183231bcb, to fediverse

What's the status of federation between Lemmy/KBin and Misskey/Sharkey/Firefish/Iceshrimp? I just tried loading several Lemmy and Kbin posts in Sharkey and it doesn't work. I remember having the same issue with Firefish, and I vaguely recall hearing awhile back it was something related to authorized fetch. Have their been any recent developments on that front?

testing,
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@183231bcb
lemmy posts are not visible on the *keys > regarding kbin: it depends - adding a link on kbin will result in invisibility on the *keys > every other kbin post type (thread, post, photo) should appear on *keys timelines

rain,

@183231bcb As someone hosting both Iceshrimp and Kbin:

  • Iceshrimp to Kbin Microblog seems to work if Authorized Fetch is off! Update: Iceshrimp to Kbin Microblog seems to work again, even with Authorized Fetch: Update 2: Nope, broken again. I have no clue tbh ​:neocat_glare_sob:​
  • Kbin Microblog to Iceshrimp works regardless!
  • Following Kbin Magazines? This tends to not work.
  • Following users? Yes, that works!
reiver, (edited ) to random
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

UX problem with Join-Lemmy.org

@fediverseux

“We need a better site to link to than join-lemmy.org. It should concisely pitch lemmy to everyday users and suggest an instance for them to sign up at. Don’t get into the weeds about federation or choosing instances or selecting apps. Just select a sane default and point people to it. Rotate defaults to avoid overloading a given instance or making it too powerful.”

https://lemmy.ml/comment/4353933

https://lemm.ee/post/9881418

reiver,
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

@thisismissem @fediverseux @makeasnek

I think there would have been less controversy if the official Mastodon app would had sent the user to a random general Mastodon server with open sign-ups, rather than only to mastodon.social .

(I asked some of the people who were upset over it if they would still be upset under the alternative scenario I just described — at least the ones I talked to said "no".)

thisismissem,
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@reiver @fediverseux @makeasnek right but you can't guarantee safety & user experience on instances you don't control.

reiver, to fediverse
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

I have been trying out the Jerboa app for Lemmy.

I am having trouble bringing up communities that I know exist.

I try searching for them in different ways, yet it doesn't work.

I have had this experience with multiple communities.

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reiver,
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I had to go onto the website to make each of the communities show up (so that I could subscribe to each of them).

eblu, to fediverse
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shopping for / / instances—anyone have any recommendations?

gavi,
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@eblu theres also discuss.online which is nice and smaller as well. mines more focused on local communities that are reading and writing if thats more your style, but it isnt for everyone and you can browse it on pretty much any other instance

theres also some good tools to find new communities specifically lemmyverse.net and the community !trendingcommunities which has a bot that posts daily communities

lemmy is still in development but it has a lot of good stuff going for it rn

chall8908,

@eblu I've been on kbin.social (the main kbin instance) for a while and it's been working well. I prefer the kbin UI over lemmy and I think that's really the only reason to pick one over the other at this point.

db0, (edited ) to random
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The fediblock account is stopping operation because mastodon.art retaliated against their parent instance with silencing because of a credible report deduplication by @fediblock for .art , until the admin behind the fediblock account steps down from their own instance? And that admin is actually quitting the fediverse? WHAT?!

Mastodon has some wild drama I'll tell you... I'm glad I'm a addict instead.

BeAware,
@BeAware@social.beaware.live avatar

@db0 To be fair, most drama directly related to masto fedi would be gone if .art wouldn't think they have the right to control all of the fedi.

Most masto fedi drama is started and fueled directly by .art

I'd be willing to bet that just saying this will get me a reply from someone defending it. I don't really care, it's just petty and childish.

BeAware,
@BeAware@social.beaware.live avatar

@victor it's childish as hell. Just look at their rule list. If you don't block the same people they do, BLOCKED! So I did them a favor a week after I started my instance by defederating🤷🏻‍♂️fuck em. I don't need that shit.

reiver, to kbin
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

By default Kbin doesn't turn on captchas for new user account registrations.

Kbin and Lemmy servers have had problems with bots creating accounts.

Having captchas off by default seems risky to me. And a potential headache for a new Kbin sysop who is still getting familiar with Kbin.

To create a better experience for Kbin sysops, is going to turn on captchas by default for Kbin servers.

(You can turn it off if you really don't want it.)

reiver, (edited ) to fediverse
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I have a new Kbin server.

I am going to document my experience as a new Kbin user and sysop.

Note that I already have experience as a Lemmy user & sysop. Some of that experience may be applicable here, too — but we will see.

🧵

reiver,
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

Kbin seems to support something called:

Mercure
https://mercure.rocks/
https://mercure.rocks/spec

I don't think I have ever heard of Mercure before, but —

There is a setting to turn it on or off in the Admin Panel (at "/admin/settings").

It was already on — so on by default it seems.

reiver, (edited )
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

BTW — it isn't clear to me how I should be casing the name of this software.

• kbin — with everything lowercase?
• KBin — with the "K" and "B" uppercase?
• Kbin — with just the "K" uppercase?

...

Originally I wrote it as "kbin". But now I'm seeing "Kbin" used. But I often write "KBin" because that is how I pronounce it.

stopthatgirl7, to kbin
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Y’know, I really wanted to like , and , but they really are as toxic as Reddit - the gaming groups at least.

It would be nice to find a gaming group that’s not infected with assholes, but I feel like that’s asking too much, because Gamers are the worst.

Altho it’s not just the gaming groups. There’s a level of nastiness I wasn’t expecting going in after being on Mastodon. Mastodon has the HOA and Well Actually mansplainers, but some folks are just dicks on the .

indieterminacy,

@stopthatgirl7 Been enjoying Moon Channel's gaming themed videos:
https://yewtu.be/channel/UCHhnS5M4EeNduNu5vP80L0w

Perhaps if you scan for any micro communities around that you will find friendly and interesting types.

box464, to fediverse
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The administrators of BeeHaw are considering moving on from Lemmy to a yet to be selected platform, citing a multitude of issues with the current state of development on the Lemmy project.

https://beehaw.org/post/7776438

box464,
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@freakazoid I can see the article while logged in to the site, but linking to it doesn't work. Thinking it's locked down to local users only. Can't really quote post it because it's really long. Hmm...

emmaaum,
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@freakazoid I have an account on Beehaw. Can try to answer some questions. Moving won't be soon, if it does happen. MANY tech issues and the time they take to fix are one of the reasons.
The core group came from another platform, wanted to set up a safer community and chose Lemmy for their platform. Which worked until the Reddit-influx exacerbated every tech and non-tech problem with Lemmy.

@box464

reiver, to kbin
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

The Threadiverse already has Lemmy & Kbin.

But I think many people aren't aware of Prismo.

https://gitlab.com/prismosuite/prismo

Prismo is a link-sharing sharing and aggregation platform similar to Reddit, Lobste.rs, and Hacker News.

I.e., similar to both Lemmy & Kbin.

Its development started back in June 2018. But it isn't ready for production yet. It also looks like its development stalled back in May 2019.

reiver, to fediverse
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

"Twitter and Reddit may have only lost a few million users to Mastodon and Lemmy so far, but these are nation-sized numbers, comparable to what Scandinavia is to the United States of America. The incumbents have allowed the fediverse to reach critical mass. It's only gonna get bigger"

⸺ Erlend Sogge Heggen ( @erlend )

https://blog.erlend.sh/transitioning-r-rust-to-the-threadiverse

erlend,
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@db0 @reiver I think that must be a browser plugin or some other client-side funny business going on, because on my end I’m seeing the original instance links.

db0,
@db0@hachyderm.io avatar

@erlend @reiver Ah you're right, I forgot my Universal Link Switcher also dynamically rewrites lemmy urls everywhere :D

symfonystation, to kbin
@symfonystation@phpc.social avatar

We are now on /kbin as Symfony Station. It is a Reddit-like Symfony-based link sharing platform on the Fediverse / Threadiverse. Please join and follow us at https://kbin.social/u/symfonystation We also moderate the Symfony Magazine. https://kbin.social/m/Symfony Follow it as well.

strypey, to fediverse
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Flarum has been funded by NlNet for a 2.0 release that includes federation. Rough ETA at this point is "next year":

https://discuss.flarum.org/d/32812-the-future-of-flarum-in-2023-balancing-open-source-and-success/45

I'm guessing the progress in ActivityPub support in Discourse and GitLab, and the emergence of threadiverse, will all be adding both motivation and complexity to the job of adding federation support to Flarum.

reiver, to fediverse
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

There is a discussion going on on Lemmy about what people think the future of Lemmy (and the Threadiverse part of the Fediverse) will be.

Some of the comments are interesting.

https://lemmy.world/post/4349778

strypey,
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz avatar

@maegul
> masto users would benefit from being able to use and engage with communities/groups in a meaningful way

Agreed. But federated groups are challenging for a whole bunch of reasons. For a start, there are different ways of conceptualising and implementing grouping, and folks are only just starting to explore these. It would really help if there were some high-level docs laying all the possible group types, and detailed docs of all the existing group implementation.

(1/2)

@reiver

strypey,
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strypey, (edited ) to fediverse
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Anyone who was worried about the political views of the Lemmy core devs;

"The Lemmy devs have welcomed many new contributors on GitHub, demonstrating a highly collaborative disposition."

"lemmy.ml, the canonical instance run by the Lemmy core devs, has become more diverse and less extreme on the fringes."

"I'm happy to report that a soft-forking initiative seems completely unwarranted at this time."

@erlend

https://blog.erlend.sh/transitioning-r-rust-to-the-threadiverse

kritikaPensulo,
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@strypey
Their extreme political views were a red flag but that’s not the real problem. It’s their extremely controlling moderation style that’s a problem. Worse than Reddit they way they rampantly delete absolutely civil content by those without extreme views. And then how they delete mod logs to cover up their moderation acts. It’s despicable. It’s not the sort of thing you could reasonably expect them to change.

The good recent change is there are now many nutter-free instances.
@erlend

strypey,
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@kritikaPensulo
> they rampantly delete absolutely civil content by those without extreme views

So I've heard. But if people have...

> extreme political views

... this is more of a problem when they're gatekeeping the community developing the software, than just moderating one instance of it.

FWIW as @erlend said in the linked blog piece;

"lemmy.ml, the canonical instance run by the Lemmy core devs, has become more diverse and less extreme on the fringes."

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