orsinium, to github
@orsinium@fosstodon.org avatar

should make issues and discussions disabled by default when creating a new project. doesn't mean it comes with support or warranty (and all OSS licenses explicitly state that it doesn't) and you shouldn't expect individual developers (and especially newcomers that don't know what features and why they should disable) moderate communities around their projects, help everyone with everything, and fix all reported issues.

witchescauldron,

@orsinium this is a bad path to start down. Best not to step away from the and the native flow built into our traditions.

witchescauldron, to fediverse

and are clones of , a libertarian individualist codebase built to feed from our "communities". In this Lemmy etc are good step away from the but not radical left project beyond this first needed step.

are projects building to stride away from the current mess.

Hamishcampbell, to random

Let's look at the social and political ground the owners of our "new" social media stand on:

X (twitter) is far right
Threads (Facebook/Instagram) corporate right
Nostor Libertarian right

Mastodon centre left

That's it, we have no real left-wing social media, good to keep this in mind when supporting projects

Hamishcampbell,

@handle it's a clone of Reddit, which is a libertarian individualist codebase built to feed from our "communities". In this Lemmy etc are a good step away from the but not radical left project beyond this first needed step.

are projects building to stride away from the current mess.

andrasbacsai, to random
@andrasbacsai@fosstodon.org avatar

🌶️People are tired of being on 20+ Discord servers - me too. Each library has its server, and it is near impossible to keep it up.

Not sure if the UI or what makes a Telegram community better, but it is just better. 👀

Come join me and the other 80 people!

You can share what you are building, get valuable feedback, share your ups and downs, roast your app, or just chitchat about anything.

(I'm still open to suggestions for new topics!)

https://t.me/diydevs

witchescauldron,

@TomSeppert @andrasbacsai

Yes this shift has undermined one of the foundations of the loss of

Hamishcampbell, to ai

Thinking about harvesting our online text, it's the price (and delight) of , and this is what the is.

We are not doing projects, though you can use a non-commercial licence as a part of the to mediate this.

danhon, to random
@danhon@dan.mastohon.com avatar

employers are all telling staff "not to enter any work into AI tools" but at some point pretty much every text box is going to feed into AI, presumably the more specific part is "don't enter any work into generative AI text boxes” but again... how much longer until most text boxes are front-ends to generative AI if not right there, then elsewhere?

witchescauldron,

@danhon it's the price (and delight) of , and this is what the is.

We are not doing projects, though you can use a non-commercial CC licence as a part of the to mediate this.

witchescauldron, to random

We need to stop just using agenda and projects as if they were native they are often not.

In general, they take grassroots/activist native process and then systematize them as friendly, and thus agenda.

We way too often in a lazy way repeat them as "native" and thus shift what is native.

More shit to compost, please don't keep making this mess, thanks.

witchescauldron, to twitter

People who jump from and to new "ethical" are beyond prats. They are spreading noise were we need signal

Hamishcampbell, to mastodon
Hamishcampbell, (edited ) to opensource

and the wider are native project based on the people who try to "hardern" and "secure" this are completely missing where the value is at.

They are spreading and endangering real activists acting this way.

Media is "open" useing .

Anything that is not media should use encrypted p2p chat, there are many mature projects for this.

witchescauldron, (edited ) to random

@franklinlopez

The fedivers is all so should not be used for anything that should be P2P encrypted. It's important to keep this clear to users by not being focused on the fig leaf of "hardening" security as the is non it's a very successful open media network and it's value lies in this.

chrisg, to random
@chrisg@fosstodon.org avatar

[...] a massively decentralized Internet, consisting of a huge number of small communities, requires database management systems that are built from the ground up for the purpose.

The systems available today are built to support massive, centralized, owned datasets, at immense complexity and cost, with intentions that go against the principles of a free and open Internet.

witchescauldron,

@chrisg @mike805 @aral @laura

This is what etc are about, we are far into mess on this subject.

lmorchard, to random

A thing that maybe folks don't realize about ActivityPub & the fediverse:

ActivityPub is for publishing your activities. It's mainly designed to disseminate and spread things around. It's not really designed to keep things secret or compartmentalized.

There are copies of your stuff in lots of places. Your server purposefully sends your stuff to other servers. Even "direct messages" are just sort of a friendly agreement between servers and admins, not a private channel.

If you don't want what you say to end up in front of many eyes, don't use this network to say it.

witchescauldron,

@lmorchard yep it's a project based on the and people who try to "harder" and "secure" this are completely missing where the value is at.

And they are spreading and endangering real activists.

Media is "open" use ActivertyPub

Anything that is not media use encrypted p2p chat, there are many mature projects for this.

An interesting, and surprisingly dangerous useful path is bridging these. Good for "security" people to work on this.

Signal to noise is an issue.

shibacomputer, to fediverse
@shibacomputer@post.lurk.org avatar

In 2020, I published This is Fine: Optimism & emergency in the p2p network(https://newdesigncongress.org/en/pub/this-is-fine). It laid out a clear argument that the is irreparably vulnerable because of its p2p nature and political naivete:

"Anyone with administrator access to an Instance can read anything that travels through that Instance’s infrastructure – including direct messages. The level of risk correlates with the number of cross-Instance interactions between users. If users from different Instances communicate, an attacker need only compel one Instance to reveal the direct messages between all of the interacting accounts. [...] In a peer-to-peer network without encryption, there’s no structure, no agreed-upon governance, and absolutely no protection. Compromising or compelling an Instance or its staff means that all of network traffic is laid bare to its assailant. [...] The decentralised community seeks to antagonise a powerful status quo whilst making tradeoffs that do not acknowledge how societies directly threaten their communities."

Today, Kolektiva - a anti-colonial anarchist instance - announced an FBI raid of one of their admins, which included the seizure of an entire copy of the Kolektiva instance.

This is literally the kind of situation I warned about nearly three years ago.

https://kolektiva.social/@admin/110637031574056150

Hamishcampbell, (edited )

@shibacomputer you are not seeing the point. It's designed this is why it works.

What you wont to do is a different project () which is fine. Have you thought about doing a bridged companion project.

Both paths have value, but they are different.

Hamishcampbell,

@shibacomputer @bob

This text reads like a vanguardist path, based on reading and narrow thinking. It's missing the paths that hold value in horizontal activist paths we are taking but, yes, getting lost on in our the growing and wide spread of current diversity projects.

What it does highlight is the need for social and political thinking is needed, the is value there.

Can you see any of this feedback?

Hamishcampbell,

@shibacomputer @edsu @rm4
@bob
This mess you talk about is not solved by more tech we already have most of what we need.

  • Open media is based on trust, the current ActivertyPub is a relatively good example of this.

  • Privacy is encrypted p2p chat, which the are meany good mature projects you can find

The change we need is social, getting people to use the different approaches for different needs, this is surprisingly difficult.

Bridges while dangerous are needed.

witchescauldron,

@bob @Hamishcampbell @shibacomputer

It's hard to stress how "niave" meany devs on the are after 15 years is exactly what I have been saying for 20 years.

is about building human trust, hard security is a very slightly overlapping but easy to see different path for building non "trust" based connections.

Some surprisingly hard to build bridges might help with this ongoing mess.

Hamishcampbell,

@bob @shibacomputer @edsu @rm4 @bob

Yes at the moment as it's a based on the you have very low barrier to running or even developing an instance this is where the value is.

Adding security generally makes a HUGE barriers to Dev and running an instance.

The has no idea of the damage they do when pushing there "common sense". This creates a signal to noise issue that has been blocking alt for 20 years.

Just stop comes to mind

witchescauldron, to fediverse

was an "accidental" reboot, it exists because the turned up at the meeting did not find anything useful for themselves so left the “weirdos” to get on with building a aproch. The “weirdos” manage to hold things together long enough to get the standard through the open but burocratic process and pushed it out to the world.

witchescauldron,

Sadly the last few years we have fallen into the normal “libertarian cats” path, and it’s looking like this reboot will be devoured… not a BAD outcome as they are eating this project which will become a part of the needed shift in .

But it’s not an outcome meany of us who wonted, we are building real alts.

The needs composting rather than reforming :slight_smile:

Hamishcampbell, to random

A whole load of non "owned" social tech projects on grassroots social subject/path of course things like this only work with shared values

And the current core standard is also needed to escape the that comes so "naturally".

witchescauldron, to random

In the era of and people who are the needed social change in tech are criminals, that are playing an active role in the genocide of our societies and peoples due to social and ecological breakdown.

We have different paths in place are working examples of social tech tools to mediate away from this criminality.

Take a moment to step away, take a breath, think, then act. Don't be a prat, thanks

Hamishcampbell, to tech

@NGIZero @sovtechfund

Our current crap funding and agendas are a part of this extinction level event https://news.sky.com/story/world-has-lost-battle-to-stop-glaciers-melting-and-sea-level-rising-un-meteorological-chief-says-12898899

The last 20 years of has obviously been both pushing this problem and doing almost nothing to stop it. On the tech side, we are still being prats on his.

Please think about this , thanks.

Hamishcampbell, (edited ) to random

In the era of and people who are the needed social change in tech are criminals, that are playing an active role in the genocide of our societies and peoples due to social and ecological breakdown.

We have different paths in place are working examples of social tech tools to mediate away from this criminality.

Take a moment to step away, take a breath, think then act. Don't be a prat, thanks

witchescauldron, to random

I find people to be actually mad and increasingly bad. When do we get more people pushing change challenge in these spaces, please?

Am increasingly seeing this as a culture of fear, or more real as a culture of fear pushed as power politics.

Hamishcampbell,

@witchescauldron Am thinking meany people will be confused and likely mix signal with noise on this subject.

Who are the bad people, the powerless pushing the on the or the powerful Burocrats worshipping the while protecting there thin careers in the

If you find yourself agenst the first and defending the second, then you are the problem.

This makes your behaver noise.

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