atomicpoet, to random
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Jack Dorsey explaining exactly why no single company should own a social media platform.

Susan_Larson_TN,
@Susan_Larson_TN@mastodon.online avatar

@atomicpoet Based on his support of Nostr, and should have nothing to do with him.

Nostr, and quite likely Blue Sky wants to make it impossible to ban or remove a users access for violating server or network policies. This is a recipe for rampant hate and bigotry, along with harassment and hate speech. Something twitter seemed designed to encourage from the very start.

anders,
@anders@mastodon.cyborch.com avatar

@atomicpoet it’s really just sunk cost fallacy. He invested in if he switches teams and starts investing in projects like Mastodon then his first investment might appear to be wasted.

mmasnick, to random
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It's been six months since Elon took over Twitter. I have some thoughts on the "Twitter diaspora" and the current decentralized alternatives: https://www.techdirt.com/2023/04/28/six-months-in-thoughts-on-the-current-post-twitter-diaspora-options/

raminf,

@mmasnick Great writeup!

The most important distinction between and is how someone blocked from accessing their home server can migrate with little disruption.

Of course, this could include unsavory characters, but it also covers journalists and advocacy groups speaking truth to power.

If adds support for seamless migration of blocked accounts, it will address a key advantage of Bluesky.

That, and attracting more celebs 😃

atomicpoet, to random
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Bluesky vs. Mastodon is not as black and white as many seem to think.

Let me explain why. 🧵

  1. A Twitter founder funds and advises Bluesky.

Okay, a Twitter founder (@ev) runs a for-profit instance, and another (@biz) has offered to advise Mastodon.

  1. Bluesky accepted VC money.

A VC firm owns 3 of the top 5 largest Mastodon servers

  1. An evil corporation (Twitter) helped develop Bluesky.

An evil corporation (Google) helped develop the Fediverse

I have further thoughts here...

smallcircles,
@smallcircles@social.coop avatar

@paul @atomicpoet

We have the Fediverse Enhancement Proposal process, the where ever more protocol-level mechanisms and extensions are defined. The process is open to anyone, and proposals are then discussed in the developer community.

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep

How AP extensions are best defined isn't yet well-documented. It should become a FEP. Btw, on best-practices I recently posted..

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/best-practices-for-ap-vocabulary-extensions/3162/5

paul,
@paul@digitalstuntfactory.com avatar

@atomicpoet How much scope is there to expand to make it more compelling and flexible? Presumably it can still evolve?

rysiek, (edited ) to internet
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BlueSky is cosplaying
https://rys.io/en/167.html

> Almost exactly six months after got taken over by a petulant edge lord, people seem to be done with grieving the communities this disrupted and connections they lost, and are ready, eager even, to jump head-first into another toxic relationship. This time with BlueSky.

tl;dr:

  • seems designed to get secondarily centralized in the "reach" layer (as they call it)
  • moderation is an afterthought
  • Jack Dorsey

🧵/1

gvlx,
@gvlx@masto.pt avatar

@rysiek they must have a very nice exit strategy as any good StartUp.

But why bother?

If you compare any product with an implementation all that's missing is a multi-million marketing strategy.

pluralistic, to random
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pluralistic,
@pluralistic@mamot.fr avatar

Standards bodies are no substitute for antitrust law ( was an increasingly unlikely fluke).

https://doctorow.medium.com/weak-institutions-a26a20927b27

thomasfuchs, to random
@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io avatar

Poked my head into Mastodon quickly, still people ranting about Bluesky.

Again: if you want to make Mastodon more welcome to people and have everyone here, it needs to get easier to use and add features people need (working replies, working search, quote posts, better discoverability of interesting posts).

Stop whining about some other site.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

azizhp,

@thomasfuchs I'm a broken record this morning

But honestly using with the plugin is way easier than using mastodon

And the Verified problem is simpler to solve

paul, to fediverse
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I was thinking earlier that it would be pretty cool to have an -powered app that uses something like the old feature that, in turn, supports post formats that other services use.

For example, the app can post regular posts like this one, structured link posts that work with services like , galleries through @pixelfed and videos through .

Unless automatically reformats posts based on what they contain when a user of services like these receives them in their feeds? I'm not sure how this works under the metaphorical hood. 🤔

paul,
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@pfefferle Are you saying that the plugin supports post formats so you could share a video post to , a gallery post to @pixelfed, and so on, for example?

smallcircles, to random
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Fascinating

https://scrapscript.org

" solves the software sharability problem"

"Modern software breaks at boundaries. APIs diverge, packages crumble, configs ossify, serialization corrupts, git tangles, dependencies break, documentation dies, [..]"

"To make software safe and sharable, scrapscript combines existing wisdom in new ways:

  • all expressions are content-addressible “scraps”

  • all programs are data

  • all programs are “platformed”

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35712163

Natureshadow,

@smallcircles

I recently thought about how to encode the graph transformations defines (aka "activities") in the graph/schema itself, to make it extensible. Something like ScrapScript could help.

Implementations could not only define new object types, but also define how their types are handled when acted upon.

(Yes, smart contracts on the Fediverse, even, if you want)

Ewan_Croft, to fediverse

sooo what happened to joining the ?

Ewan_Croft,

@writeblankspace i'm guessing the integration is vaporware at this point

mjc, to random
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I don't know anything about internet protocols other than that they exist and somehow enable this beautiful mess -- could I realistically read and understand something like the ActivityPub protocol? Is there a lay translation of it?

mjc,
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Seems like a defines an , e.g. has posts and accounts but not body temperature or RBI.

Is there a non-technical writeup of the ontology of ?

smallcircles,
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@mjc well, it isn't actually really non-technical, but the -Vocabulary spec mentions just ontology with textual explanation and JSON(-LD) samples.

https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary

When it comes to extending - adding a vocabulary/ontology that supports body temperature or RBI - then doing so according to best-practices is still a bit tricky but can be done.

For it requires following a technical path via the .

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep

gubi, to internet
@gubi@sociale.network avatar

checklist:

Is it ? I'm tired of platforms doing things on my back hiding into proprietary code.

Does it support protocol? I'm sick of companies building fences around users, treating them like cattle.

The content feed is chronological? I'm fed up with algorithms manipulating public discourse and hiding things.

Is it free from advertising? I'm disgusted by communities of people transformed in marketing targets and put on sale.

I won't give back freedom.

strypey,

@gubi
> Is it floss?

Maybe?
https://github.com/bluesky-social

> Does it support protocol?

No, they decided to create their own federation protocol called AT. But there is already talk among AP folks about building bridges between the two.

> The content feed is chronological?

Presumably that will be an option. I think the idea is that you can choose which algorithm to use with your feed at any given time.

> Is it free from advertising?

Not sure but I think the plan is to build in ads.

daniel, to fediverse
@daniel@social.lol avatar

I’m experimenting with the plug-in in my blog, which allows anyone interested in following my blog posts, to do it directly by following its own Mastodon account. I think of it as an alternate means to using RSS feeds (which the blog also has available).

Keep in mind what I post here at @daniel is different from what I post in my blog.

If you want to give it a try, besides following me, follow https://danielsantos.org/author/daniel/ here in Mastodon 🐘

soupglasses, to internet
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So, 's main selling point over is its data portability guarantee in case of a server shutdown. But according to the docs, this is based on a recovery key that only works within a 72-hour window, generated by the server and backed up to your devices.

Wouldn't this mean a BlueSky account would often have less than a 3 day notice to move to a new instance when a server shutdown occurs, or else loose the account? :blobfoxshocked:

https://atproto.com/guides/overview#account-portability

rml, to internet
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Common sense/medium rare take: treating people like traitors for signing up for Blue Sky will drive folks away from the forms of online community you're advancing. I won't be signing up to because its obviously going to be a milquetoast website — at best Twitter 2, the persistence of an idea beyond its very real & clear death — a literal zombie community that preys on the minds of the living for our lack of ability to imagine, organize and build a true alternative that can appeal to the masses while upholding the principals of . But lashing out at people for their lack of loyalty to a platform only signals that yours in decay.

is not the end all/be all, as I'm sure most of my mutuals agree. That its had a hard time appealing to folks beyond hacker scenes is both a sign of its weakness and its strength. Its strength is that we have probably the most exciting space of discourse among hackers since , along with a reasonably generic protocol to build on, . But I'm sure we all want it to grow, including a wide range of voices from all walks of life & cultures. So we all have to be thinking about how to work together and try new things in order to grow, and I'm not convinced affirming loyalty to a platform is conducive to that sort of growth.

KimCrayton1, to fediverse
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As I’m observing conversations and efforts to build tomorrow’s technology related to and , I have concerns regarding how many non-white folx from marginalized and vulnerable communities will show up and for those who do, will they be welcomed?

Because tech development has a long history of the most privileged making decisions that maintain the status quo while inflicting harm on “others”

Elendol, to fediverse
@Elendol@hachyderm.io avatar

Giving a try. Very interesting to see other implementations based on . I definitely think it will be the key for going where your friends are without missing anything. Also a very interesting protocol to build products dedicated for specific use and information propagation (emergency services who relied on Twitter or Facebook for example). Commercial offering for professional maintenance and hosting of instances is also necessary. I can also imagine pop-up instances.

ppatel, to fediverse
@ppatel@mstdn.social avatar

Thanks to @mmasnick for the clear and cogent explanations in this article about what's happening with various decentralized protocols llike , as well as . I think clearing up some of the concerns and the fudd was needed. I wish people would wait a little and listen.

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/04/28/six-months-in-thoughts-on-the-current-post-twitter-diaspora-options/

vwbusguy, to fediverse
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

It's only if it comes from the region of France. Otherwise, it's just sparkling corporate seller's remorse.

osma, to fediverse
@osma@mas.to avatar

The web-exclusionarism of new social protocols is quite revealing.

was developed by a working group of web professionals and defined actors (ie, people) as Uniform Resource Indicators, ignoring that people may want to move inbox domains while retaining identity.

AT protocol was developed by a closed group of web professionals who recognized that people move, but defined their human-readable identities as Internet domain names, assuming everyone has their own.

LaurensHof, to fediverse
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The Roundup – episode 16

Welcome to another episode of the roundup. There is lots of discourse currently happening on the fediverse feeds, about bluesky, moderation drama, centralization worries, issues that Black users face with regards to racism, and so much more. I’m doing a bigger writeup of this soon, as it feels like fediverse culture is changing as we spead.

For now, I’ve started giving more context and opinion to the newsitems, to help you better understand all the links and things that are happening. This means a large list, so let’s dive right in!

The links

  • Work is starting on a protocol bridge between ActivityPub and the AT protocol (the protocol that Bluesky uses). Here is a work in progress (and another demo) of using your Bluesky in Mastodon clients, and there is also a group network starting up that is dedicated to working on bridges. This is one of the key stories of the fediverse at the moment, with massive implications down the line. Bluesky has a lot of energy and interest behind it currently, and being able to interoperate with the rest of the fediverse would be of great benefit to all parties.
  • The website for Calckey got a new update. Visually it looks great, and really helps sell the appeal of Calckey.
  • The opt-in account database at fediverse.info that helps you find interesting accounts to follow is live with a new update. The visual update looks great, and it can be helpful to find people, especially with some more niche hashtags. The popular hashtags feature so many accounts that it can be hard to know which accounts to follow.
  • The fedidb.org dashboard that gives an overview of statistics about the fediverse is officially launched as a 2.0 update. As I talked about earlier, there are multiple competing dashboards and API that all measure statistics on the fediverse. As fedidb.org is maintained by @dansup, creator of PixelFed, fedidb.org has the potential become the new standard in a set of conflicting standards, as the methodology is clearer, there is an API, and it comes from a trusted source.
  • Jointhefediverse.net is a new website that helps new users get a better understanding of what the fediverse actually is, and how they can be onboarded. This is a great project to see, and the fediverse needs a lot more. Explaining federation and decentralization is hard, and this is a good approach.
  • Calckey has been getting a lot more attention recently. Community manager Panos Damelos is working on gathering this energy into more collaborative development work. Like Panos mentioned, Calckey started as a personal project, and the earlier choice to get a community manager on board early in the process is a great step to scale the project.
  • Mike Masnick wrote a new article ‘Six Months In: Thoughts On The Current Post-Twitter Diaspora Options’ that is worth reading. It is an indepth look at the different networks and protocols, and has a good explanation of Bluesky as well. Its good to see that the fediverse gets stressed more, by not only mentioning Mastodon, but also giving attention to Calckey.
  • Flipboard interviews ActivityPub co-author Evan Prodromou. One of the things Evan is asked about is best practices and rules of engagements for creators. The fediverse, especially Mastodon, is quite notorious for having specific cultural standards that are not written down. Being put in writing about what people deem acceptable and not is important.
  • The admin of the hachyderm.io server steps down after conflicts with other server admins. @maegul has an excellent writeup of the entire situation. It is a sad situation, Krís Nova was an excellent admin and great contribution to the fediverse. @maegul has an good take on the situation, questioning the use of defederation as a weapon. I agree with them, and I feel this situation could have been avoided by having the other admins be more accepting of a slower decision making process, instead of immediately going for defederation. The best summary: “Once tens of thousands of people are affected, decision speed ought to slow down.” That this was not taken into account by other folks is painful and damaging.
  • The server mastodon.online, which is hosted by the Mastodon organisation, is switching to a nightly build. This means that all the latest updates will always be immediately available on this server. Here is a showcase of some of the updates that will be coming to the rest of Mastodon soon.
  • The Vergecast, the flagship podcast by The Verge, interviews Flipboard CEO Mike McCue about ActivityPub. Great episode to listen to, both hosts Nilay Patel and David Pierce have been explicit about the value of ActivityPub (and thus, the fediverse), and its great to see this theme being continued. Worth a listen.
  • Micro.blog will support the Twitter API until July 15th, but now also supports crossposting to Bluesky. Micro.blog is one of the fediverse projects that often flies under the radar. It is a great product, that features a unique combination of both full blogs and microblogs.
  • Ars Technica is now officially on Mastodon.
  • FediMoviesRock is a new fediverse project for movies. Alpha announcement here. It allows you to tag pretty much any movie in the format @{TileOfTheMoviePascalCase}_{YEAR}@alpha.fedimovies.rocks to your posts. You can follow accounts to get all the posts about the movie. The difference with using a simple hashtag is that this comes back to a managed page which is both more visually pleasing and easy to understand, such as in this example. There is a lot of potential in projects like this. For now it is a fun toy that is helpful, but there is a lot more that can be build on top of it.
  • Audon.space is a great audio tool, pretty much exactly like Twitter Spaces or Clubhouse. I’m impressed by how easy to use it is, and how well it incorporates your social graph. The developer quickly responding to extra requests from the blind community is great to see as well. Personally, I see a great potential for tools like this for the fediverse. So often the discussion is framed in context of microblogging (hello bluesky!), but this seems like such an interesting direction. A standalone tool that uses your fediverse social graph in order to increase the value of said tool. I foresee a future where lots more tools will start doing this.

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smallcircles, to fediverse
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View the survey results from the W3C SWICG about topics to address for future versions of the -related open standards / and related technology.

https://fediforum.org/other/w3c-swicg-april-2023-survey-results.html

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