes are most likely related to the first sentence in your post. They get that far and likely assume that you’re denying the first case’s conclusions without catching the subtle nature of the two cases.
The title looks like it’s trying to imply that the thiefs specifically targeted her, when the article makes it more clear that they likely just tried to steal the car not knowing it was from the Secret Service.
It could be just breaking in and it’s a coincidence, could be that they thought they were in the car or were trying to threaten Biden’s family. The fact that they got away from the secret service, who don’t fuck around, is wild too.
Edit: I took out the part about d’s being targeted in the article. I read the description.
where in the article does it say that democrats are being targeted? In addition, I feel user Ragdoll is correct that the title makes it seem worse that the situation actually was (though I guess there isn’t an easier way to write the title), the SUV was not occupied when the criminals tried to break in. If you’re targeting someone, you probably at least have an idea of who should be inside and whether they just stepped out of the vehicle or stepped in. I doubt the vehicle literally said Biden or “Biden’s family inside” so I doubt it was a group of people walking around, and taking the opportunity to attack Biden or his family. In addition, the article indicates that car jacking have increased 40% in the area, so it really seems like it was a random car jacking.
I kind of think the bigger story is, why were Secret Service shooting at suspects trying to enter an empty vehicle? Unless there were firearms in the vehicle, feels a bit excessive to potentially kill 1 to 4 people over a car break in where no one’s life was in direct danger.
Maybe there’s more missing details that clear up the story so we’d have to wait and see.
No no no, you’re thinking of the Army. The police are trained to shoot first, cover up the shooting, find/make up past crime the victim did to justify the shooting, get acquitted by a grand jury, and receive a full pension later.
Why did they shoot at someone trying to enter an empty vehicle?
Maybe from a security perspective the position is that they assume anyone trying to get into a vehicle they are protecting is intending to harm the occupants, even if the occupants are not in the vehicle and the perps don’t know that.
smaller detail has to stay on task--protecting their charge, not chasing down suspects that are no longer an immediate threat. others will do the hunting.
Sad thing is, it probably would have generated as many hits if the headline was more open. I mean that’s freaking hilarious in a morbid way - that the would be thieves just happened to pick the wrong car to try and steal.
And this folks, is why voting in November is IMPERATIVE. Don’t listen to the right-wing propaganda-spreading accounts here that post all day about how you should not vote because both parties are bad for America.
They KNOW you’re not voting for Trump and they KNOW you cannot be persuaded to- so the next best thing is for them to bullshit you into not voting at all- which in the end- will still help Trump win America.
If you think conservatives judges denying us our right to ban a “man” from running because of an attempted overthrowing of our government- denying us AFTER we went through due process to arrive at a legal decision to-
Just wait until the someone even worse than them has the authority to pass laws.
It’s worth doing more than voting. If you’re able, sign up to volunteer and donate. Adopt a close congressional race too; fairly modest travel can get a lot of people to a swing district for the day.
It means picking a swing district near you, and then supporting the Democrat with volunteer time and (if you can afford it) money and recruiting others to join you.
I just got run out of hexbear because I believe voting for Biden, while shitty, is a form of harm reduction. I got called a genocide supporter and a fascist followed by hours of threats and wishes of harm, including my favorite. An emoji of a location where Nazis were executed by partisans in Yugoslavia.
I’m new to lemmy so just kinda assumed it was a leftist space. I didn’t realize that it’s just red tented Nazis with no actual love for their fellow human beings. Something I consider necessary to being a socialist in any form. That sucked.
I always see reports of this behavior from hexbear, but I’ve never been subjected to it, even when disagreeing with the user base there. Though,I am wondering if they just blocked me because I haven’t seen any of their posts in a while, now that I think about it.
I made a snarky comment on a post from a Hexbear Truth-Teller once. The OP replied to me after a few days and thought it was important that I knew they couldn’t see my post from the Hexbear server.
Uh sorry guy, not my concern really since it seems your server is the one blocking me.
I don’t really understand hexbear. They are leftists that are so left they are Nazis?
I get it, I don’t like voting for Biden, but we live in a two party system where we have to vote for the least evil one.
And despite myself, Biden has passed some of the most progressive legislation ever (at least my lefty podcasts tell me that) So while he was glacially, immorally, slow to call for a ceasefire in Gaza, he has done it and his policies are inarguably more moral than Trumps were and likely will be, should trump win.
Many of the revolutionaries replaced even more brutal governments but realistically its only ever been where people were fully denied rights that revolutions were successful. Example: its well understood that the british empire ended slavery after a series of slave revolts. Cubans also had less rights than vacationing american mobsters under batista.
Often more developed countries get better mechanisms to resolve disputes: elections, courts, regulations, insurance, strikes, etc.
Oh I agree, I abhor violence and it is my sincere wish that no human anywhere perished in such ways. But I am not a naive enough fool to believe that meaningful change is always bloodless.
Personally I think it will be the coming food riots that really kick things into high gear. And its going to happen sooner than people realize.
And yet he was overwhelmingly the favorite pick for Black voters in the 2020 primary.
People change. Context matters – some of those bills were even supported by black community leaders. It obviously didn’t turn out well.
Plus, it matters to some people that he was happily VP under Obama. I personally don’t get it, but to some people being #2 to a black person at #1 meant something.
They are leftists that are so left they are Nazis?
Tankies are not really leftists. They are conservatives who call themselves leftists. They are engaging in modern propaganda.
One of the standard tactics of fascists is to sew chaos and confusion among any who may resist. A tankie’s primary goal is to create confusion and demotivate progressives.
Not everyone falls for it, but some tankies can be pretty convincing that they really believe their nonsense. Do not be fooled. Tankies are absolutely lying. They are pro-level trolls with a deadly serious goal.
Tankies are not really leftists. They are conservatives who call themselves leftists. They are engaging in modern propaganda.
I wish more people realized this. They are bad faith actors who exist solely to disrupt and recruit. What I find particularly reprehensible about the Hexbear playbook is they appeal to the most disenfranchised part of the LGBTQ+ community and take advantage of their rage by giving them a target…not coincidentally, the same way the public face of the right wing panders to rural white men. Hexbear is queer-friendly and does offer a safe space, but they don’t actually discuss, much fight for the rights of the queer community in any way. They give them anti-west talking points, wind them up, and send them out into the world, but they don’t actually give a shit about their recruits’ queer existence; they’re just a tool to be used. It just sucks to see, for a number of reasons.
Wow. I was completely unaware of Hexbear’s specific flavor of manipulation. Thank you for spelling that out. That is both heart-breaking and frightening.
It also explains some of the bizarre conversations I’ve had with certain tankies. I’m usually not kind to them, but I think I can be both more sensitive and more persuasive with certain LGBTQ+ tankies now that I know some of them may actually be victims of manipulation. So, again, thank you.
Unfortunately, Lemmy.ml and a few other still-federated instances are currently infected with tankie mods. Some are a bit covert about it, banning people for clever little twists like “minimizing genocide” if the user calls any current military action a genocide.
Conservatism, including fake progressives like tankies, are a cancer that are long overdue for a cure.
This is their classic pincer maneuver employed by the establishment - and it works really well: the left wing candidate is both too left and not left enough.
You see it in every election.
It works so well because they own mainstream media so they can run all narratives at the same time as opinion pieces to hamstrung the left. That’s how the ratchet works also.
That’s why it bears repeating that if you don’t vote for Biden in the General Election, YOU ARE HELPING TRUMP. No “genocide Joe” arguments matter at that point no matter how much you twist your logic, no matter how you WISH things worked with the US general election. These are simple FACTS.
It also works because, simply put, those of us not on the Right have a tendency to disagree with one another on what to support. Now I’m not saying this doesn’t happen in general. Only that we’ll do it even to the point of detriment as we recognize situations and cases we feel need to be supported, instead of just what needs to be attacked, and those can vary widely.
My biggest and most consistent concern every election is whether we can come together in consensus long enough to make a difference. My second concern is whether we can hold that energy long enough to continue pushing for positive change.
I mean you are right, but hopefully we learnt our lesson when we got the current supreme court because Hillary was not pure like Sanders.
So long as we keep in mind that their goal is to split the working class in manageable little pieces we can put our differences aside to come together to at least stop the slide and hopefully take a few steps in the right direction.
And just in case there is any confusion, here’s the next line:
By “business” I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.
If he saw what modern minimum wage has become, he would be disgusted.
If they’re paying dividends to shareholders, and fatcat salaries to CEO / upper board, whilst their workers need gov topups and assistance to survive… they can get fucked.
It never fails to amaze me that there’s so much focus on ‘benefit scroungers’, whilst a majority of big businesses gain the giant benefit of cheap wages while their workers need gov assistance to get by. There are piggies with their snouts at the top, and they sit on the boards / are CEOs of big companies & multinationals.
It's the usual backwards conservative shit, much like their stance on illegal immigration. They demonize immigrants from Central America while largely conservative businesses are the ones who hire them and give them a reason to come here. So, as DeSantis found out, they don't actually want laws to stop it. Same with welfare, like you're saying... they act like people on public assistance are scum somehow, and like they want to decrease it, but then companies like Walmart are setup to benefit from it by being able to pay their workers less.
and they deserve it. They sacrificed and helped the big 3 stay in business 15 years ago and that kindness was never repaid. I live in Detroit and the anger felt by the workers over this fact is not going anywhere. Time for compensation.
Also for reference, about a decade ago during the last contract negotiation, workers forgoed pay raises in order to help these struggling companies bottom line with the promise that they’d get their raises in the future all while inflation hammered away at their stagnant pay. These workers are owed that money.
People are kept in prison without a conviction, for not affording bail. Owing a thousand times the lifetime earnings of other people should at the very least mean all your accounts and holdings are frozen, and you can’t spend anything without getting independent approval every time.
The settlement payout is on hold pending his bankruptcy case is why they haven't done something like this. However, lawyers for the families are in fact trying to have his assets placed in a trust or have the bankruptcy case cancelled outright because of his spending. By design it's a slow, complicated process where Jones has lots of legal (and illegal) avenues to delay paying. Fortunately Jones is so stupid and outlandish that he's likely hurting his own case so I wouldn't be surprised if a judge slaps him with more severe sanctions.
If it had been a criminal defamation case, then it would be criminally enforcable… but all this really means is “a judge ruled you need to pay” and if you don’t pay, then you could sue them again for not paying, and it just goes in a loop over and over again. I have a friend whose family has been in a loop like this in civil court over a bad real estate venture for decades with someone who simply ignores the rulings.
It hangs over the head of the person who did it, but in the end it’s mostly just a “it’s on your permanent record” kind of stain which can stop people from working with you and damage your personal life, but it’s not like the kind of people who would work with Alex Jones don’t know who they’re working with.
Seems to me that failing to pay a proper court ordered civil case should be a crime, at least in the case where you’re just ignoring the court order, not where you can’t actually pay.
It’s a lot harder with rich people, they typically aren’t reimbursed by traditional means, and they can afford to hire people to obscure your assets with your businesses or trust assets.
What do you think banks do if you don’t pay your loans?
They typically take what you put up as collateral, this is why banks typically require some sort of collateral even if the person is wealthy.
Do you have any sources for that claim? There really isn’t a reason for a bank to lend a significant amount of money via an unsecured loan. Even people like musk and bezos have to levy their stock to secure large loans.
Are you asking for internal bank documents about specific loan defaults over a certain amount? No one is going to share that with you, but yes a bank will definitely loan amounts over $50K with no collateral. It’s usually called a “credit card” or just a large line of credit.
Are you asking for internal bank documents about specific loan defaults over a certain amount?
I mean like any evidence? A report about a rise in defaults on unsecured loans, examples of people being given huge unsecured loans, the information that has led you to believe in your own claim?
It’s usually called a “credit card” or just a large line of credit.
Again, having a credit limit on a single card exceeding 50k is extremely rare even for the wealthy, the same goes for personal lines of credit. I think at this point you’re just being pedantic. The vast majority of large loans are secured via collateral. With the reason being that it can be exceedingly difficult to recoup your investment in civil court.
It’s not how you think. For starters not many inmates will risk adding several more years to their sentence for assaulting a sex offender. Most people in prison want to go home. He’ll be fine as long as he keeps to himself or stays with other sex offenders. Also, before someone starts their fantasies, prison rape is not common. Prison Rape Elimination Act ended most of that. The type of sex offenders who do get assaulted in prison generally ask for it. Their specific offense plays a factor but its usually because they’re annoying as hell, keep pushing boundaries with other inmates, actually it’s mostly because they push boundaries.
Depends on where you end up, too. There are a bare handful of prisons full of and geared towards rehabbing sex offenders, though none of those are where he's going. And low security in general, sure, they're apt to mostly ostracize them rather than risk extending their own sentence. High security, you're gonna want to go into protective custody as quickly as possible or gamble on whether or not your skull is ventilated.
Protective custody was where Masterson was being held back in June anyway while awaiting a verdict. I see no real reason he'd be moved out of it, so I'm sure he'll mostly be bored.
This REALLY varies. The majority of prisons do not tack on time for in prison fights. Unless they near kill or maim him, they’re fine whooping his ass and taking a week in the hole as that’s all they’ll get.
I will have to disagree. When you are in prison you are in the custody of the state (state or federal). If the state just knowingly allows you to be at risk by placing you in a dangerous situation then they become liable. It would then become cruel and unusual punishment. No one is sentence to continuous assaults for decades. The prison can and will be sued and it could raise a constitutional issue. If prisons just allowed whatever to happen then PREA would not be a thing.
As someone who was in prison, sex stuff is usually agreed to. Fights do happen a lot but it’s usually two people arguing or drug related. Punishments vary but it’s usually not good so people don’t want to fight unless they don’t care. People do care about extra time. Everyone stays quiet anyway. People lie all the time about why they’re in and unless you’re annoying or in people’s faces then you’re usually safe. A sex offender might get shunned or treated like shit but not all the time and they are usually separated into other sex offenders. There are also A LOT of sex offenders so they often have a place or section of their own. I saw a lot of jokes and minor threats about rape but never saw anything in person, dudes did do stuff here and there but it was voluntary. It’s not gay if you’re in prison is what was said. If it’s a high profile crime you might get some shit but you’ll probably be separated anyway.
What I mean by the phrase, “They ask for it” is that they do things and push boundaries with other inmates that lead to the assault.
Example: I knew a guy who would always talk about his crime even after he was told to shut the fuck up about it. He was also proud of how he taught his young daughters how to give a bj. His cellies hated him, the cops hated him, most other sex offenders hated him because they wanted to move on and he wanted to stay back. He found his way into solitary.
The rape elimination act ended most of that? Conservatively, between 1986 & 2006, as many as 1M inmates were documented to have been sexually assaulted.
I think you’re projecting a bit on how you’d like to imagine prisons operate.
PREA is mostly an information gathering mechanism.
I’m not projecting anything. By law inmates cannot consent to sex so any sexual encounter is considered rape. This includes encounters between inmates and guards. Forced sexual encountered between inmates is not common anymore.
Also I do not have any experience with higher level federal facilities like Mediums or High security but I assume they are more vigilant.
At best, Masterson would have to “pay rent” if he were in a regular prison, but honestly he’ll likely go to a rich white person prison where none of that applies. A prisoner would only get killed if he were a child molester.
The big difference between this place and Reddit is I would have been called an idiot for not believing it at face value, and here someone just drops a link
I’m browsing on Voyager, which looks a lot like Apollo, discussions branch out down to the right. On reddit the further down and right you went in any given thread it was always mudslinging and downvotes, here it seems to be a lot more people actually talking to each other
And then shock and surprise that people are actually talking to each other instead of just either mindlessly agreeing or purging a different opinion. Don’t folks know this is the internet, which is no place for actual discourse?
I assume they’re talking about white collar prisons which a sex offender would not be going to AFAIK. If they’re just talking about some secret rich white people prison where violent offenders go when they have money, there isn’t one. Rich people get off if their richness helps enough.
Think about this for a second: a Supreme Court justice thinks NO ONE has the power to hold them to an ethical standard. I can think of no better reason to hold them to an ethical standard than that.
Congress already has a check against SCOTUS, impeachment. Alito is actually probably right here. It would take a constitutional amendment to create a new lever for congress to pull.
Which is complete ass because it will never happen. That document is a failure in the 21st century and is holding us back.
Yeah really, if a justice literally says checks and balances don’t exist, maybe we should listen and respond accordingly. Also maybe we should fire him, and most of the others.
Exactly. Checks and balances motherfucker! We need to swing the scales back into balance so hard. He and Thomas are launched into orbit and never heard from again. Run over by an orbiting Tesla.
“By ‘free speech,’ I simply mean that which matches the law. I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law.”
– Musk Tweeted that after getting criticized for censoring Twitter in Turkey and India. So apparently if North Korea allowed Twitter, he’d happily censor away since that would be the law.
The good ol “Everything I say has super smart and deep meaning that needs to be explained everytime I make seemingly absurd, contradictory and short-sighted comments.” What a deep, mysterious and nuanced fellow.
When he was just running Tesla and SpaceX, and generally keeping his mouth shut he seemed okay. It was around Hyperloop that he started to show his true self.
Lemmy sucks. You’re whiney fucks. Enjoy the win. Both sides are not the same. This is an unfathomable event previously. Anyone remember Jeff Sessions first months in office? Stop bitching and show some fucking gratitude. Thousands of people are being pardoned. Is it perfect and everything we want? No. Does that take away from the achievement? No.
Purity tests all the way down and it’s why populism never actually works. You can’t be happy, even a little bit, about incremental progress if the “real problem” hasn’t been dealt with. That problem will always be broad and impossible to truly achieve outside of theory. You end up with an ideology just centered around anger and despair.
People who do this shit maintain positions they know are practically unworkable because the thing they fear most is actually having to govern and make difficult choices in the real world and then answer for the consequences of those decisions. It’s much easier to just loudly state a preference for fantasy.
It just rings extremely hollow after he spent the last three years shoveling money at state police departments that are going to keep on harassing and brutalizing people by the tens of thousands for marijuana possession, not to mention the fact that he could reschedule and effectively legalize marijuana on a federal level but chooses not to do so
More generally speaking, you just can’t be surprised that people are skeptical of Biden when his supporters constantly ignore context and straight up lie to pretend that he’s someone he’s not
As opposed to fucking what? Trump? Because more and worse Trump is what you’d get if you didn’t have Biden.
He’s not perfect. But he’s managed to keep this crumbling nation together for at least a few more years. Every single option on the Republican side is a nightmare compared to Biden. If the Democrats can come up with someone better than Biden who can also defeat the Republican nominee, great, let’s do it. Until then, we should all remember that there’s a huge fucking cliff from where we are now vs where we’d be without Biden.
the fact that he could reschedule and effectively legalize marijuana
No he can’t. He can direct the DEA to look into rescheduling the drug, a process he has already started. But he doesn’t have the authority to unilaterally force them to reschedule it. He could theoretically Saturday Night Massacre the DEA into doing it, but they really wouldn’t be a good look.
No. The political racketeers that caused this problem tacitly admitting that they’ve destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives for no reason at all is in no way or shape any kind of “win.”
When they start paying reparations to all the people they’ve victimized through these self-serving laws throughout the decades, then we can start talking about “wins.”
You are top comment. I always hated this “reddit sucks” attitude that everyone always adopted, especially when taking the most common and popular opinions on the platform.
Hahahahahaahhahahhaa I rarely go back to see votes and shit… I’ve yet to ever have a highly voted comment here. Only bc your reply did I catch this. Phenomenal it’s this comment
There are a lot of right wing Poe’s law trolls here pretending to be leftists, and a handful of people who get caught up in their privileged contrarian virtue. It’s shocking to me that this isn’t extremely obvious to more people here.
A zillion percent. So much so I blocked a ton of keywords of political posts showing up for me here Then I ate a bunch of edibles and wrote an essay about my feelings on the matter.
For sure. Actual leftists often criticize the Dems, because the Dems aren’t leftist. They are mostly just centrists and they are in bed with Corporate America. That being said, I don’t understand why some people have to criticize every little thing. I have been pretty critical of the Democratic party, myself, as a self identifying Socialist (begrudgingly still vote for them, because the other 1 option is way worse). These pardons are a good thing, though, and I don’t see what the problem is for some people.
Some extreme leftists just turn into such contrarians that they end up sounding the same as right wing fear mongerers. It’s like the political spectrum is a circle, with both of the left and right ends meeting up in a bubble of authoritarianism and hate.
Your comment is what sucks: I’m asking “Why does everyone treat a base hit, the same as a game losing strikeout?” You’re accusing me of saying “Why aren’t you assholes celebrating this base hit like a grand slam?!” Please take a second to think about this without taking it personally. If the analogy is off let me know how so and I’ll try again.
If the analogy is off let me know how so and I’ll try again.
Ok. If you wanna do baseball analogies, let’s. Democrats have a tendency to hit the showers without finishing the game as soon as they hit a single. No amount of rejoicing over the single is gonna get them to the world series.
Hahahaahahha well done. I’m tearing up laughing at how real that is. Once more, I don’t disagree with you. Doesn’t change the fact Lemmy has a shitty attitude and no joy. I have gratitude for this order by Biden. None of the dialogue on this post and this action, is about the legitimate positive impact of the change in policy stance.
Personally, I think people who generalize and complain about Lemmy or Reddit as if they’re some sort of monoliths or “hiveminds” are the ones with the shitty attitude.
I don’t think you can blame people for being sick of the negativity. It’s everywhere these days. You can’t get away from it. You’d be forgiven for thinking that this smallish move on Biden’s part would be greeted with indifference rather than outright boos, but no, nothing is ever good enough, this is the world we live in.
at least our complaints are encouraging momentum rather than dusting off our hands and doing a smithers esque very good sir! because he pardoned people with fake charges that should’ve never existed that he and his VP gleefully enforced and implicitly defended for years and years
I completely disagree that your complaints spur a single thing. Every heard the phrase “you catch more flies with honey than vinegar”? Or how about if I get your thoughts on how to rear a child? Do you beat them, complain about their accomplishments constantly, or do you encourage and support them? Encouragement, support, and excitement do more to inspire change than any amount of complaints.
Incrementalism is the only bloodless way to achieve true progress. I embrace it, and celebrate these wins.
That’s not always true. Like the literal case linked, politicians dragging their feet is one of the exceptions to the rule that positive reinforcement works better than loudly stating that you’re not satisfied and why you’re not satisfied.
Or how about if I get your thoughts on how to rear a child
Politicians aren’t children and shouldn’t be coddled as if they were.
Encouragement, support, and excitement do more to inspire change than any amount of complaints.
Again, politics is an exception. A politician who is informed of a problem or the inadequacy of their solutions will perform better than one who receives praise and adulation every time they affect a tiny fraction of the positive change within their power.
Incrementalism is the only bloodless a truly feckless way to achieve true extremely limited progress
Stop. This isn’t coherent. The MLK quote is irrelevant and out of context. Moderate support by a human, has no parallel to a weak law. They’re different concepts.
Haha, I do like the study on actual flies. That’s fun. I still think the analogy holds true for human behavior. I hope it should be obvious I’m not condoning never taking anyone to task when it’s deserved, politician or otherwise. I think making it the core of your political movement is complete folly though.
I obviously recognize that politicians are not children. That’s not how analogies work. I also think embracing celebration of wins instead of immediately scolding for not going far enough is not “coddling”, either in the case of children or politicians. I think viewing it as such is part of the problem.
I disagree that MLK Jr was referring to Incrementalism explicitly there, but regardless, I’m not a big fan of pulling out political “saints” to make a point. If you think my underlying point is that we should embrace tradition and stability over all progress, I think that’s an unfair assumption based on what I’ve written here. But do I want my country and society to improve without us all killing each other or breaking every rule that gets in the way of our view? Yeah, I think that’s true for me. And I don’t see anything that MLK advocated for, in ends or means, that disagreed with that notion.
So yeah, I want congress to legalize weed. Hell, I smoke daily and have bought my weed illegally in sketchy parking lots. But I’m going to celebrate this, because some good people who did nothing wrong get to celebrate Christmas at home.
Momentum is incremental progress towards a goal, this is that. You’ve said nothing convincing to a rational adult. We don’t put flags on our trucks that show him riding a dinosaur with his shirt off, we don’t agree with everything, but it’s general progress and we accept that. We accept AND we push for more.
Thanks! That’s pretty much my entire feelings about the DNC. I live in the most liberal county in America. Obviously I’m not satisfied with federal laws. But whining about Biden while an autocrat is on the doorstep of the WH is pathetic. Wannabe progressive losers on the Internet gaslit by Russian, Chinese and right wing propaganda. A fucking thread about releasing marijuana convictions flooded with Biden is basically the alt right. We have fought for this inch for DECADES.
Fuck off Lemmy. Your holier than thou bullshit is sad and transparent. You’re thinking no more critically or analytically than on Reddit.
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