andresmh, to random
@andresmh@hci.social avatar

Setting “mastodon.social” as the default on the main Mastodon mobile app kicked a can down the road and turned into a keg of gunpowder 🥫➡️🧨

It might have solved a UX problem (instance selection) in the short term. But it introduced an exponentially harder sociotechnical problem: scaling moderation.

Instead, we should:
a) increase the number of smaller and well-moderated instances.
b) turn instance selection UX into a productive type of friction.

SiR_GameZaloT,
@SiR_GameZaloT@paktodon.asia avatar

@andresmh why couldn't they have simply turned it into a drop down menu that lists all the servers they have themselves already vetted on joinmastodon.org ?

Thats still a pool too small, but way more palatable than favouring one server over the rest.

And its always expanding.

SiR_GameZaloT,
@SiR_GameZaloT@paktodon.asia avatar

@andresmh Yes. They say "its to make onboarding easier", except that by funneling everyone to an under-moderated server, you are deliberately making onboarding harder by making sure every signup needs to then migrate accounts as well.

I dont know why its assumed to not matter, but Ive migrated and I know for a fact its hard and a major put off.

JenWojcik, to random

Ok apparently I need a new instance if .social is threatened to be defederated.

I haven't kept up with the hand wringing lately. Anyone care to give me the primer version?

Arpie4Math,

@JenWojcik

Having listed themselves as the default instance in the official app, they have something like 223k accounts, overwhelmed moderators, and consequently, they are targeted by crypto spammers who set up new accounts without any gating and then use those to flood accounts in every instance. (It's mostly spam.)

@mmasnick sort of predicted this in his essay: https://www.techdirt.com/2019/11/20/masnicks-impossibility-theorem-content-moderation-scale-is-impossible-to-do-well/

As a result, other instances are blocking to try and keep their moderation workload lower, and only the nice ones will ever check if they get this week's flood under control.

If you do want to relocate, it is recommended that you use a web app to manually export your contacts so that you do not need to rely on server-to-server communication to transmit them reliably.

stux, to fediverse
@stux@mstdn.social avatar

Little tip for server admins and mods against the crypto spam issue:

Go to accounts -> remote -> "mastodon.social"

And search on display name:

"Ai Doge"
"AiDoge"
"Arb Doge"
"ArbDoge"

And suspend them all :nkoHammer:

Before you suspend check the last page on each search to see if there are other people using the same display name and uncheck them!

paul,
@paul@oldfriends.live avatar

@stux

Visual aid for to block the doge coming from the most recent mastodon.social attack quickly via moderation search:

Admin -> Moderations -> accounts -> remote -> "mastodon.social"

🔗 status: Current Status as of this toot post: Under Attack Website and API spam attack https://status.mastodon.social/

Experiencing issues SHOW CURRENT STATUS Under spam attack Started May 14, 2023 at 1:17 PM Status Monitoring Impact Operational Affected Website & API Monitoring May 14, 2023 at 1:17 PM We have been under attack by a spammer. Our team blocked it, and we are monitoring the situation.

rolle, to random
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

It seems there's even some delay on my powerful instance, but only for some minutes or so. I'm deducing this based on the notification flood. Or then the issues are all round, not sure which way. Even struggling? causes quite a heavy server load.

asahi95, to fediverse Japanese

Ok so it seems that spam bots are starting to reach some users from mastodon.social once again (I'm gonna have to mute the instance once more on my other accounts since tech.lgbt already limited the big instance)

Be on the lookout Fedi, and as always...Report first and Block!

:boosts_ok_gay:

asahi95, (edited ) to random

Did Mastodon actually update the welcome screen? I didn't notice at first but now it says "Pick another server"

This is actually a lot better than the previous one where it said "Pick my own server" :mastodon:

chrisdoestech, to fediverse
@chrisdoestech@fosstodon.org avatar

Is Mastodon.Social broken or are the admins losing the plot?

Apparently registering with any of my own domain names are giving me the "uses a disallowed e-mail provider" error

Do they really think I will use something like Gmail?

I will find another instance for my personal account

I'd expect better from the "official" Mastodon instance

David, to fediverse

Very interesting article about the and the threat that is paradoxically posing...

My take: Mastodon is great. BUT Mastodon is NOT the fediverse. Try other Fediverse tools, don't limit yourself to Mastodon.

Also, if you're on Mastodon.Social, maybe it's time to go to another

https://rys.io/en/168.html

PaulaToThePeople, to random

:fedi: :fedi:

Do you like the idea of a free, decentralized social media? Then make the move today. Simply use the built in migration feature and move from mastodon.social to one of the smaller servers.

You can choose a server that has a theme that fits your posting habits, a server local to where you live or a generalist server in your language.

Find servers here:

https://joinfediverse.com

https://fedi.garden

https://fediverse.observer

https://fediverse.party/en/portal/servers

https://greenfediverse.codeberg.page/green-instances

https://instances.social

https://contentnation.net/de/favstarmafia/artikel2

maegul, to fediversenews
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

Graphs of the sizes of fediverse instances, how common they are, and where the most people are! 🧵

Data pulled from https://instances.social/ (by @TheKinrar) and excludes pawoo and baraag as they're heavily blocked for good reasons (it seems)

Breaking down instances by the number of users into bins (that are quasi human friendly logarithmic), we see that the majority (55%) have 2-50 users, ~33% have 1 user, and almost all instances have less than 5,000 users.

@fediversenews

1/

Homebrewandhacking,

@maegul @fediversenews

Thankyou for the fascinating thread on sizes of server. 50% of Mastodon being on centralised servers is a thing alright.

rysiek, (edited ) to fediverse
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

#Mastodon monoculture problem
https://rys.io/en/168.html

> Mastodon-the-software is used by far by the most people on fedi. The biggest instance, mastodon.social, is home to over 200.000 active accounts as of this writing. This is roughly 1/10th of the whole #Fediverse, on a single instance.

> Worse, Mastodon-the-software is often identified as the whole social network, obscuring the fact that Fediverse is a much broader system comprised of a much more diverse software.

🧵/1

chlopmarcin,
@chlopmarcin@101010.pl avatar

@edavies It would work if the mastodon.social domain would be changed to something like mastodonbeginners.social. With such domain name many people would migrate to other instances naturally, as soon as they would start to feel uncomfortable with "beginners" part.

@rysiek

asahi95, to fediverse

I rest you assure guys, you can stop boosting this now :ms_sweat_smile:

The situation has already been taken care of :blobfoxthumbsup:

RE: https://tech.lgbt/@asahi95/110310499987010451

asahi95, to fediverse

Stop making mastodon.social the default and revert back

We need more decentralization! That's what matters at the moment rather than the growth rate for one server ✊

asahi95, to fediverse

Seems like the entire crypto scam problem has gotten taken care of

As a result, I will not block mastodon.social

Awesome job to @Gargron , @Mastodon , and other people who managed to get this situation under control

octopusproject, to fediverse

Guys there is spam storm on mastodon.social ... bitcoin and porn spamers hit this server SOOOO bad... man!

It is not visible on our dashboard because those messages are not public :D someone scraped user list and sending unlisted, direct messages from accounts not listed as bots.

I Feel It Coming

http://gc.dadalo.pl/dashboard/snapshot/6UmpV18Rw7GFhzmW4XZ07y3leWZZq4Uq

AdeptVeritatis, to mastodon
@AdeptVeritatis@social.tchncs.de avatar

Hello followers and followed on mastodon.social :toot:

I have a feeling, that we will not be connected anymore in the near future. Let's hope, we can meet again on a different instance.

Now it is time for YOU to actually move.

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/06/how-to-migrate-from-one-server-to-another/

https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/

asahi95, to fediverse

If this entire crypto bot scam issue doesn't resolve itself, I will have no choice but to completely block until the issue is resolved

Until then, please make alts if you come from the main instance, I recommend moving now as I will block it if it doesn't become solved ⚠️

asahi95, to fediverse

Attention , please be on the lookout for fake crypto scam bot accounts coming from mastodon.social

Remember to check the username and make sure to report and block these account as much as you can!

:BoostOK: Be sure to boost this for more attention

PacMan,

@asahi95
Blocked and reported the one I've encountered today

maegul, (edited ) to fediverse
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

@fediversenews
So poking around fedidb.org, I thought I'd do some back-of-napkin analysis (ie procrastination).

  • 50% of users are on the largest 20 instances
  • ~50% of MAU are on the largest 28
  • 77% users are on instances with >10k users (largest 130)
  • 73% MAUs on >10k instances
  • Of largest 20 instances, user growth/mnth (trend over prev 3mnths) is ~1-2% ... with 2 major outliers:

/1

maegul,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

@fediversenews
Obviously I haven't pulled the whole database down, but having poked around the fedidb page a bit, I haven't seen any other instance other than a *key instance have the sort of growth trend that has had the past few months, which is nuts given how big it already is.

Like, there's a clearly a centralisation event occurring here likely to only get bigger given the defaults in the app, and also likely willfully chosen by many of the users.

/2.5

Ne10,

@jupiter_rowland @maegul

And then there are the not so much "übergeeks", just real professionals who have so much stuff on phones for professional reasons . . . . . . and only using desktop browser
What is it exactly, you are complaining about ?

MistyMelanie, to random

Just FYI:

I hope no-one minds but I'm testing out & have randomly followed a couple of people so I can figure out how to use that place. It's so confusing & overwhelming. I've no idea what I'm doing.

Just ignore me over there.

But is so broken w the new change it's unusable for me now. I have to migrate somewhere & have no idea where to go.

Wish me luck. I need it. 😭

mho, to random

Hmm, that's new. But how are they appearing there? The (first) Verification-URL of accounts shown on lists of accounts (Follower, Following) directly on Mastodon. First I thought, that's part of the update to 4.1.2. But I see it only on , not other instances with the same version. What's going on?

Example: https://mastodon.social/@heiseonline/following
vs.: https://social.heise.de/@heiseonline/following
*
Edit: A sign of things to come in a special version on the main instance?
*

YusufToropov, to fediverse
@YusufToropov@toot.community avatar

The debate about quote toots is not what concerns me.

This is what concerns me.

The default server should be EITHER one generated randomly OR no default server, new user picks one.

It should NOT be because that could be sold into private hands. Which appears to be the plan.

I don't think people get how serious this is.

But until people do, =right response. And moving your account off of Mastodon.Social. Next post shows how.

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