whitedove, to Israel

Deal Now. All for All

2023-12-23
At a demonstration in Tel Aviv calling for a ceasefire, hostage deal, impeachment of the government and equal rights from the river to the sea.

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oatmeal, to palestine

Meir was truly a horrible person, on many levels. Other than retorting that there's no such thing as "Palestinian people" she also thought Arabs don't really love their children that much... words can impact real life.

According to Save the Children, 3,195 children killed in three weeks in [] surpasses annual number of children killed in conflict zones since 2019.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-3195-children-killed-three-weeks-surpasses-annual-number-children-killed-conflict-zones

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oatmeal, to Israel

More than one million people from around the world have signed a petition by the human rights organization International, calling for an immediate ceasefire in and accusing of "wiping out entire families."

The petition states, among other things, that The Israeli authorities continue to dehumanize Palestinians in their rhetoric, bombing crowded refugee camps, hospitals, UN-run schools, bakeries, mosques and churches, roads and civilian homes. Civilian hostages held by and other armed groups in Gaza remain at risk, and indiscriminate rocket fire towards Israel endangers civilians.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-amnesty-petition-demanding-ceasefire-to-end-civilian-suffering-backed-by-more-than-one-million-signatures/

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oatmeal, to Germany

German police raid homes of 17 people accused of posting antisemitic hate speech on social media

The suspects were said to have celebrated the attacks by Palestinian militant group on Israel on Oct. 7, and were accused of spreading hate speech against Jewish people on social media, using symbols of banned terrorist organizations, dpa reported.

https://apnews.com/article/germany-bavaria-antisemitism-raids-b0a8df9cb8d14c8cf19a123370d5353f

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oatmeal, to palestine

Israeli media and IDF's Twitter account are showing various #IDF issued photos from al-Shifa, none of which are of tunnels, or a command center.

al-Jazeera is asking:

"[...] more than 24 hours after Israel’s raid started, the Israeli army has not shown evidence of either #Hamas-run tunnels or a military command centre under the hospital."

In respect to a video shared on IDF's Twitter account showing Jonathan Conricus going through the hospital, they mention this:

"On X [...] the Israeli army first posted a video of Conricus taking viewers on a tour through parts of al-Shifa, which it said was without any edits or cuts [...] But it deleted that post and then republished a near-identical video, with some tweaks. On social platforms, that further fuelled questions about the veracity of Israel’s claims."

https://nitter.net/IDF/status/1724934932718293286#m

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/16/what-has-israel-found-in-gazas-al-shifa-hospital

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#IsraelHamasWar

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KimPerales, to humanrights
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Sad, there were only 11 Senators who voted in favor of the resolution: The Senate rejected a resolution from Senator Sanders to require the State Dept to write a report detailing any human rights violations stemming from the use of US equipment & military funding in conjunction with Israel’s bombardment of Gaza since the attacks. https://prospect.org/world/2024-01-17-attempt-congress-to-do-something-on-foreign-policy-israel-gaza-fa/

whitedove, to Israel
oatmeal, to israel

Are Israelis are afraid the facts of the occupation might be weaponized against them...?

Ynet columnist: Better not to prosecute the October 7 terrorists. It will be a circus

[...] The foreign attorneys who will be recruited to defend the terrorists will turn the process into an international show trial against Israel, the occupation and the siege on Gaza.

[...] In these proceedings it will be argued that Israel besieged and starved Gazans for years and all they wanted was to free themselves from the chokehold. The attorneys will insist that Israel did not move towards a solution and the Palestinians were left with no choice but to shake the foundations. They will add that anyway many of the October 7 victims were killed by Israeli soldiers and air force helicopters, and they have no chance for a fair trial when the process takes place in the occupiers' territory through biased judges representing the state that is responsible for the occupation and refugee problem in the first place.

Hebrew: https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/h1dkgpeht

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oatmeal, to Palestine

No wonder thousands of people in North America and Europe are protesting for . They are not supporting the , and they're not antisemites ... they are protesting their leaders who made their countries complicit, alongside Israel, in war crimes.

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oatmeal, to israel

How were the Israelis treated in captivity? vs . Both are quoting conversations with relatives:

“They have some difficult stories to tell of the way they were captured and treated,” Ahal Besorai said of his nephew and niece. He said he had spoken with them on a video call at the hospital where they are staying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/26/world/middleeast/freed-israeli-hostages-captivity.html

"The conversations also reveal that several of the captives said that did not mistreat them, and that their daily routine in captivity was rather fixed. According to the relatives of those released, one of the main difficulties for the captives was boredom and lack of activity. At some point, one of the groups of captives was given a radio receiver and through it they managed to stay updated on what was happening in the country. At the same time, they said that sleeping conditions were difficult, especially for the older captives, who had to sleep on a mattress on the floor or on benches. According to several people who spoke with some of the returned captives, the food was simple and monotonous."

Hebrew: https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2023-11-27/ty-article/0000018c-107d-dd2e-a5ae-d37f35ba0000

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KimPerales, to random
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With >8,000 Palestinians dead in Gaza, most: women & children💔, & the lack of food, water, shelter, power, communications, access to healthcare… civil order has started to break down. Israelis are experiencing a constant bombardment of rockets. There’s not as much carnage & hardship in Israel, but 1,400 died in the initial attack & >200: still held hostage. The atrocities are all horrific, but ’s deliberate actions in Gaza are beyond the pale. https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-10-29-2023-de1a7d660ba2f6d80b3d7aeaae5bb0f3

KimPerales, to random
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We’re grateful for the scheduled hostage release, humanitarian aid & 4-day pause, but the death toll grows in Gaza, with ~13,500 dead, including >5,500 children, 35,180 injured, some severely, & 6,000 people missing. Not enough is being done to protect civilians. Netanyahu is barbaric: “Israeli attacks inside Gaza continued unabated Thursday as an agreement b/w Israel & Hamas to pause hostilities was finally agreed on after a 24-hour delay." https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/23/israel-gaza-hamas-hostage-prisoner-deal-shifa/

oatmeal, to Israel

Majority of Americans 18-24 think should ‘be ended and given to Hamas’

A survey by Harvard-Harris polling, conducted this week, found 51% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 said they believed the long-term answer to the Israel-Palestinian conflict was for “Israel to be ended and given to Hamas and the Palestinians.”

https://nypost.com/2023/12/16/news/majority-of-americans-18-24-think-israel-should-be-ended-and-given-to-hamas/amp/
Previous surveys from same pollster, asking similar questions, were found inconsistent. Might it have something to do with limiting the answer to Hamas, instead of Hamas vs a generic Palestinian authority? I’m pretty sure not being given an option to be specific forced people who support the Palestinians to chose Hamas, even if they don’t condone Hamas’ actions.

https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2023/11/04/politifact-is-it-true-that-50-of-gen-zers-support-hamas/71436111007/

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A pie chart and a table from Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll indicating public support for Israel versus Hamas, with a majority supporting Israel and a title stating voters stand with Israel though young voters are split.

KimPerales, to random
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Israel to pass law allowing state to kill its own citizens. Police officers will only require permission from their commander to shoot at protesters, the broadcaster Kan has reported.

It’s no wonder that were aligned.
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-could-allow-police-shoot-palestinian-protesters

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The Israeli media is once again publishing/recycling IMPACT-se produced reports, claiming to provide evidence of the connection between the curriculum taught in schools and the atrocities committed on October 7, which it claims are a reflection of years of education encouraging hatred in these schools.

The UN responded to these unsubstantiated or misleading allegations earlier this year, and provided a report prepared by the Georg Eckert Institute for International Textbook Research.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unrwa-statement-on-joint-un-watch-institute-for-monitoring-peace-and-cultural-tolerance-in-school-education-impact-se-report

https://owncloud.gei.de/index.php/s/FwkMw8NZgCAJgPW

  • IMPAC-se is an Israeli NGO presented as an "international" monitoring research group

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AP: The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees says thousands of people broke into its aid warehouses to take food and other “basic survival items," which the agency’s director says is “a worrying sign that civil order is starting to break down."

oatmeal, to israel

#domicide must be recognised as an international crime

The massive, arbitrary destruction of civilian housing in violent conflict should be recognised as a crime under international law, the UN’s independent housing rights expert told the General Assembly today [28 October 2022].

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/10/domicide-must-be-recognised-international-crime-un-expert

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#WarCrimes

oatmeal, to Israel

/ Ministers From Netanyahu's Party Join Thousands of Israelis at 'Resettle Gaza' Conference

[…] During the conference, participants were presented with details of Jewish settlements, maps, and the stages of preparation, along with calls for decision-makers to acknowledge that a war victory can only be claimed through the Jewish resettling of the Gaza Strip.

[english] https://archive.is/rKlO5

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KimPerales, to random
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Encouraging: Arab leaders demand end to decades-long cycle of violence & urge renewed effort to reach Israel-Palestinian peace at a Cairo summit. They condemned Israeli bombardment of Gaza as Europeans said civilians should be shielded, but the absence of Israel & senior US officials at the meeting undermined any prospect for halting an escalating war (the US sent representatives). 🕊️ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/cairo-peace-summit-grapples-with-gaza-war-risks-region-rise-2023-10-21/

oatmeal, to israel

It’d be ironic if arming Israeli civilians, as Netanyahu and his buddies suggested, would make them targets for security forces arriving on the scene of a terror attack…

Turns out killed the armed civilian who had killed the two terrorists that carried out the shooting attack at the entrance to .

The civilian was the first to fire at the terrorists, killing them, and the soldiers, who arrived at the scene afterward, thought he was one of the terrorists and killed him.

In a video from the scene of the incident, which was published on social media, the civilian can be seen raising his hands and pleading with the soldiers not to shoot – and afterward being shot and falling to the ground.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-30/ty-article/three-israelis-killed-in-jerusalem-attack-hamas-affiliated-assailants-shot-dead/0000018c-1f4a-da36-a1de-5f6fc5200000

Critics warned that ’s decision regarding arming civilians is an irresponsible decision that will lead to bloodshed and increased violence.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-29/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-says-israel-not-looking-for-escalation-but-prepared-for-anything-after-shootings/00000185-fd64-da5b-a1d5-fd65cac50000

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shiri, to Israel en-us

Just recently had to break it down in a group because it's been flaring up, figured a post would be nice.
This may seem like a Jewish specific topic, but it is important for non-Jews to know as well.
Zionism vs Anti-Zionism.
First of all, if you're a non-Jew it's best to identify with neither as for non-Jews is almost always antisemitic. (And yes I mean both).
This is a one of the biggest bones of contention in the Jewish community and is absolutely a loud argument right now due to current events. Worse yet, it's generally so because of a mix of misunderstandings and extremism.
Zionism
Originally this was the belief that the only way Jews could find some stability and safety would be to form a Jewish state. Once the state was formed, this turned into rabid support for Israel. For the milder of them, it basically boils down to patriotism... for the extremes it's nationalism
The loudest and most well represented of Zionists, however, believe basically that any criticism of Israel is inherently antisemitic, even by fellow Jews.
(How can this be antisemitic for non-jews? Short answer without derailing: Nazis are often Zionist)
Anti-Zionism
Originally this was opposition to the creation of modern Israel, though each person had their own wildly varying reasons.
After the creation, many Anti-Zionists became Zionists. For the rest it mostly transformed into minimizing and addressing the damages caused by the creation of the state (ie. the occupation of Palestine). Many do dream of the potential of dismantling the state, but don't see it as feasible because creating a new humanitarian crisis to solve another isn't an acceptable solution.
They're generally painted by Zionists as if they want to abruptly end the state without addressing the crisis it would cause. (As such even mild Zionists often believe Anti-Zionism to be inherently antisemitic)
(Non-Jews can criticize Israel, but being/identifying-as Anti-Zionist is pretty much reserved for Jews; the exception being victims of Israel)

KimPerales, to random
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🚨War crimes. From MSF: “An MSF staff’s relative died & another one was injured today in an attack on an MSF convoy trying to evacuate 137 ppl -MSF Palestinian staff & their families - trapped for a week in MSF premises located near Shifa hosp. MSF condemns this deliberate attack. At 9am the convoy composed of 5 cars clearly marked with MSF ID incl. 65 children left for S Gaza for a safe place -not allowed to go thru the checkpoint. On the way back 2 cars were deliberately hit💔.”

oatmeal, to Israel

This is what Biden should have said. Sadly he’s too involved if not complicit.
"Part of the problem in the end is 's arrogance," says a U.S. Air Force officer who has been involved in internal deliberations within the administration and discussions with his Israeli counterparts. "Even to us, in private and candid conversations, they have referred to the Hamas surprise attack and its brutality, they have invoked the , they have blamed Hamas, they have referred to 9/11 and argued the 'Never Again' justification for their unforgiving operation. The simple truth is Israel has lost the information war because it has destroyed so much, even if they can justify each individual attack."

https://www.newsweek.com/israels-war-hamas-how-many-palestinian-deaths-too-many-1851121

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KimPerales, to random
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The is complicated & controversial. An Arab-Islamic summit brought together one side, but IL should’ve been there for ongoing peace talks, as well as a 3rd party negotiator. They’ve all supported terrorists, so a level field. There’ll be more carnage, destruction & terrorist groups in Gaza, if nothing changes. Everything should be on table, compromises could lead to peace🕊️. If can’t cooperate, he should be ousted. Pres Biden needs to intervene. https://english.alarabiya.net/News/saudi-arabia/2023/11/11/Arab-Islamic-summit-rejects-describing-Gaza-war-or-justifying-it-as-self-defense-

KimPerales, to random
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Barbarism:

"Israel has killed more aid workers in the last 6 months than have died in all of the countries in the rest of the world combined in any of the last 30 years."
-Tarik Endale

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