moira, (edited ) to random
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justyourluck, to H5N1
@justyourluck@masto.ai avatar

Has it been proven that one cannot get infected with from non raw milk?

Because last I heard there have been no studies done.

Or am I wrong?

Because...

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justyourluck,
@justyourluck@masto.ai avatar

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Because on Apr 12, just 10 days after CDC published "Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza A(H5N1) Virus in Animals: Interim Recommendations for Prevention, Monitoring, and Public Health Investigations" that said:

"...should avoid unprotected direct physical contact or close exposure w/sick or dead birds or other animals, carcasses, feces,

milk

or litter from sick birds or other animals potentially infected or confirmed to be infected w/ HPAI A() virus."

...

justyourluck,
@justyourluck@masto.ai avatar
justyourluck,
@justyourluck@masto.ai avatar

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The FDA seemed uncertain on Apr 25, a full 13 days AFTER "(raw)" was added to the CDC 's guidance:

"Additional testing is required to determine whether intact pathogen is still present and if it remains infectious"

Ya think??

Now, whether or not it has since been proven, the fact remains, they didn't yet know for sure and then played it down in the guidelines.

I find them all less than trustworthy. YMMV

grumpybozo,
@grumpybozo@toad.social avatar

@justyourluck If 20% of the US milk supply has , then we've already effectively done the study, because we don't have a human pandemic. We would, if it were possible for pasteurized milk to be a significant vector.

Also, we’ve known for decades that pasteurization effectively kills influenza viruses. Pasteurization degrades both the protein capsules protecting viruses and their genetic material. What is in milk after pasteurization are fragments, not whole viruses.

br00t4c, to random
@br00t4c@mastodon.social avatar

Raw milk could be riskier amid avian flu outbreak in U.S. Stick to pasteurized dairy, experts warn

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pasteurization-h5n1-1.7197170?cmp=rss

jetsilver, to H5N1
@jetsilver@ohai.social avatar

If you live in TX and you're not aware of H5N1 (Avian Flu), you really need to get it on your radar ASAP.

Due to various political/social factors in this state that I won't need to explain to anyone who lives here, it is quite likely that in the event this goes human to human this state will become an epicenter.

Also, anyone anywhere feeding their pets a raw diet, REALLY think about shifting that. This virus is transmitted through raw meat/dairy.

ivy, to H5N1
@ivy@veganism.social avatar

it makes me so impossibly sad to think that i may only have a couple years of seeing wild birds left with the way is going. but hey, the people have spoken: eating tortured chickens is priority number one, even if it drives an apocalyptic wildlife pandemic (and a human one, too!). healthy, delicious, climate-friendly alternatives be damned.

genuinely, what the actual fuck are we doing???

KeithDJohnson, to random
@KeithDJohnson@sfba.social avatar

We're Watching The Elite Panic in Real Time
by Jessica Wildfire

"The situation is evolving daily now. Farmers & ranchers are starting to show "bird flu-like symptoms," but they aren't getting tested. Nobody is forcing them, either. The USDA is inspecting ground beef, but only in states with outbreaks in dairy cows, & only because other countries started rejecting our beef. As one epidemiologist told Scientific American, "We don't have a good sense of the spread because testing is voluntary and certainly not being done in a systematic way."

Avian flu has been spreading for months in cattle, & none of our government institutions can tell us anything except, "Don't panic."

It's pathetic.

You can look at nuclear meltdowns, earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, & pandemics. Almost every single time, government authorities rush out to calm down the population. They censor accurate information. They put most of their emphasis on protecting the assets of the rich***."
https://www.okdoomer.io/were-watching-the-elite-panic-in-real-time/

Dhmspector, to H5N1
@Dhmspector@mastodon.social avatar
justyourluck, to H5N1
@justyourluck@masto.ai avatar

🐄 In lung tissue... of an asymptomatic cow...

"US federal authorities said on Wednesday that the virus had been found in lung tissue collected from a seemingly healthy cow."

🐄 Only cows with symptoms are being tested?

"Another possibility, he says, is that “asymptomatic cows that we are not testing are shedding virus into milk”."

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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/as-bird-flu-spreads-through-cows-is-pasteurized-milk-safe-to-drink/

Eka_FOOF_A, to Cat
@Eka_FOOF_A@spacey.space avatar

One in five milk samples has bird flu virus fragments, suggesting cow Infections are far more widespread than originally thought.

Pasteurization kills the virus so you are safe if you consume pasteurized milk products. Raw milk products are not safe. You can get sick from them.

Another thing dad mentioned is bird flu outbreak farms had many dead cats. Looks like bird flu may be killing cats.
Spread the word.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/one-in-five-milk-samples-has-bird-flu-virus-fragments-suggesting-cow-infections-are-more-widespread-than-thought-180984238/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub

Eka_FOOF_A,
@Eka_FOOF_A@spacey.space avatar

I can't find any online article with the cat deaths. What happened is the researchers were trying to find why the cows were sick. One noticed the farm cats weren't coming up to him like they had before. He found out they were dying. That lead to looking for bird flu.

This was published in the Apr 26, 2024 issues of the Ames Tribune. They likely listened into a recent talk given by the researchers at the local ARS Diagnostic Lab.

JasonPerseus, to Health
@JasonPerseus@mas.to avatar

Not to be a doomer, but this isn't even the question.

The question is whether enough people would even take the vaccines if we made them, and the answer is clearly: No.

https://www.statnews.com/2024/04/24/h5n1-bird-flu-vaccine-preparedness/

dancingdogs, to H5N1
@dancingdogs@forall.social avatar

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/health/birdflu-marine-mammals.html?unlocked_article_code=1.m00.tqnt.k-wwbemu6bus&smid=url-share

Is Infecting More . What Does That Mean for Us?
, , killed tens of thousands of , and infiltrated American for first time.
H5N1, one of the many viruses that cause bird flu, had already killed at least 24,000 South American sea lions along the coasts in less than a year. Now comes for elephant seals.
Scientists are working quickly to assess how it is evolving and risk it poses to humans

BenjaminHCCarr, to H5N1
@BenjaminHCCarr@hachyderm.io avatar

Risk of bird #flu spreading to humans is ‘enormous concern’, says #WHO
Chief scientist voices fears about #H5N1 variant that has ‘extraordinarily high’ mortality rate in humans. #Cows and #goats joined the list of species affected last month – a surprising development for experts because they were not thought susceptible to this type of #influenza. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/18/risk-bird-flu-spreading-humans-enormous-concern-who #avianflu

benroyce, to random
@benroyce@mastodon.social avatar

Those of us of a certain age remember when used to be a thing of crunchy hippies. Much like nonsense as well.

Of course, the antivax crowd are mostly types nowadays, and, guess what? MAGA recently went gaga over raw milk.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/10/the-alt-right-rebrand-of-raw-milk-00145625

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benroyce,
@benroyce@mastodon.social avatar

Now I get to "delight" you with a post twist: raw may transmit to humans:

https://www.barrons.com/news/h5n1-strain-of-bird-flu-found-in-milk-who-2ce2c194

There is a very old very good reason why we pasteurize milk. It seems to be forgotten. Everything is not default safe, we made it safe. But everyone with living memory of the hell before and modern medicine and here, safety and sanitary , is dead. And reigns.

They wish to relearn the obvious, with death and suffering for us all.

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currentbias, to H5N1
@currentbias@open-source-eschaton.net avatar

The USDA is doubling down on mythical milkborne spread:

"The USDA said cows shed the virus in milk at high concentrations, so anything that comes in contact with unpasteurized milk may spread the disease. Respiratory transmission is not considered a primary way for the virus to spread in cattle, the department added."

No explanation given. Flu is a milkborne pathogen now. Total fucking clownshow

https://www.yahoo.com/news/usda-confirms-cow-cow-transmission-183050781.html

Free_Press, to news
@Free_Press@mstdn.social avatar

TIP OF THE ICEBERG?

Bird flu detected among chickens in Texas and Michigan

Ca-Maine Foods, largest fresh egg producer in US, temporarily halts production at one Texas facility after discovering virus

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/12/bird-flu-chickens-texas-michigan

RunRichRun, to H5N1
@RunRichRun@mastodon.social avatar

Big regulatory and likely public health snafu (and economic disaster) if true —ground-up chicken waste fed to cattle may be behind bird flu outbreak in US cows
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/chicken-waste-fed-to-cattle-may-be-behind-bird-flu-outbreak/

jmcrookston, to H5N1
@jmcrookston@mastodon.social avatar

Not once does USDA say to wear a respirator to not transmit avian influenza.

Boot covers = yes
Footbath = yes
Disinfectant = yes

But no respirators.

Yee haw.

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/vs-hpai-biosecurity.pdf

jmcrookston, to random
@jmcrookston@mastodon.social avatar

⚠️ Effective immediately, all dairy milking operations will be relocated inside elementary schools.

As we learned during COVID, there is no viral spread in schools.

That is all, and thank you.

inquiline, to H5N1
@inquiline@union.place avatar

States and fed govt made the decision to not stockpile bird flu vaccines 😱

https://one.npr.org/i/1243199846:1243199848

augieray, to random
@augieray@mastodon.social avatar

Since the outbreak of the flu seems to be spreading from Texas, are the people who called the “China Virus” calling this the “Texas Virus?” 🙂

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2024/04/02/bird-flu-spreads-cow-to-cow-and-to-one-human-in-texas/

deewani, to Birds
@deewani@mastodon.social avatar

The mylar holographic bird scare flash tape that worked earlier in the year to deter bats & birds from roosting above front door frame no longer works. They got wise to my low cost renter’s solution. So I picked up 12” x 4” foam bricks, taped them together linearly, wrapped them in scare tape, and wedged them above the door frame. The clearance was 4”ish too so they simply hold in place without adhesive.No more opening door to mess & early morning jump scares.

deewani,
@deewani@mastodon.social avatar

Bird tape-covered foam bricks have worked like a charm. I used to put a mask on to clean the bird & bat waste as I didn’t want to aerosolize any potential pathogens (ex ). A simple physical barrier was the solution. Homeowner had suggested bird spikes, I had explained drawbacks. But they did not include a recent video of a crow removing bird spikes! LOL.
https://youtu.be/_Bn9FONAkUA?feature=shared. Pigeons continue to make a mess on side yard. That is manageable (mask + hose).

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