so (decentralized?) #bluesky rolled out an iOS app before they added a second server, right after #substack rolled out notes and media companies started talking about leaving Twitter. it exists to serve Twitter and is a delaying tactic against the #fediverse. same with #nostr.
what we're building here is a threat to all entrenched wealth and power. it will remove all unearned influence over our attention. it enables people power like the world has never seen before. they should be afraid.
I feel like I've largely rebuilt the community I had on Twitter over here on #Mastodon and am just not interested in #BlueSky right now. I'm honestly disappointed that they deliberately chose not to have #ActivityPub compatibility. Also, I don't really trust Jack, either. He very intentionally pushed for Elon taking over Twitter. Going to BlueSky seems sort of like falling for your ex again because they changed their name from Brianna to Bri and started wearing a leather jacket.
Let's also not forget that #BlueSky and #Nostr are still a Hail Mary pass attempt at finding a way to keep #crypto going. Instead of $8/mo for a blue check, you can drop some crypto. Is this really a better vision for the future of social media?
Us, continuing to go down the path of centralization round a brand (#mastodon) is a disaster for the #Fediverse and the danger of the irrelevance of Mastodon itself as it then has no clear advantage over #dotcons masked #bluesky and #Nostr - who can play the tech is better card.
I've been thinking: what about using DMs over #nostr for non-central 1-on-1 texting, and IRCv3 or similar for everything else? IRCv3 with decentralized identity, perhaps with a contact-attestation system, could be pretty good for communities, especially with some features like custom emoji, name colors and/or role system (mostly for display/contact), free-form display names, and avatars.
My recent toying with IRCv3 via libera.chat has proven underwhelming.
— Decentralized
Like #Mastodon, #Bluesky intents to be decentralized. This means that not Bluesky as a company will be part of it, but others can also join in.
The exciting part is that this is happening on multiple levels: where your data is stored, and how your feed is composed for your timeline.
Note: Right now the devs are working hard on making this happen, while currently everyone invited is on the same server.
Before anyone starts being anti-capitalism, your writing your reply on, you’re most likely living in a capitalistic world. That’s another topic, but everything in moderation.
— Jack Dorsey
Ex-CEO and founder of #Twitter is indeed a board member of #BlueskySocial. He is also investing in #Nostr. While he advices #Bluesky, it is run by CEO Jay Graber. She insisted on spinning of Bluesky as a company from Twitter a few years back. This is also when they got their initial funding.
I hope we’ll see more third party apps of devs that worked on their #Mastodon clients also consider #BlueskySocial as a potential place to earn fame and money.
Who knows in the future we’ll might see some more collaboration between the various decentralized protocols from #Bluesky, #Nostr, #Farcaster and #ActivityPub. It really is hard to predict the future and the relevance of each while all the players are relatively small.
Right now they also seem to cater to specific groups of people.
@rolle if I understood correctly you will have your own data both locally and remote. A private/public key system to ensure only you have control and can restore it on another data repository.
I anticipate it won’t be compatible. Maybe it can work somewhat like the #Nostr bridge for #Fediverse, but haven’t looked at it.
We’ll need to wait and see how everything beyond the AT protocol develops and if the front/backends will be released as open-source.
It’s not just for profit, they actually have had ActivityPub expertise when deciding on this route.
This is the way it has always been in IT. When an existing solution isn’t a silver bullet, new potential solutions arise, fail, merge, etc. It’s evolution.
I have a question about the #nostr protocol that I cannot find an answer to. How does the system handle pile on abuse from coordinated attackers? Like, say someone doesn't like an LGBTQIA+ person (I know, unheard of!). Say they get 100 of their friends to also pile on. What's to stop them from creating dozens of fake accounts (each) and targeting the individual with virulent hate?
Here, the answer is mod tools for inter-server operation. If we see this locally, we IP block. If we see it remotely, we defederate until they IP block. In Nostr you... make a new account? Like, I can't find a serious answer to the issues of pile on harassment. Is there one?
Plus the dev behind #Nostr("fiatjaf") stating "leftism is a disease" in his bio...
What a cesspool.
"#Soapbox is developed by a massive #TERF, boyfriend/husband to the founder, and co-founder of the transphobic, radical "feminist" hate-platform spinster.xyz. This is where all the TERFs migrated after the reddit ban of /r/gendercritical, /r/LGBdroptheT, ..."
Twitter could've implemented lightning tips, or honestly payments of literally any kind YEARS ago. But they didn't. Why?
#Nostr on the other hand has accomplished this in no time, and everyone who has experienced it immediately feels what a big deal this is... but why exactly?
Numerous features implemented in Nostr could've been on Twitter all this time.
• Do you think it's because they didn't want to?
• Was it too technically difficult, even though Nostriches pulled it off in a matter of days or weeks?
Of course not, it was POLITICALLY infeasible. Remember how Facebook spent years and bookoos of capital trying to create a whole new currency just to enable it because there was no chance of doing it with dollars? They were even dragged before Congress to explain why they would do such a thing as enable payments on social media! How dare they! It was easily squashed despite the fact that the list of those backing it was essentially a Who's Who of Silicon Valley fintech.
And what did the Twitter Files teach us? That not only would the suffocating regulatory environment make tips and payments on social media virtually impossible, but the political leviathan refused to even allow them to freely TWEET to their followers! Intelligence agencies were both funding social censorship & had direct communication channels to shut down people's accounts, shadow ban, & ensure that "unapproved" opinions simply can't travel through the network.
Like @@e88a691e98d9987c964521dff60025@mostr.pub said, "this has the power to monetize dissent." Consider the insane power of sharing an "unapproved" opinion to millions of people and being directly rewarded with 1000s, maybe 10s of thousands of private, instant payments while the post has unfiltered, free flow to every last user in the network.
No more "donation services" or "patreons" that take 10% and will preemptively shut down anything remotely against the establishment. No more Go fund Me's fuck stealing millions going to protestors to donate to a "charity of their choice." They are all immediately redundant & pointless.
Instead we are walking into a world with unfiltered, free flowing information and unfiltered free flowing money.
The simple fact is that no large, centralized social platform of any kind CAN do what Nostr does so easily. Because they have a gun to their head & they know it.
This is the 10x value add that is going to wake people up, and it's going to start with ALL the dissenters. We need to find all of them and bring them here.
The simple ability to have direct access to millions of followers, and be able receive payments and tips from them directly, unfiltered, untaxed, with no middle man & no authority whatever involved...
They are afraid as FUCK of that power. And they absolutely should be. Think of what a staggering problem the mere existence of someone like Joe Rogan has presented in the past couple of years. Now consider they attacked him through his network, his advertisers, his payment processors, and a huge targeted propaganda campaign (and fucking LOST despite, 🤣). Now think about the 1000s of others we watched get attacked, banned, deplatformed, canceled, etc...
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Now imagine the past 3 years done over again, except without any of that being possible anymore...
Guys, we are right in the fucking middle of the revolution. It's right now.
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#Nostr feels like the dev didn't understand #SecureScuttlebutt and tried to "fix" it anyway.
He didn't get the chaining of messages and why peer to peer was worth the hassle, so all the metadata are left in the open (who speaks to whom, and even the message length), you have to use the same relay to speak to someone…
And all the hard problems that took years of discussing them before being implemented in #ssb, nostr people are like "we'll just throw bitcoin at it and it will solve everything". 🙃