fedi

@fedi@masto.ai

I post mostly about the fediverse. Formerly on Mastodon.Technology

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freakazoid, to random
@freakazoid@retro.social avatar

Have you considered WHY Meta is having Fediverse admins sign an NDA?

How much do you want to bet it's because they're going to pay them to federate, and in the case of Eugen and Dansup to add features to the software that benefit them? Life-changing money for Eugen and Dansup is pocket change for Meta. The only way we can counter that is through solidarity.

fedi,

@freakazoid agree with your sentiments.

One caveat is that whilst Gargron has not been the best of communicators 'to the fediverse as a whole' over the years he has mostly been on 'our' side.

I don't trust Meta and I don't trust anyone to be able to resist a large cheque from them but Gargron should not be lumped into the same category as Meta - not yet at least.

Also fedi 'is different'. If the worst comes to the worst it has safeguards, (Foss, defederations, moving instance etc.) built in.

fedi,

@selea
https://beach.city/@vantablack/110565941741382039

fedi,

@Jaluvshuskies yes federation is when users on a kbin website(instance) can talk to users on a totally different kbin instance. The protocol used is called ActivityPub.

But more than that it is also when a kbin user can talk to a lemmy user. Both are parts of the threadiverse (before kbin it was mostly called the lemmyverse).

The microverse (more usually called mastodon) can also interact with the threadiverse because of federation using ActivityPub.

In fact this reply is from a mastodon

liaizon, to fediverse
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

What is a Fediverse Galaxy?

As more and more instances are providing multiple services under the same management, we need a term to talk about this type of arrangement. A Fediverse Galaxy is a collection of federated software that is provided by the same admin or collective.

posted to the [@fediverse Lemmy group]
#fediverse #FediverseGalaxies #FediDev

fedi,

@liaizon
this is a really good idea. Say providing a mastodon, lemmy, funkwhale, pixelfed, peertube etc. to all users. I think any communities that do this in an organised fashion would gain a lot of new users..... but it is a lot of work. Would love to see mastodon.art do this.

fedi, to reddit

As thousands of mods defy reddit and keep their subreddits dark reddit appear to be taking substantial actions with reports of mods being stripped of their positions and subreddits handed to more compliant mods.

As long as you are on reddit, reddit will always control the 'root' account.

/r/piracy and /r/startrek which famously opened lemmies have now been co-erced into opening back up.

https://reddark.untone.uk/

further links in reply....

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siege, to random

Day 2: Most Lemmy Instance Admins havent yet seemed to learn that they need to defederate from several hundred badfaith instances out there. Their users certainly are very unaware that they're currently wide open in the sea with zero blocklists and some people seem to be trying to suggest its a good thing not to defederate from ANY instances which is oh so very sus.

Im sure this is going to go well.

Beehaw, the Lemmy instance that seems to have its act together the most put out a message stating they were blocking several communities on certain other Lemmy Instances, as well as 400+ instances on the fediverse.

This as you might imagine has caused great shock to many lemmy users, how can you be a fediverse if you defederate from so many instances? I didnt even know there were 400 lemmy isntances that cant be true, theres only 192 lemmy instances, what do you mean theres other instances beyond lemmy and kbin? Surely the good people of cum dot camp have wonderful things to contribute to our discussion threads! this is censorship! and it will tear the lemmy community apart before its even begun. Woe! and so forth.

The learning has not yet begun, honestly i dont actually understand what all the troll pleroma instances are waiting for, its free real estate.

fedi,

@siege I can't see the 'threadiverse quieting down anytime soon.

From what I can see there are a lot of very active, very opinionated new people who have just crash-landed in the fediverse and the years of slow development and maturation that Mastodon went through will have to happen all over again.

Compared to mastodon the threadiverse is very loud.

atomicpoet, to reddit
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

Android Authority doesn’t get it.

Compared to , sucks. And so does . We all know that.

The isn’t about any app being better than Reddit. It’s about a company that’s grown on the backs of volunteer labour now claiming ownership of that labour.

Reddit didn’t write those posts, draw those illustrations, make those videos. We did.

And Reddit sure as hell didn’t create those communities, nurture them, and moderate them. We did.

I agree with tech writers who say that the average person just “wants their memes”. But Reddit never made those memes. We did.

Content might be king. But who makes content? We do.

I have no doubt that the average person just wants content. But while we might be providing content for free, we’re not dancing monkeys. Who decides why content is made, how it’s made, and where it exists? We do.

The Fediverse doesn’t exist merely as an engine for content. It exists so that people can share what they love.

Why are people coming to the Fediverse specifically? Because we rightfully see ActivityPub as insurance for our content – which, again, is made by and for us.

Not Reddit. Not Big Social. Us.

If I’m giving my content away for free, then so long as it is federated, no one company can own it – putting up gates, demanding payment for my work. Instead, my work is out there, living on 24,000 nodes that presently exist.

Android Authority might dismiss this as “suffering the same fate” – what fate they perceive, I don’t know. But to me, the true “suffering” is when a company like Reddit claims ownership of my work, locking 3rd party developers out from API access.

For this reason, I’m locking Reddit out from my work.

Perhaps the author of this post, Dhruv Bhutani, doesn’t consider that he’s writing for a, well, blog. And that this blog exists on its own domain, with its own design, as its own property. He could have written this entire post on Reddit, but he didn’t.

Why? I suspect it’s because he believes his work has value, and Reddit simply doesn’t give him what he believes is his worth.

Same deal with me. I’m not looking to get paid for my work on Reddit. I do it for fun – always have. But if I’m doing something for fun, it’s still going to be on my terms.

Not all of us creatives are willing to be a cog in Big Social’s machine. That’s why I’m here on the Fediverse right now. I don’t give a damn whether the average person just wants memes. I create for me.

So yeah, Lemmy and Kbin suck. I can live with that – they will both improve. And I have no doubt that, with time, they might prove to be better than Reddit.

But this isn’t about how good Lemmy or Kbin are. Nor is this about the insatiable appetite for memes.

This is about my need to create on my terms – and I’m not alone here.

Decentralization is the killer feature here.

https://www.androidauthority.com/reddit-alternatives-lemmy-3335429/

@fediversenews

fedi,

@atomicpoet how terrible to suffer the same fate as mastodon:

12,500,735 accounts
+2,597 in the last hour
+64,969 in the last day
+283,802 in the last week

source:
https://mastodon.social/@mastodonusercount/110555668394528723

fedi, to fediverse

follow @newcommunities for details of new communities popping up in the threadiverse/lemmyverse

fedi, to fediverse

Stux has set up a new lemmy

https://u.fail

fedi, to fediverse

Interested in setting up your own lemmy?

Managed lemmy hosting:
https://elest.io/open-source/lemmy

fedi,

@liaizon not sure, I think maybe a d.i.y. vps would be less than half the price.

evan, (edited ) to random
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

"Mitigating the risk of extinction from AI should be a global priority alongside other societal-scale risks such as pandemics and nuclear war."

fedi,

@evan There are risks from AI.... if and when it does come into being... hundreds if not thousands of years into the future.

What we have now is impressive but is not intelligence -not even close - it is mis-named.

The coming into being of AI might well be of similar magnitude to the emergence of life and the outcomes equally unpredictable - but worrying excessively about it now is unnecessary.

fedi, to random

Web sites weren't supposed to be representative of your personality. For years dot com, dot net and dot org were enough for everyone.

"I'd like to abandon all pretense of being professional"

"just DM me at plump-squirrel at foraging dot now"

Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged.

These are REAL websites run by REAL people:

blahaj dot zone
MEOW dot social
toot dot cafe
GODFORSAKEN dot website

They have played us for absolute fools.

fedi,

@wiredfire it's a meme

futurebird, to bluesky
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

So has all the same moderation issues of the rest of the fediverse... but without the benefit of being independent and not-for-profit?

Nor with the "place where everyone is" -ness of the old twitter?

What is the benefit then?
Is it mostly just easier to use?

If it drains more people from twitter making that place more dead good enough.

fedi,

@futurebird

"If it drains more people from twitter making that place more dead good enough."

I suspect unfortunately the point of Bluesky is to drain people from the fediverse, not from Twitter, thereby weakening the decentralised social space through needless fragmentation.

Pretty hard to prove that that is what they're up to.

Twitter has funded Bluesky significantly and has a multi-billion dollar revenue stream to protect.

baldur, to random
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

I wish I was more optimistic about large language models, but everything I’m seeing at the moment leads me to think that the best case scenario is a massive acceleration of Silicon Valley’s worst instincts and an ongoing degradation of our software ecosystem.

fedi,

@baldur I hold out the hope that free and open source will predominate in the space democratising it at least to some extent.

If that doesn't happen and Microsoft(with ChatGPT), Google, Facebook and others 'own' the space, I agree, it will be a catastrophe.

There have already been some rumblings about some code being open-sourced.

Since at least 20 billion has been privately invested so far they're unlikely to give up without a fight though.

fedi, to linux

I'm becoming more convinced that there is a 'gap in the market' for a distro to grab maybe 50 million desktops or more from MS/Apple.

If it adheres to the following:

  • free to download - revenue could be from cloud storage, email, tech support for companies etc.

  • consistency - desktop OSes in the 2020s don't need to change every few months - pick a set of standards and stick to them. eg: gnome, standard package manager etc

  • vastly reduced choice of software - this is key ....

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fedi,

The single biggest hurdle to 'Linux on the Desktop' is confusion. Noobs do an online search and are overwhelmed with way to much info - twenty-five different ways to do the same thing, stuff like: 'oh just clone this github repo' etc.

So just have a locked down system that doesn't expose much choice to the end-user. Choice of maybe two web browsers, one file manager, one desktop, one suite of office software etc.

Power-users can do what they want.

fedi, to random

Seeing a thread dissing open source source software is strange.

It's the single most important pillar holding back the complete domination by Big Tech over the average person's tech environment.

In the absence of meaningful regulation of Big Tech it might be the only pillar.

Without free and open source software the 98% hold Big Tech has would be 100%.

fedi, to bluesky

The notion of being promoted as a benevolent, open, decentralised standard for the social web never did add up:

  • it was funded by Twitter which stands to lose a 44Bn market share if an open, decentralised alternative thrives

  • it dilutes an already existing and thriving incumbent: the fediverse (which uses a different protocol: ActivityPub)

  • it was secretive about its project, the exact opposite of what an open standard requires

Conclusion: Bluesky is probably a sabotage effort

tchambers, to internet

Lots of good discussion on #BlueSky and #Fediverse going on. These four questions dominate my thinking:

  1. Can the ATProtocol really scale and federate? This is a very open question.

  2. Can BlueSky's ATProtocol moderation work at scale? Or even NOT at scale? Blurry still.

  3. Can the #Fediverse and #Mastodon improve its UX and UI experiences faster than the these first two things occur?

Lastly:

  1. How quickly do robust Fediverse/ATProtocol bridges emerge?

cc: @activitypubblueskybridge

fedi,

@tchambers re: moderation. I think the success of 'Mastodon' as regards distributed moderation is superior to, say, Twitter's which is centralised.

Rumour has it Bluesky outsources moderation and also uses AI.
Outsourcing it does not sound like a recipe for success. Using AI as a helping tool for human moderators is ok but if it is over-relied on it too is not a recipe for success

I don't see any social network beating the decentralised, distributed, human, fediverse moderation system.

jeff, to internet
@jeff@newsie.social avatar

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    fedi,

    @jeff hundreds of people, thousands even, built the fediverse, including, as you mentioned, Gargron.

    atomicpoet, to random
    @atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

    For the first time ever, I’m torn about whether I should stay on mastodon.social.

    Being here has given me a voice I’ve never had, to talk about a topic that I feel strongly about, and I feel I’ve made the world a slightly different place.

    But I also wonder if mastodon.social is becoming even more hostile to the rest of the Fediverse.

    Should I stay and fight? Or is this a lost cause?

    fedi,

    @atomicpoet I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other as to whether you should leave dot social but if you do:

    1. consider Fosstodon
    2. consider your own single user instance like did Aral Balkan: https://ar.al/
    3. consider https://treehouse.systems
    4. consider creating a new multi-user instance specifically for fedi devs
    5. consider a generalist instance like this one: https://masto.ai

    I don't believe being on the biggest instance gives a big advantage as to reach.

    atomicpoet, (edited ) to fediversenews
    @atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

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    fedi,

    @atomicpoet I agree we should be open to using alternatives to the ActivityPub protocol if they are better for the fediverse.

    Very important to realise though that malicious actors could use the ostensibly benevolent 'donation' of many protocols to confuse and sabotage.

    Protecting multi-billion dollar companies' revenues is a huge incentive to do so.

    Definitevly proving that that is what someone is up to is near impossible.

    fedi, to fediverse

    General reminder that in a network of over a million people defederation between instances is a 'natural' way for the network to let off steam and self-organise. It is not inherently bad - far from it.

    Lumping too many people into an unstructured mess is a recipe for an upleasant environment.

    Defederations can be reversed, back channels can be established etc.

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