rolle, to bluesky
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

Bluesky enthusiasts are stating that Bluesky has ”plans” to make ATProto universal and transfer it to W3C or the like. Well, there is no evidence that Bluesky wants to give up control or the protocol is going to be widely adopted after 5 years of development so forgive me being sceptical. The story is a bit different with ActivityPub.

#ATProto #ATProtocol #Bluesky #ActivityPub

youronlyone, to twitter
@youronlyone@c.im avatar

Woah, this is… big(?). “Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter”

https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-bluesky-twiiter-nostr-interview-2024-5

He left , then , and now endorsing … but still not the .

mackuba, to random
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

Ah, I love arguing about with people who prefer ActivityPub/fediverse and know very little about ATProto, but have strong opinions about it… 🙃

J12t, to meta
@J12t@social.coop avatar

Finally I'm getting around to listen to @mike 's Dot.Social episode with @rklambo and @pcottle from , talking about .

Mike asks the most important question first: "why are you [Meta] doing this [Fediverse integration]?"

[cont]

J12t,
@J12t@social.coop avatar

@mike asks: what about other federation protocols like ?

A: is a W3C standard, that's important. It's also been battle-tested over the years.

@pcottle muses it would be interesting to "port over" some AtProto features to ActivityPub, like account portability.

J12t,
@J12t@social.coop avatar

Both Rachel and Peter suggest that some moderation functionality could/should become part of the protocol stack. does composable moderation and that is really cool. Peter hopes that may learn from it and evolve in this direction.

J12t,
@J12t@social.coop avatar

Peter: one of the advantages of is that you can limit exposure to other servers.

is all public, and that's another reason why is a better match for Meta.

rolle, to fediverse
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

Former CEO of Twitter wanted to build a social protocol no-one can control, like SMTP or HTTP for social media. Bluesky’s ATProto was supposed to be an open source protocol that Twitter could eventually utilize, but then Musk happened and Bluesky started taking it to the wrong direction and everything fell apart in Dorsey’s mind.

A very revealing interview. I now see even more future in W3C’s ActivityPub.

https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana

#X

rolle,
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

@gruff @reiver Wow, this is the first time I hear about Farcaster.

So… now we have 4 protocols which all try to achieve the ”truly decentralized social web”:

  • ActivityPub
  • ATProto
  • Farcaster
  • Nostr

What a mess :blob_smile_sweat:

mackuba, to bluesky
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

has posted an updated protocol roadmap for the coming months: https://docs.bsky.app/blog/2024-protocol-roadmap

manlycoffee, to fediverse
@manlycoffee@techhub.social avatar

The whole idea of BlueSky supporting nomadic identities but the rest of the ActivityPub (plus other stuff) Fediverse being unable to do so is such an oversold idea.

A new service using ActivityPub behind the scenes (and not the AT Protocol) can absolutely support nomadic identities, even if the service doesn't treat a whole website as the actor.

It will still use did:plc, same as AT Protocol (BlueSky), but once done so, an application that understands how to work with did:plc can dereference an actor based on the DID.

That said, an existing service will simply not be compatible with this idea, without changing how it operates.

okpierre, to fediverse
@okpierre@mastodon.social avatar

For video sharing content on activitypub, you can register a new account and sign in to peertube instances

It's different over on atproto. You don't need an extra account on Bluemotion video sharing app. Just sign in using your existing Bluesky account

Exciting times for the fediverse!

slink, to random
@slink@fosstodon.org avatar

when i read i think hayes modem.

mackuba, to random
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

Oh nice, looks like it's official 👀 https://docs.bsky.app/blog/self-host-federation

(I don't know what's the status of the "10 users" limit, at least the Bridgy PDS got it lifted, but even if it's not announced yet I think it's also going away / or will be relaxed soon)

fediversereport, to bluesky
@fediversereport@mastodon.social avatar

New: Last Month in - April 2024

Last months news:

  • Brazilian president Lula joins Bluesky, and a Portugese community with it
  • Skygaze shuts down the popular For You algorithmic feed
  • grant recipients announced

Read at: https://fediversereport.com/last-month-in-bluesky-april-2024/

mackuba, (edited ) to random
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

I've created a monster 😬

mackuba, to bluesky
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

Man, having access to the API is like being at a really cool hackathon 24/7, just without the loud music and the noise from the open space… I'm getting ideas faster than I can implement them, I missed this kind of excitement for years 🧑🏻‍💻💙

jsit, to bluesky
@jsit@social.coop avatar

“Blacksky is providing a platform to amplify, protect, and moderate Black content so users can safely build community online.

“The mission and purpose of the project is to de-center whiteness as the default and to provide a space for Black folk to discuss the Black everyday in a way that feels affirming.”

https://www.blackskyweb.xyz

@blackmastodon

mackuba, to ruby
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

Btw, Rust vs. no Rust - rescanning 3 days of posts on the server for the feed:

(This is the same rake task, but using the native module that I've been experimenting with last week to do regexp matching only. Rust version below, obv. 😛)

mackuba, to bluesky
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

I made a new custom feed with discussions: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:oio4hkxaop4ao4wz2pp3f4cr/feed/atproto (feeds are available to not logged in viewers now) :bsky:

mackuba, to bluesky
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar
goofy, to bluesky French
@goofy@framapiaf.org avatar

Matthew Exon has written

"what bothers me about Bluesky. There is implicitly a censorship regime being implemented here, and it must necessarily be centralised. There must be a single set of decisions affecting everyone in the world. Those decisions are being made by an American company bound by American laws, which in turn are decided by the American people participating in American democracy."

⬇️
https://fedi.exon.name/2024/02/11/censorship-on-bluesky/

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mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@goofy Interesting article, and I agree that the American approach to censorship is super weird in some aspects (e.g. why do I need to see all songs in my music player marked with "E" if they contain a single bad word? insane!).

That said, the solution is (relatively) simple: just have more than one Relay/AppView owned by different entities in different regions. Doesn't have to be in every country, just a few would make a difference. And yes, it is a part of the architecture.

okpierre, to photography
@okpierre@mastodon.social avatar

Activitypub or Atproto ... one item that both Mastodon have in common with Bluesky is amount of "spam" links and accounts boosting those "spammy" accounts

Several "award winning art / photo" profiles I saw had 5 or more links including their pinned post

Win goes to Bluesky since they seem to have better control of that ... for now


liaizon, (edited ) to fediverse
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

An important distinction is slowly being uncovered about the definition of the term "fediverse." Who is it that gets to decide what this place is? How are we being represented? These are not easy questions to answer and if we don't do a better job describing ourselves, then the job will get done for us by people who don't understand the underlying values we hold.

youronlyone,
@youronlyone@c.im avatar

@liaizon Personally, and the way the term was used, since it was first coined, was any software with support (later ).

When there were discussions of having a new name, I ran suggestion threads and polls about it, and one suggestion/choice was mycelial, mycelium. I like it so I started using it myself.

By definition:

  • A mycelium is a single network.
  • A mycelial is a collection of various mycelium.

Adopting it to :

  • The "Fediverse" is one mycelium network.o, based on ActivityPub
  • "The Federation" / * is another mycelium network.
  • is a mycelium network.
  • is another mycelium network.
  • / is a mycelium network.

Together, they are called Mycelial Web. A collection of "decentralised, distributed, federated, and open, network". A subset of the Social Web.

A "sister", if you will, of the Mycelial Web is IRC and e-mail, as examples.

So:
I. Web
A. Social Web

  1. IRC
  2. E-mail
  3. Mycelial Web
  • Fediverse/ActivityPub
  • ATproto
  • diaspora
  • Matrix
  • XMPP

.

mackuba, to bluesky
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

Good overview by a dev on how the network has changed over the last year: from a single server, to a group of different servers, to internal federation with multiple PDSes, and now an externally federated network with independent PDSes, feed servers and moderation services: https://bsky.app/profile/dholms.xyz/post/3ko5bleclzs2o

(The UI shows the first few posts, click on the last one to load more)

jsit, to bluesky
@jsit@social.coop avatar

Let’s say you’re trying to decide between two Mastodon instances, run by Sandra and Billy.

You agree with some of Sandra’s moderation decisions and priorities, but not all of them. Same with Billy.

Which do you join?

In the / model, you can opt-in to both of their moderation systems, and set custom warning/hide levels for different categories of offenses.

Then if one of them starts getting weird or shady, you just unsubscribe, no need to migrate your account anywhere.

okpierre, to bluesky
@okpierre@mastodon.social avatar

Not every fediverse user want to connect to Bluesky but for those that do, you can look into using Friendica. The next release will allow you to use your Bluesky account from within Friendica. Interact with Mastodon / Msskey / Pixelfed etc and Bluesky users together on one platform

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