ramsey, (edited )
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

Today, I was cut in layoffs. I’m so gutted because I loved this company, & my team was the best; I’ll miss my team most.

Now, as I look ahead, I’m searching for a staff/principal role where I can help other developers level-up through mentoring, tooling/infra, architecture, & improving DX. I’d love to work with a company contributing to open source & even to the #PHP programming language itself.

Update (27 Feb 2024): Thanks, everyone! I’ve accepted an offer. Please see update in thread below.

maccath,
@maccath@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey you are one of the greatest engineers I've ever had the pleasure to work with and I too will miss our team the most. Together, you, I and the rest of platform were the GOAT.

If anyone is able to hire both myself and Ben we absolutely promise to you that we will bring your team to unfathomable heights. 🙇‍♀️

brunty,
@brunty@brunty.social avatar

@maccath @ramsey immediately searching to see if we have openings here, y'all are the dream team!

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

I’d like to close the loop on this and thank everyone who shared the above post and offered support.

I’ve accepted an offer, and next week, I will be starting a new job.

In my 25+ year career, this was the first time I’ve ever been laid off. It was humbling and the most stressful three-and-a-half months of my life.

I know many others are going through similar experiences, and I was privileged to have resources and savings to keep me afloat during this time. (1/2)

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

I know others are not so fortunate, and many have been out of work far longer than I was. I cannot imagine how I would have kept it together much longer.

Give everyone a healthy measure of grace. It’s rough out there.

If I can be of help to anyone (e.g., networking/contacts, advice for resumes/interviews/job offers, referrals, etc.), feel free to ask. I will try to help where I can. (2/2)

ronnorthrip,
@ronnorthrip@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Congrats!

pierstoval,
@pierstoval@mastodon.social avatar

@ramsey Wow gosh, glad you could find an offer that suits you!

I'm looking for the same kind of opportunity right now, and having a hard time finding a fit, even though I haven't been laid off (I actually resigned 4 years ago after 3 burn-outs in one of the most known Symfony-related company because of issues with its upper management, and been a freelancer since).

I hope your new adventure will go well and that you found peace with this harsh layoff! 🕊

kniziol,
@kniziol@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Congratulations. That's an excellent news 😌

Please share more detailed information and your experience.

  1. How and where have you searched for a new position?

  2. Did you search for a job in a US-based company only?

  3. What was working and what was not (networking, GitHub projects, being an open-source developer)?

  4. How much time do you spend daily or weekly? Which activity took most of the time?

  5. Did you get helpful feedback from recruiters? What did they say?

Thanks 💪

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@kniziol 1. Mainly LinkedIn, Otta, and Indeed.
2. Primarily US-based; if not US-based, I need a team with significant US timezone overlap, and I need a company that offers US health insurance benefits.
3. I learned that no one cares about GitHub projects or open source contributions—at all.
4. I spent all day and most evenings job searching. Reading descriptions and filling out applications takes the most time.
5. No. They don’t offer any feedback because they’re afraid of liability.

pollita,
@pollita@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey @kniziol

3/ Not my experience (and yes, I know I'm a bit weird, but so are you). FB 1000% hired me on my OSS chops, and I didn't even touch anything vaguely PHP related for my first two years there. (Granted, that changed...)

Yahoo and Mongo were slightly different stories as I had inside contacts there, so harder to draw a clean line, but FB was pretty focused on the OSS stuff IIRC.

Environment today is VERY different though. It's not the salad days of our youth, brother.

mattbrowndev,
@mattbrowndev@mastodon.social avatar

@pollita @ramsey @kniziol I think the BIG difference today is that most mature tech companies are really numbers-driven.

Unless the company is explicitly developer-focussed (e.g. Microsoft), doing OSS work during office hours that doesn't directly benefit the company's bottom line is unwise.

Working on Psalm negatively impacted my career for a number of years, even though the expertise I acquired ultimately got me my current job.

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@mattbrowndev @pollita @kniziol It’s so demoralizing. 😢

philoupedia,

@ramsey Congrats! Time is hard for someone with your experience find difficult to find something. Hope you like it!

derickr,
@derickr@phpc.social avatar

@pollita @ramsey @kniziol The two inside contacts at MongoDB you only knew due to OSS work though (well, at least me).

pollita,
@pollita@phpc.social avatar

@derickr @ramsey @kniziol I can't imagine the set of circumstances which would be required for me to cross paths with @jmikola were it not for PHP. Even less, @ bjori.

andrewfeeney,
@andrewfeeney@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Really glad to hear it Ben! I hope the new role is a great experience for you!

SenseException,
@SenseException@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey I'm happy for you.

kboyd,
@kboyd@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey I'm so happy to hear that you've found a position!

shochdoerfer,
@shochdoerfer@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Happy to hear that. Best of luck with your new challenge!

janl,
@janl@narrativ.es avatar

@ramsey hell yeah, hooray, hip hip, congrats!

aral,
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar

@ramsey Happy to hear it, Ben :)

dgoosens,
@dgoosens@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey

hello Ben
I'm so happy to read this
congrats to you an to the lucky company that hired you

michael,
@michael@thms.uk avatar

@ramsey oh my goodness. What a relief for you! Congrats!

shawnhooper,
@shawnhooper@fosstodon.org avatar

@ramsey Congrats! I'm really happy to hear you found something.

mrbase,
@mrbase@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Woop Woop 🎉

Crell,
@Crell@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Huzzah! What's the new position, if you can give some details?

brunty,
@brunty@brunty.social avatar

@ramsey I'm glad you've found something, and sorry the search has been such a hard thing.

Onwards to brighter things I hope though! 💖

symfonystation,
@symfonystation@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Congratulations and good luck! Relax for a bit while you can. ;)

MikePageDev,
@MikePageDev@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Congratulations on the new role.

awoodsnet,
@awoodsnet@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey that’s great news! Congratulations on the new position!

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@awoodsnet Thanks!

JosephLeedy,
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@ramsey Congrats! 👏🏽

blizzz,
@blizzz@layer8.space avatar

@ramsey Congratulations, I am happy for you! Was also sorta shocked to see how long it took you to find something good. All the best with the new job!

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@blizzz Thanks! I was shocked, too.

Beachbum,
@Beachbum@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@ramsey someone from Germany had an interesting job offer at the beginning of the week that I saw. If I can find it, I will repost it. Not sure if you’re able to relocate.

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@Beachbum I’m not able to relocate or work remote for a company where the team is all in Europe only. Thanks for thinking about me, though. 🙂

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@Beachbum (That latter bit is just because it makes it difficult to work together, not because I have any problem working for a European company.)

saki,
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@ramsey I can't believe you would be cut in layoffs!

nielsdos,
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@ramsey That really sucks, sorry to hear that. All the best of luck in search for your next opportunity!

JosephLeedy,
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@ramsey Sorry to hear about that. I’m sure you’ll land on your feet fairly soon. Best of luck!

shiflett,
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@ramsey I’m so sorry to hear that, Ben. I hope you can afford to take a little time for yourself before your next adventure.

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@shiflett Thanks, Chris. I'm privileged to have some cushion, so I'm planning to take some time to chill before starting my next thing. 🙂

awoodsnet,
@awoodsnet@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Sorry to hear that. I’ll keep an eye out for something that fits your interest.

shawnhooper,
@shawnhooper@fosstodon.org avatar

@ramsey Ah, that sucks. Sorry Ben. Hopefully you find a great new position soon.

Crell,
@Crell@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey Ugh. That sucks. I really wish my company were hiring PHP devs right now, but... 😞

shochdoerfer,
@shochdoerfer@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey sorry to hear ;(

dgoosens,
@dgoosens@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey
sorry to hear that Ben...
hope you'll find a nice new gig with lots of contributing to !

aral, (edited )
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar

@ramsey Sorry to hear it, Ben. Best of luck in finding a new gig (and here’s to a world, one day, maybe, where we wouldn’t have to spend so much time and effort on guaranteeing the bare necessities of life so we could all just work on things that make all our lives better).

nofollownoindex,
@nofollownoindex@deppenkessel.de avatar

@ramsey nextcloud is currently hiring PHP devs

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@nofollownoindex How strict is the “must live in CET timezone” requirement?

kboyd,
@kboyd@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey oh no :(

sarah,

@ramsey Depending on how you feel about WordPress, this opening at my company might be of interest! https://www.yokoco.com/career/full-stack-web-developer-wordpress-more/

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@sarah The company mission and ethos is definitely interesting to me, which is something I never thought I’d say about a digital marketing company. 😉

annika,
@annika@xoxo.zone avatar

@ramsey Sorry to hear that, Ben. Hope you find something new soon.

mitelg,
@mitelg@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey we are building an open source e-commerce platform. based in Germany, with colleagues in whole Europe, Vietnam and the US.
strongly established in German speaking countries and other European countries, we are currently expanding into the US market.
If this sounds interesting, let me know 😁

https://github.com/shopware/shopware
https://www.shopware.com/en/

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@mitelg This does look interesting. Let’s talk.

mitelg,
@mitelg@phpc.social avatar

@ramsey I will write you a pm 👍

sean,
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@ramsey Sorry to hear that. Rough times for that kind of thing. )-:

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