J12t, to random
@J12t@social.coop avatar

Imagine two identical with mainstream users. Same number of users, same connectedness of the social graph, same demographics etc.

Social network A only has an algorithmic feed. Social network B only has a chronological people-I-follow feed.

What would the usage numbers look like in comparison? Numbers of posts, numbers of likes/replies/boosts, growth trajectory, etc?

I would expect somebody has done some research on this. Anybody know of any public results?

J12t,
@J12t@social.coop avatar

Over on #bluesky, somebody pointed me to this very fascinating thread on this topic: https://bsky.app/profile/rahaeli.bsky.social/post/3kp7lfkssxl2q

danlyke,
@danlyke@researchbuzz.masto.host avatar

@J12t Seems like this question is largely analogous to "would you like salad, or would you like a burger and fries?" We all say we'd like a healthy meal, but not enough of us actually order it to make it a viable option when we're road tripping.

benroyce, to politics
@benroyce@mastodon.social avatar

Online discourse: "You have to convince me to vote for Joe "

Why? I don't like Joe Biden. The idea that anyone has to convince you to fall in love with Joe Biden is as absurd of a assertion as the cult and , that is about

We don't view politics as a love affair. It's . And more importantly, it's your to vote

, , the , etc: issues you care about, or should care about

But ...

benroyce,
@benroyce@mastodon.social avatar

Trump said "finish the problem" about Gaza in March. He would greenlight for to max out on

So you're asserting your single-issue concern as more important than other issues and you're even wrong on that one issue

Biden sucks, but Trump and Biden are the only two who have a chance of winning. Again: , not

is how moves to topple , those are here on

reignstorm,
@reignstorm@mastodon.social avatar

@benroyce regarding Gaza, I really wish everyone studies Trump's track record. If his repeated use of the term "Muslim problem" doesn't send chills down your spine...
Not to mention, Trump's political debut started by his being known for one of the biggest propagator of "Obama being a Muslim and not American" conspiracy theory.
Then came his "bullets dip in pig blood will rid of the problem for 25 years" campaign story.. https://medium.com/nilc/86-times-donald-trump-displayed-or-promoted-islamophobia-49e67584ac10

splann, to random French
@splann@mamot.fr avatar

🔴 À eux seuls, quatre dirigeants de la FNSEA, dont deux Bretons, cumulent 50 mandats. De l'Anses au Cese en passant par les innombrables instances agricoles, ces cumulards défendent partout la ligne du syndicat productiviste. Avec succès !

Une enquête menée dans le cadre d'une collaboration européenne avec Lighthouse Reports.

👉 Consultez l'enquête : https://splann.org/lobby-agricole-fnsea/

msquebanh, to Canada
@msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

Tackling late-life homelessness in Canada
Jillian Alston, Stefan Baral, Aaron Orkin & Sharon Straus

Many experience in , yet current shelters & temporary are not designed or resourced for them. We outline the magnitude of this large & growing & challenge, describe the social & needs of older adults experiencing homelessness, and suggest potential solutions.

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/196/19/E662

paul_denton, to random French
@paul_denton@mastodon.social avatar

Il faudra bientôt avoir travaillé minimum 8 mois sur une période de 20 mois pour ouvrir des droits aux allocations chômage (contre 6 mois dans les 24 derniers mois). Jusqu'à fin 2019, c'était à peine 4 mois sur 28 mois... Pour les chômeurs de 53 et plus, la période de référence reste à 36 mois mais pour combien de temps? Que la force soit avec nous... https://www.lesechos.fr/economie-france/social/la-reforme-de-lassurance-chomage-dans-la-derniere-ligne-droite-2095778

#Chomage #Macron #Attal #SOS #Colere #Social #Travail #FranceTravail

t_l_wood, to Futurology
@t_l_wood@mastodon.social avatar

So this question is part and part story -related and asks you to be very honest, but here goes:

— What do you, personally, think is/are the value(s)/benefit(s) of interacting socially with other humans?

  • Also—if you’re happy to disclose—are you neurodiverse or neurotypical?

for reach appreciated.

metin, to journalism
@metin@graphics.social avatar

Interesting approach. But it's commercial, not decentralized, and is backed by Sam Altman and more Big Tech honchos, so my first reaction is skepticism.

https://www.wired.com/story/maven-social-network-that-eliminates-followers-and-stress

tech

daniel,
@daniel@social.dhelonious.de avatar

@metin Interesting read, but I see some fundamental problems.

Even if this project were open source, it would still be impossible to know what the algorithm/AI is doing. Moreover, even if there are no followers, there will be some other not-so-obvious metric used to favor posts over others; there has to be, because the algorithm has to prioritize what to show you.

I think this is very dangerous and easily exploitable, just like existing platforms with non-transparent algorithms 😬

metin,
@metin@graphics.social avatar

@daniel Agreed! 🙂

paul_denton, to random French
@paul_denton@mastodon.social avatar

Tranquillou, Ambroise Méjean, 20è sur la liste de Valérie Hayer, admet qu'il profite de son chômage (2500 euros par mois) pour faire campagne. "Le choix de ne pas travailler n'est pas pénalisé en France", comme le répètent Macron et ses fidèles. Deux poids, deux mesures. Pour rappel, le papa du candidat est le cousin de l'ancien secrétaire d'Etat Cédric O https://tiktok.com/

video/mp4

blackRAT,
@blackRAT@piaille.fr avatar

@paul_denton
alors lui avec son chômage il touche plus par mois que ce que j'ai pu toucher dans ma vie en travaillant...
ah, le chômage bourgeois...

metin, to Facebook
@metin@graphics.social avatar

Who would have ever guessed that…?

𝘿𝙚𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙞𝙫𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙁𝙖𝙘𝙚𝙗𝙤𝙤𝙠 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙛𝙚𝙬 𝙬𝙚𝙚𝙠𝙨 𝙧𝙚𝙙𝙪𝙘𝙚𝙨 𝙗𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙛 𝙞𝙣 𝙛𝙖𝙠𝙚 𝙣𝙚𝙬𝙨

https://english.elpais.com/technology/2024-05-14/deactivating-facebook-for-just-a-few-weeks-reduces-belief-in-fake-news.html

feyter,
@feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@rticks @metin that sounds like an easy to make statement but I don't really understand what that should mean.

I don't think there is only one-fits-all treatment for all different kinds of addictions.

At which point would "can't control" be considered to be the case and has believing false information actually anything to do with not being able to control consumption? So for me all that is not clear that's why at this point I would not support a general saying like that.

rticks,
@rticks@mastodon.social avatar

@feyter @metin

Algoaddiction for most isnt like heroin addiction, its more like smoking which you cant do indoors anymore

people who willingly indulge in self destructive behavior can and should be called out for such

I am not saying make facebook illegal, I merely saying use the truth

people who subject themselves willingly and knowingly to toxic mental manipulation are not as truthworthy as people who avoid it via common sense

davidbisset, to drama
@davidbisset@phpc.social avatar

I heard the term "attention farmers" used in context of "haters" trying to spin up #drama with conversations on #social (usually because those get the most likes/reposts). Love that term.

Time is precious, so little I have of it. Focus on productive things and be a barren wasteland for attention farmers.

metin, to blender
@metin@graphics.social avatar

I guess the time has come to write a book called "My life as a Blender Artists forum moderator". 😅

mbt3d,
@mbt3d@fosstodon.org avatar

@metin I thought you'd retired, nice to see you still get messages, a lot of messages 😂

metin,
@metin@graphics.social avatar

@mbt3d I had retired, but then I was accused of having AI-generated a 3D scene in an artwork thread of mine, and I needed my moderator status to solve that, because the replies got ugly. 🙂

Since then, I'm active on a low level, giving advice to the junior mods when necessary, moving posts to other threads, and removing some spam every now and then.

So when I check my messages, I sometimes see more than 1000 new messages. 😅

benzogaga33, to random French
@benzogaga33@mamot.fr avatar
jim, to random
@jim@social.lol avatar

I'll be shifting my online presence to my WordPress blog more over the next few months and use Micro.blog less. There's a post explaining why I'm making the pivot in my drafts folder, but basically, it all comes down to having total control.

jim,
@jim@social.lol avatar

@alexandra This bit of wisdom has always rung true to me… Forgive the bird site link.

https://x.com/amandafortini/status/1769868640789106951

It may sound cavalier, but those who want to read and interact, will. Those who don’t, wont.

alexandra,
@alexandra@social.lol avatar

@jim Indeed, that’s true. We should all write for ourselves rather than any perceived audience.

sonjdol, to genderpolitics
@sonjdol@ohai.social avatar

It's true even if you're not so young anymore.
New study -->

"Out of the loop: Taking a one-week break from social media leads to better self-esteem and body image among young women"
Access Media @genderpolitics
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1740144524000378

koen, to Amsterdam
@koen@procolix.social avatar

Dear European based LGBTIQ+ people.. (so basically everybody).

Today I attended an event in organized by @waag @DeGroene @gemeenteamsterdam and the Amsterdam public library called

Featured speaker this time was Euro Member of Parliament @kimvsparrentak who passionately spoke on the need for a more free Internet detached from and more focussed on and real interaction.

When confronted with her presence on X and Insta, and the lack of active presence here on the we promised to help her.

Please help us get a decent follower-base here and follow her account right now, before she even gets a chance to get more active. A follower base of more than a 1000 people will surely help her convince her party members to spend time and money on a real presence here.

I used a cut out of the image posted by @sicco in this post: https://todon.nl/@sicco/112372340250592627 thank you for that Sicco.

jmaris,
@jmaris@eupolicy.social avatar

@koen @waag @DeGroene @gemeenteamsterdam @kimvsparrentak @sicco have worked with Kim several times over the last 2 years: she's an amazing MEP who consistently stands up for LGBTQI and Digital rights! Certainly worth following !

fabio,
@fabio@manganiello.social avatar

@amerika @kimvsparrentak @koen @gemeenteamsterdam @DeGroene @sicco @waag to be fair, recent European laws are as anti-monopolistic as they can get. The DMA is a good piece of legislation that, if implemented right, can really lower many of those barriers erected by those monopolies - from hostile approach towards 3rd-party integrations to the tyranny of the app stores.

IMHO you don’t have to explicitly encode incentive structures when you are dismantling existing barriers. The goal of dismantling barriers arbitrarily created by someone else (e.g. by E-E-E of open protocols like RSS/XMPP, by takeover of potential competitors, by hindering inter-operability, by opposing alternative clients/stores etc.) is to re-establish the level-playing field.

Once the level-playing field is restored, competitors have a fair access to the market again, and have market incentives to create e.g. alternative clients for Facebook, alternative app stores, social platforms that support cross-posting across walled gardens, experiment with alternative business models without having to compete with the established stalk-and-throw-ads monster, etc.

There’s demand for these things (the number of screenshots posted on walled gardens about stuff that happens on other walled gardens are a sad manifestation of such demand), there’s potentially supply to fullfil those demands too, the only thing that stands in between is a handful of monopolies who have no incentives in opening up.

You don’t need to give those monopolies incentives to stop monopolizing and implementing rent-seeking behaviour. You just need to hit them hard where it hurts them the most, because they will perceive any change from the status quo as a net loss and will oppose it with all the means they have.

The retreat of a monopoly is already a great incentive structure for competitors to fill in the gaps. The only additional incentives should probably be directed towards businesses and entities that instead embrace openness (sticking to the “pick the willing, not the winners” principle). And this is probably an area where the EU could do more (e.g. through direct investing into companies like Nextcloud or Fairphone, or funding to medium-sized Fediverse server admins), so they have a better chance of standing against multibillion companies and build credible alternatives.

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