If there isn’t much cross-platform engagement between the #threadiverse and #mastodon, and Reddit migrants leave because of insufficient activity … is this a failure of sorts of the #fediverse ?
I’m leaning yes. If cross-platform activity is essentially irrelevant but more of a minor awkward perk at times then the fediverse doesn’t exist (yet) at the level of being a social media platform or space.
Instead, it’s a tool for FOSS platforms to scale through decentralisation.
Generally, I'm probing at the possibility that too much is made of the protocol and not enough of the importance of getting the software right, not just specifically to a particular platform, but globally, in terms of the overall structures and designs of the platforms that are being built.
I think we might agree here somewhat.
Otherwise, you highlight that much activity occurs over the protocol. But that's between similar platforms. Lemmy<->Masto?
Lemmy has quotes.
/kbin has quotes.
Akkoma has quotes.
MissKey has quotes.
CalcKey has quotes.
Friendica has quotes.
Hubzilla has quotes.
(streams) has quotes.
The various dead projects between Hubzilla and (streams) all have quotes.
Just a few examples.
Pretty much only Mastodon and Pleroma don't have quotes.
Ok, so the #reddit#migration is entering a pivotal moment. Subreddits will come back online soon and those who’ve made the migration will be tempted to go back.
Whether they stay on #lemmy/#kbin will probably be determined by how much activity they have.
If you care about the fediverse, you may want to make sure you show up and engage with our new members.
If the 10M members of the fediverse at large counts for something, the #threadiverse should feel it right now.
@Chris Trottier @Mark Prior Welp, registered accounts aren't necessarily active accounts. And I wouldn't wonder if the majority of accounts on #MastodonSocial are dead left-behinds of people who have long since moved elsewhere, especially now that moving has become so much more convenient.
Top three #lemmy instances (lemmy.ml, lemmy.world, beehaw.org) are all basically the same size.
With #kbin 's kbin.social and fedia.io (run by infosec.exchange) in the same range.
I experienced it today looking for #NBA communities for the #nbaplayoffs , and it seems the biggest community right now (after literally 1day) is on lemmy.world not lemmy.ml
the threadiverse is a new colloquial name for Kbin, Lemmy, BrutaLinks, Prismo and any other fediverse software that implements a "link aggregator" type interface that has been popularized by the likes of SlashDot, Digg, Reddit, Hacker News, Lobsters etc
kbin.social is struggling under the load today, just like mastodon.social does every few months when musksite does some other stupid thing. Give it time, many former reddit communities are already establishing themselves in the new "threadiverse".
I managed to create an account, @ivanvector, but federation doesn't seem to be working all that well right now.
As a (former) Reddit user, I just joined #Kbin to watch and help support the potential #RedditMigration coming from that platform. Here is me there: @tchambers
And I just supported @ernest the creator of the platform, and so should you: suspect next week he will need all the support the Fedi can give.
I followed a few lemmy communities from mastodon and they have pretty quickly taken up the majority of my timeline. The amount of writing going on in the #threadiverse rn is pretty incredible
Blahaj zone (the Calckey instance) has been running for around 6 months now. We've had a slow but constant growth of new members, with a big spike when Calckey drew a lot of attention. And as a result, even though we're not a huge instance, we are one of the larger Calckey derived instances around.
lemmy.blahaj.zone on the other hand has seen crazy growth! In the last week, our lemmy instance has gone from almost no members, to nearly as many users as our Calckey instance. The mind blowing part though, is that the lemmy instance isn't even close to being one of the largest lemmy instances. We don't even appear on the first page of Fediverse Observer! And the sheer number of lemmy instances online now is huge compared to where it was a couple of weeks ago.
And that's before we even talk about kbin and the threadiverse as a whole, of which Lemmy is only a part
I can honestly say that this whole thing has shifted my view of just what the future of the fediverse might be. I assumed it would always be microblogging centric, but now, I question that...
Is there something here about the intersecting dynamics between platforms and communities? Like, if the needs/desires of a community lead to alternative platform choices, does that community have more of a chance of thriving in an ecosystem with less of a dominant platform and central instance? Even though the "threadiverse" is basically #lemmy + #kbin, they're not at all dominant on the fediverse, and so most probably know about other things like mastodon etc, while how many mastodon users know about anything else?
I think there's interesting questions about whether "thrediverse" platforms (those more like forums/reddit than twitter, IE, the start with conversation threads rather than following users) are a better fit on the fediverse.
For one, there's the engagement problem. Arguably it's easier to find people when spaces based on interests are the essential structure.
Second, I wonder if it smooths over federation issues better by "chunking" what's seen and visible at a larger scale, that is at the community/sub-reddit/group level. I don't actually know how true this is technically, but I would imagine that once you follow a community/magazine on lemmy/kbin, you and your instance see everything from that community, not just some arbitrary sub-sample of replies like with microblogging.
Third, given the above, it maybe allows one to be more accurate when they say "it doesn't matter what instance you join"
Fourth ... there's a counter dynamic here which is that a community/group requires a certain threshold of activity to be compelling, which can be tough to get off of the ground. This is where /kbin is interesting as it fuses both microblogging and "threading" ... which IMO is the master format for a platform ATM.
Even though the "threadiverse" is basically #lemmy + #kbin, they're not at all dominyant on the fediverse
This is the part that I believe might change. I've seen several people effectively move from micro blogging to the threadiverse, as well as many people who never used twitter, and who are experiencing the fediverse for the first time through kbin or lemmy.
Combine that with the crazy growth of those spaces even before reddit shuts down the APIs makes me wonder if micro blogging might end up being "one of the features" rather than the default feature.> I don't actually know how true this is technically, but I would imagine that once you follow a community/magazine on lemmy/kbin, you and your instance see everything from that community, not just some arbitrary sub-sample of replies like with microblogging.
Bingo! And due to the dedicated interface, you're not trying to find a reply from amongst a timeline, but you instead have a sorted listed of threads, with the whole context right there at a click. It makes it much easier to drop in to a conversation that happened when you were asleep etc.
It's not as personal, so it doesn't give you the same "connecting with friends/audience" feeling that microblogging does, but by the same token, that makes it easier to drop in and out of without any existing history or connection to the space. > This is where /kbin is interesting as it fuses both microblogging and "threading" ... which IMO is the master format for a platform ATM
I agree! That is a killer feature. I am hoping that there is a way of changing the interface on the microblog posts to thread them in with the main posts, rather than hiding them away on a distinct tab, but either way, having both options there is fantastic! That is the killer feature of kbin, and also the reason that some people have been able to leave dedicated microblogging platforms in favour of kbin
So, is it time now for "spread mastodon/fediverse" to adapt somewhat and spread the "#Threadiverse" (my moniker, fediverse for reddit-like platforms, eg #Lemmy and #kbin)
@fediversenews another factor in this is just how much more capable Reddit users might be of mounting a mass migration.
Unlike Twitter, which is essentially individualist with a big corp umbrella, Reddit is more driven by voluntary community activity through sub-Reddit creation and management, and users more accustomed to moving sub-reddits.