dansup, to random
@dansup@mastodon.social avatar

I'm still surprised at the level of retention that @pixelfed has without push notification or email notifications

You can build something both ethical and pretty that will encourage natural/organic growth and use 😉 ✨

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@dansup @pixelfed did you want push notifications? I found using ntfy.sh was the easiest dead simple way to get notifications going for

ben, to random
@ben@werd.social avatar
devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@ben very neat. My only detraction from this is that it precludes other projects from implementing first-class support because of its paid nature (but I 100% understand the need to do so, hosting isn't free!)

Bundling the open source server in with a project also seems like it'd be complicated, so at least for it sounds like we may still have to forge on ahead with our own implementation.

seachanger, (edited ) to random
@seachanger@alaskan.social avatar

the best thing masto can do right now, imo, is to prioritize features & support for organizing communities.This is why facebook has society in its jaws, people are able to easily create, find, and post in any number of communities they overlap with.

if mastodon or an adjacent fediverse platform can better facilitate self-organizing communities, they will win all the spoils and then some

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@jdp23 @supakaity @NorCal_Lynne @scott @eco_amandine @seachanger re: , that's definitely something on our radar! Coming up with a proper groups implementation is something we what to prioritize for our first iteration.

Whether that's something we'd use with user groups, or whether it'd be group chats, I'm not sure yet 🙂

devnull, (edited ) to mastodon
@devnull@crag.social avatar

This weekend, traffic increased so much on that I think my little cloud VPS is starting to struggle to keep up with the volume of incoming content. My feed is about 15 minutes behind, currently 😬

I think I may just throw in the towel and move on over to

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@multiverseofbadness @Jerry yeah I'm used to running on a potato server, so I was really surprised that a single-user instance needed such beef.

Although I guess 2GB is not a lot of beef. It's all relative 😁

I'm simultaneously excited and dreading to see how NodeBB can handle a really active inbox...

drewdevault, to random
@drewdevault@fosstodon.org avatar

Shoutout to all of the contributors to SourceGraph whose work was just made closed source, big thanks to SourceGraph for pissing on them, I'm sure they really appreciate it. All those users who thought your FOSS product was really cool surely still think your product is super cool now that you've taken their rights away

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@drewdevault I'm not sure why you're being so aggressive right now.

There's no exclusive right to commercialization with , none is expected, and someone could start a competitor with our software if they so wished.

I reached out to try to have a civil discussion about our rationale for requiring a CLA, and to explore alternative solutions, but you seem more interested in shaming others instead of talking.

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@drewdevault not new to me, but while I've been able to dismiss it as a minority opinion before, it's still nagging.

is GPLv3 w/ CLA for contributors. The ONLY reason we do this is so we can re-license it for corporations whose lawyers balk at GPLv3.

You have no reason to believe me when I say that ☝️.

Which sucks, so how do you solve the problem of corporate lawyers raising issue with your permissive license?

I'd really prefer to do continue to do business with them, in general.

nodebb, to fediverse
@nodebb@fosstodon.org avatar

Mea culpa time — you might've heard that we're hacking away (in the best sense of the word) at support in , but it turns out someone asked for it back in 2019 and it got zero buy-in from our founders 😥

https://github.com/NodeBB/NodeBB/issues/8095

But hey, at least we're getting to it, 3.5 years later 😃

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@shoq that would be very welcome and is much appreciated. At some point I'll have a private beta for testing.

The thing is I myself am very new to the . There's a lot of nuance and expectations over how fediverse apps work, that ought to follow. There's a time and a place to push boundaries and break things, but I don't think that time is now 😉. Working with people experienced with the status quo would provide a good objective review.

multiverseofbadness, to beer
@multiverseofbadness@toot.wales avatar

Current mood - happy / day from !

multiverseofbadness,
@multiverseofbadness@toot.wales avatar

@mariusor

Cin cin!

Also - checked out BrutalLinks just yeaterday and will look in more after this exhausting trip! 🤣 I've been working on a fediverse client for myself I want to ultimately incorporate it into my online game but also add better fediverse safety features

@devnull has a great message board program at he's been incorporating ActivityPub into as well and is putting together a small resource group for ActivityPub coders to share thoughts.. wanted to introduce you two!

rmdes, to fediverse
@rmdes@mstdn.social avatar

Thinking about Hacker News but sprinkled with

imagine being able to reply and participate to any post from the and with have fediverse comments mingled with native HN activity.

+ and we shift the balance back in the open web.

rmdes,
@rmdes@mstdn.social avatar

I could easily do a test with this idea using RSS to autofeed a or forum and then consume the firehose from , just for fun!

Image from Microsoft SwiftKey Keyboard

feditips, to fediverse
@feditips@mstdn.social avatar

The free open source forum software NodeBB is now working on official Fediverse support. Federation isn't ready yet, but if this interests you, you might want to follow their account:

➡️ @nodebb

Their official website is at https://nodebb.org and the co-founder of NodeBB is at @devnull

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@stanford good point! We don't highlight the aspect as much because we sell hosting, professional support & maintenance, and custom dev in order to feed ourselves and fund development of the forum software. We're a one product shop and every dollar we earn goes towards 🙂

I like to stay principled when it comes to our offering. You won't see a gimped "community" version while gating the cool stuff behind a paywall. Most things we build are available to everyone under license.

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@bgtlover also related, both display their replies threaded, which is different from which is linear by default. Different but not better or worse. NodeBB can support threaded too, but linear is the happy path for us.

ArtBear, to fediverse

The isolated corporate "social" sites we used have competitors here in the #Fediverse but here they all interlock and share communities. A picture to help out our #RedditMigration who may not be yet aware of the wider Fediverse of linked platforms and software.
#Kbin #Lemmy #Threadiverse #Mastodon #Calckey #Friendica #Mobilizon #Pixelfed #Peertube #Owncast #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #WriteFreely #BookWyrm

ArtBear,

@73ms @ArtBear @maegul @ArtBear

For the moment, when Lemmy can connect to tens of thousands (MAUs), & Kbin can connect to millions (MAUs). Personally I'm going to go with my Kbin account.

Both platforms need development. Also other forum platforms are taking up ActivityPub so this space on the Fediverse is going to expand & evolve quite a bit.

tchambers, (edited ) to fediverse

Hi @evan @cwebber@pfefferle
Timely question: Does anyone know the status of a formal or informal building out an test suite, akin to the one used to test http://webmention.rocks but for Acitivity pub.

I know the activitypub.rocks effort ended & I see this one that seemed to evolve from that but has been derelict for a while.

Is there any other effort active?

https://github.com/go-fed/testsuite

and: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/unofficial-test-suite-go-fed-testsuite/805

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swicg/2023Mar/0215.html

tchambers,

@devnull @robz @evan @cwebber @pfefferle @OpinionatedGeek @nodebb @devnull @dansup
@benpate
OK tomorrow will try setting one up and if we hate it we can move to something else, but can't wait for federated for a real solution!

Super encouraging to see this activity today, thanks to you all.

devnull, (edited )
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@robz @tchambers @evan @cwebber @pfefferle @OpinionatedGeek @nodebb @devnull @dansup put it on and we have a deal.

Oh wait, it's not federated yet 😂

Seriously, though, I am game to try. My experience with groups on Mastodon has been meh because like @robz said, it's not exactly intuitive.

I like the idea of ad-hoc working groups that form and dissipate. ✅

/cc @multiverseofbadness

darius, to random
@darius@friend.camp avatar

I have been using a $100 temporary Android phone while waiting for my fancy phone to get replaced under warranty and the experience with the stock OS is just so so bad. Like barely usable most of the time. Even the GPS and wifi don't work well.

Most people worldwide use cheap Android phones on old versions of the OS and this was a good reminder that just because my mobile app/site works well on my fancy phone, it might work hardly at all for most people.

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@dalias heheh touche, sites should work on < 3G too!

has issues with uber slow connections, something I don't like, but would love to fix. It's that initial 400kb js payload, sometimes that's enough when combined with a flaky connection, to stop the page from loading properly.

nodebb, to RedditMigration
@nodebb@fosstodon.org avatar

With all this going on, there's been a renewed interest in , especially with integration.

We've got @devnull working on it. I'm hoping we don't miss the boat by the time it can be rolled out, but we want to do right by the and come out swinging with a highly interoperable frontend to the fediverse-at-large.

Stay tuned here for more info as the story (and branch) develops!

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@tchambers @nodebb I've been vaguely following along, mostly because @smallcircles lets me know when something happens on that front. I honestly wish them the best. If , Discourse, and Flarum all federate, that's only a win for the

carnage4life, to random
@carnage4life@mas.to avatar

A fundamental challenge for decentralized apps like Mastodon & Bluesky which are copies of Twitter is that Twitter never figured out communities.

Self moderated instances are conceptually incompatible with a global feed. You need the timeline equivalent of the Reddit front page & subreddits.

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@jdp23 @carnage4life for example, a forum has (sub-)categories, and a feed if present is incidental.

I could (and probably should) provide two-way communication between and , but I only really have to provide context wrt the reply chain.

Situation is of course in flux 🤓

devnull, (edited ) to random
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@trwnh you said earlier today — "having a topic is a useful feature or abstraction, and i'd like to see literally any support or thought given to it"

💯 will do. A post created in @nodebb will have a topic associated with it in its metadata as you've suggested. That just makes complete sense. It would continue to exist in the (sub-)category hierarchy already present in

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@trwnh The reverse is a different story — if someone mentions someone from , how would that look?

I might create some sort of pseudo-category for that. As long as I can keep going up the inReplyTo chain to reach the root-level post/note, then I can render the entire "topic", such as it is.

I don't know how I'd render an entire tree of post replies, but that is a problem for future me.

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@trwnh @nodebb happens to display everything in a linear format (as opposed to threaded), so viewing some particularly active threads from in their entirety might get a little confusing, but it's the easiest way for me to not subvert user expectations when using the forum.

also does support threaded view, but not by default (requires some customization)

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@trwnh ahh.. got it... best effort would be whatever the instance ends up having pushed to it, I suppose... because even with a context, that doesn't necessarily mean I am able to get the whole thread.

devnull, (edited ) to fediverse
@devnull@crag.social avatar

As it turns out, a lot of verbs and objects correspond quite nicely with verbs and objects (e.g. a like would be an upvote, etc.)

However I'm not exactly sure how the "announce" verb would translate. In , "announce" is a "boost". The closest forum-land equivalent would be the "bump", whereby a topic is brought back to the top of the list (usually through a reply).

Only downside, bumps are reserved for admins. Non-admins "bump" a topic by replying to it.

🤔 🧵 (1/3)

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@trwnh Some good ideas for me to explore. also has the concept of topic references, although it functions more like backlinks. Shoe-horning announce into that also doesn't seem right, so I'll have to dwell on it a bit more.

The other neat thing is that posts in NodeBB also aren't strictly tied to topics, so it's fairly easy for us to support recursive chains of inReplyTo in the backend. One less thing to think about.

znarky, to random

People hate Facebook but the groups can be good. My local native plant gardening group is delightful. The only problem is that get too many notifications for all of the useful comments.

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@jdp23 @znarky Being able to tag/mention a group is one of those neat decisions that already does, and would fit quite nicely with

daviwil, to fediverse
@daviwil@fosstodon.org avatar

Having some vague morning thoughts about how one might make a hybrid forum/social site based on ActivityPub.

Imagining a federated social feed with additional groups/topics which may or may not federate off-instance.

Obviously one can "create" topics with hashtags today, but I think it might be interesting to have a more focused organization of posts.

Thoughts?

devnull,
@devnull@crag.social avatar

@jdp23 @jonny initially the concept behind the R&D push was to find a way to network disparate instances together. I was initially going to design a bespoke protocol of sorts when I also happened to coincidentally explore Mastodon and at the same time. The pieces fell into place after that...! Not the whole picture by any stretch, but the broad strokes for sure.

nodebb, to random
@nodebb@fosstodon.org avatar

We sometimes field requests from people who want to import their existing users in from a separate user database. While we normally recommend the use of a single sign-on plugin () to act as an alternative authenticator, we also now support user import via CSV.

https://community.nodebb.org/topic/17385/nodebb-plugin-import-users-csv-user-migration-via-csv-upload/1

nodebb, to random
@nodebb@fosstodon.org avatar

Back in April, we updated our publish scripts to push new images to the GitHub Container Repository instead of — if you use Docker to deploy , switching is pretty straightforward.

We also detail our reasons for switching.

https://community.nodebb.org/topic/17112/now-publishing-images-to-github-container-registry-registry-migration-faq

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