schizanon, to passkeys
@schizanon@mastodon.social avatar

PassKeys seem like a bad idea. Google backs them up to the cloud, so if your Google account is compromised then all your private keys are compromised. I don't see how that's an improvement over password+2FA at all.

Now security keys I get; keep the private key on an airgapped device. That's good. Hell I even keep my 2FA-OTP salts on a YubiKey.

schizanon,
@schizanon@mastodon.social avatar

The funniest part is that no matter how many security factors we use to replace passwords (two factor auth, passkeys, security keys, etc) there's always a backup that's just another password.

firefly,
@firefly@neon.nightbulb.net avatar

Structural security trumps computational security ... or ...
Diffuse structural security trumps amalgamated computational security ...
All your big, strong passkeys in one basket is less secure than your passwords in many individual baskets ...
Trying to explain this to tech bros can resemble pushing a wagon uphill ...
Because they want to sell something, logic is not paramount.

See here:

https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2023-September/038186.html

"A password in my brain is generally safer than an app or SMS stream that can be compromised. Although a passphrase may in some cases not be computationally more secure than a token mechanism or two-factor sytem, the simple passphrase is often structurally more secure because that passphrase only links to and exposes one service target."

and here:

https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2023-September/038188.html

"I like to compare it to having one basket of eggs in one spot, and many baskets of eggs in many places. If your one basket of eggs has the master key to all the other stronger keys, is it easier to get the one basket, or the many baskets with weaker keys? So in this scenario cipher strength is not the most important factor for security. With a single basket one fox or pick-pocket or one search warrant can own all of your eggs for all your services."

TechDesk, to passkeys
@TechDesk@flipboard.social avatar

Google has kicked off World Password Day by announcing that over 400 million users have used passkeys since the tech giant rolled them out, logging over one billion authentications between them.

Passkeys rely on device-based authentication, often using a fingerprint scanner or face recognition, which makes logging in faster and more secure. Despite this, our passwordless future still feels some way off — @theverge considers why.

https://flip.it/vvLM1A

kas, to passkeys
podfeet, to apple
@podfeet@chaos.social avatar

Someone Else Was Prompted to Verify My Apple ID https://www.podfeet.com/blog/2024/04/my-apple-id/

fell, to SmartHome
@fell@ma.fellr.net avatar

I stopped messing with client certificates and went back to good old HTTP basic authentication for my little digital light switch panel.

It's a shame nobody cares about TLS client certificates. With a bit more effort we could've gotten rid of passwords a long time ago.

I wish there was something like SSH keys for the web.

Yeah I know, Passkeys are a thing... but also not really.

trendless, to security
@trendless@zeroes.ca avatar

Sanity check:

2FA via SMS was already risky and unsafe, but hey let's make it even worse by adding the ability to have the code sent to a friend?!

:mastomindblown:

Is it really that hard to setup an authenticator app like Aegis or use the one built into keychain?

#2FA #MFA #Security #Telegram #Authentication

anderseknert, to random
@anderseknert@hachyderm.io avatar

Apps that will only present the challenge upon a successful password — isn’t there a very good point in always providing both, as to not give any hints on whether the first factor credentials were correct or not?

schizanon, to fediverse
@schizanon@mas.to avatar

> Digital Identities aren’t something unique to the fediverse and it’s not something Mastodon could stop if they wanted to. Nomadic identity is coming to the internet. The only question is who is going to own your identity. VISA/Mastercard, your government, Google, Microsoft, or you.

https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/

#nomadicIdentity #fediverse #activityPub #mastodon #identity #authentication #authorization #did

swiefling, to Cybersecurity German
@swiefling@hci.social avatar

Worried about account takeover? You're not alone! Attackers often misuse the "forgot password" mechanism to hack us.

Our latest study revealed a game-changer to counter this: Risk-Based Account Recovery! Platforms like Google now tailor recovery mechanisms based on your device and location context, making it hard for bad actors but easy for legitimate users.

Read more in our paper: https://riskbasedauthentication.org/state-of-practice/account-recovery/

Is It Really You Who Forgot the Password? When Account Recovery Meets Risk-Based Authentication Abstract Risk-based authentication (RBA) is used in online services to protect user accounts from unauthorized takeover. RBA commonly uses contextual features that indicate a suspicious login attempt when the characteristic attributes of the login context deviate from known and thus expected values. Previous research on RBA and anomaly detection in authentication has mainly focused on the login process. However, recent attacks have revealed vulnerabilities in other parts of the authentication process, specifically in the account recovery function. Consequently, to ensure comprehensive authentication security, the use of anomaly detection in the context of account recovery must also be investigated. This paper presents the first study to investigate risk-based account recovery (RBAR) in the wild. We analyzed the adoption of RBAR by five prominent online services (that are known to use RBA). Our findings confirm the use of RBAR at Google, LinkedIn, and Amazon. Furthermore, we provide insights into the different RBAR mechanisms of these services and explore the impact of multi-factor authentication on them. Based on our findings, we create a first maturity model for RBAR challenges. The goal of our work is to help developers, administrators, and policy-makers gain an initial understanding of RBAR...

dethos, to security
@dethos@s.ovalerio.net avatar

"Passkeys - Threat modeling and implementation considerations"

https://slashid.com/blog/passkeys-security-implementation/

xmpp, to chat
@xmpp@fosstodon.org avatar

Announcement

We are a Google Summer of Code 2024 umbrella organization!

Project idea 7 of 7:
@prav App - Standards compliant based

https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Gsoc2024/Prav.app/Standards_compliant_SMS_OTP_based_authentication


darkghosthunter, to php
@darkghosthunter@mastodon.social avatar

Finally! I updated my Passkeys (WebAuthn) package for Laravel, and that includes a totally new JS helper.

https://github.com/Laragear/WebAuthn

adamsdesk, to security
@adamsdesk@fosstodon.org avatar

How to Resolve TOTP Invalid Secret Key Error

Unlock the problem to an "invalid secret key" error that can be received when setting up or changing a time-based one-time password (TOTP).

https://www.adamsdesk.com/posts/fix-totp-invalid-secret-key/

gcluley, to Cybersecurity
@gcluley@mastodon.green avatar

Thanks to Recorded Future's Allan Liska for his guest appearance on the latest "Smashing Security" podcast where we discusses AI religions, recycled mobile numbers, ransomware gangs, and the correct way to pronounce "papyrus".

With yours truly and Carole Theriault.

https://grahamcluley.com/smashing-security-podcast-359/

w3cdevs, to France
@w3cdevs@w3c.social avatar

Jean-Luc di Manno, digital and solution architect at Fime, and member of the W3C Web Payments , presents how Secure Payment Confirmation (SPC) addresses a key issue in the payment ecosystem.

🇪🇺 🇫🇷

🎬 Watch the video: https://youtu.be/lq9t0ZUJdsw

▶️ See also the slides and transcript: https://www.w3.org/2024/Talks/w3c-in-europe/spc.html

lemonldapng, to overwatch French
happygeek, to infosec

New by me @Forbes: Why are so many Gmail users seeing email blocked with a 550-5.7.26 error all of a sudden? And why is that a good thing, honest?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/02/06/gmail-messages-blocked-as-google-dmarc-email-security-policy-enforced/

davemark, to apple
@davemark@mastodon.social avatar

"In the same way that Touch ID revolutionized authentication using a fingerprint and Face ID revolutionized authentication using facial recognition, Optic ID revolutionizes authentication using iris recognition."

Apple's Optic ID support document...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT214051

tychotithonus, to random

Tell me you've never helped seniors with tech, without telling me you've never helped seniors with tech.

And I don't just mean the person answering this question. I also mean whoever decided to remove this option.

xdydx,
@xdydx@mastodon.social avatar

@glitch @Aphrodite @cakeisnotalie @tychotithonus
And yet competent security would have told you are and not

everythingopen, to RedHat
@everythingopen@fosstodon.org avatar

Continuing our Schedule highlights, we present Fraser Tweedale @hackuador from who will be presenting on Passwordless using .

Fraser will cover how distributed has evolved, and the place of technologies like and external providers in the new landscape.

Schedule 🔜

Registrations now open:
https://2024.everythingopen.au/news/registrations-open/

hertg, to security

Question for the and people.

For user accounts that have enabled multifactor authentication, how do you handle self-service password resets? On online platforms, it is usually possible to reset the password via email. I think that is fine for accounts that don't use multifactor authentication. But what if a user logs in with their phone number (They have no email, just the phone) and use text message as their second factor? Sending a password reset code via text message would be a bit stupid. This would mean that the user doesn't really have two-factor authentication if you can reset the first-factor with the second-factor.

I do currently not allow self-service password resets if a user has multifactor enabled. They are required to get in contact with customer support in that case. For our use-case this is ok, but it's obviously not very user-friendly. However, I don't really see a solution in the case where the phone number is the primary identifier and second-factor. I am interested in some thoughts on the topic.

markwyner, to UX
@markwyner@mas.to avatar

We really need to do away with this type of authentication.

The tests are often ambiguous. More importantly, they don’t meet accessibility requirements noted in WCAG 2.2. Specifically section 3.3.8 on “cognitive function tests”:

https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/accessible-authentication-minimum.html

Take this example here. Does “direction of” mean mirror the hand or point toward the hand?

Even neurotypical people could be confused by this.

okpierre, to android
@okpierre@mastodon.social avatar

Authy desktop app will go away August 2024 and will only be available as mobile app for Android and iOS

What 2fa apps are you using for desktop?

Authy desktop app will go away August 2024 and will only be available as mobile app for Android and iOS What 2fa apps are you using for desktop?

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