He wrote a great article back in January entitled “Moderate people, not code” that is good background
> “Whether ActivityPub or ATProto or webmention, the underlying technical protocol a community uses to interact online is a poor way to judge who they are and whether you might like them.”
Seit letzter Woche braucht man keinen Invite-Code mehr um sich bei Bluesky anzumelden, die wesentlich spannendere Info steht aber, wie beiläufig erwähnt, im letzten Abschnitt:
This month, we’ll be rolling out an experimental early version of “federation,” or the feature that makes the network so open and customizable. On Bluesky, you’ll have the freedom to choose (and the right to leave) instead of being held to the whims of private companies or black box algorithms. And wherever you go, your friends and relationships can go with you.
Ich bin gespannt wie Bluesky federation umsetzen wird. Auf mich wirkt das ATProtocol immer noch viel zu kompliziert und „overengineered“, aber vielleicht ist das ja auch gerade der Vorteil gegenüber ActivityPub.
Ich hatte vorgestern einen kleinen Plausch mit @deadsuperhero für den Decentered Podcast, in wir unter anderem auch über die Schwierigkeiten bei der Implementierung von ActivityPub sprachen. Da WordPress in vielen verschiedenen Umgebungen laufen muss und sich die Konfiguration des Webservers, die PHP Version, das Caching, die Interferenz mit anderen Plugins und andere spezial Fälle nicht seht gut abschätzen lassen, ist es sehr schwer komplexere Funktionalitäten umzusetzen.
Ein Beispiel: Im Gegensatz zu OStatus, wo die Distribution von neuen Inhalten über PubSubHubbub (jetzt WebSub) geregelt wurde, ist bei ActivityPub der Service selbst dafür verantwortlich. Ein direktes Verteilen der Inhalte, direkt nach dem Veröffentlichen, würde bei großen Follower zahlen, den Prozess unnötig in die Länge ziehen, oder könnte sogar zu einem Fehler oder einem kompletten Abbruch führen. Um dem (so gut es geht) entgegen zu wirken, wird der Prozess asynchron über WP_Cron abgearbeitet. Leider ist aber auch das keineGarantie für einen fehlerfreien Ablauf (Siehe Ende des vorherigen Absatzes).
Lange Rede kurzer Sinn: Abhängig davon wie simpel ein Personal Data Server kurz PDS aufgebaut ist, könnte Bluesky vielleicht doch interessanter sein als ich ursprünglich angenommen habe.
Hey #Socialcoop friends, a question: what would you think of us piloting a Personal Data Server for Bluesky under the co-op? No commitment, just an experiment.
@Matt_Noyes@ntnsndr@robin it’s a genuine request if there is interest, because we know some people who are interested and setting up a new co-op is more work.
And by Bluesky, we mean #ATProtocol - running open source PDS server where user data is delegated for hosting.
I’ll add my interest: because I don’t think there is one open social protocol that will win and would like to share the experience of PDS hosting with an international group.
“Bluesky could be the future of content moderation”.
I 100% disagree.
Yes, the protocol offers a plethora of ways to filter content and ensure you never come across, say, Nazis.
But that’s not what content moderation is. Content moderation is making decisions. It is either welcoming or refusing certain types of content on your platform.
If you’re letting everyone in, and telling your users "but you have control!", you’re not moderating anything. You’re just quitting.
@ekana@nileane
Here's a good post regarding how #BlueSky and the #ATProtocol intends to handle moderation once it starts to federate.
I also reply with some concerns I think NEED to be addressed before it starts.
The current system seems to enable harassment since you can hop relays to evade moderation and pile on victims who are unaware that they're even being targeted.
That is, until the amount of people piling on spills over your filter..
I was very impressed with how easy #BlueSky makes it to claim a domain name handle.
I uploaded a small text file to .well-known and my account is now "@edent.tel"
I'm not convinced that #ATprotocol is brilliant - but Mastodon server providers could learn from the simplicity of getting a personalised domain up and running.
Social networks, and websites with a social element, are starting to migrate from being walled gardens towards interoperation and open standards. This is comparable to the adoption of email standards by companies such as AOL in the 1990's....
BlueSkys official #ATProtocol account just highlighted a community developer project to bridge it with #ActivityPub
#BlueSky early on decided not to go with the open #W3C standard in favor of implementating features like account migration. Planning to start federating next year, they've made some decisions I'm skeptical about.
I'm studying the docs, and I have a question for those who might know better:
The big thing AT is promising is better portability across instances (when such instances appear). My understanding of the docs (https://atproto.com/guides/overview#account-portability) is that this is made possible, in part, by having a copy of my data on my client.
So, I do have a bsky.app account. Where is my local data? I don't see any anywhere. Is that not implemented yet?
#Streams galaxy
-- note 1: communication with the Fediverse is standard practice in this universe.
#Hubzilla galaxy
-- note 1: developed a way to communicate across the Mycelial Web (a.k.a. the multiverse). Can also communicate with BlueSky and diaspora.
#Friendica galaxy
-- note 1: developed a way to communicate across the Mycelial Web (a.k.a. the multiverse). Can also communicate with BlueSky and diaspora.
#X#Twitter Mycelium (closed borders; isolated; have not discovered there are other mycelium/universes besides their own)
#Tumblr Mycelium (closed borders; isolated; rumours has it their government decided against connecting with the other mycelium/universes, but they are aware)
#Flickr Mycelium (closed borders; isolated; aware of other mycelium/universes)
The #IndieWeb service #Bridgy is ready to handle bridge AT protocol and ActivityPub protocol posts and replies once federation is enabled in production (already working in sandbox test server).
The format will be:
To follow a #Fediverse account from BlueSky / AT protocol: <username>.<server_domain>.ap.brid.gy
To follow a BlueSky / AT protocol user: <username>@atproto.brid.gy
Example: @atp.youronly.one@atproto.brid.gy
This allows users from each side to see new posts and to reply to these threads.
What is more interesting is that, if you have IndieWeb support on your website or blog, you will see comments from BlueSky / AT protocol appear as a comment, thanks to #Webmention. It is already possible to do this with Fediverse / ActivityPub. ^_~
Soziales Netzwerk Bluesky - eine echte Alternative zu X?
Die Plattform Bluesky könnte eine Alternative sein zum Kurznachrichten-Dienst X, der seit der Übernahme durch Elon Musk Nutzer verliert. Welche Erfolgschancen hat das neue Netzwerk? Von David Zajonz.
@tagesschau The discussion about #mastadon or #bluesky shouldn't be religious and personally I find the technical aspects about the #atprotocol vs. #activitypub quite interesting. From a users POV there at Bluesky it's much easier to build your social networks and decide yourself what kind of algorithm (feed) you want to follow. This is a big plus compared to linear timelines and setting up your network here on Mastadon. The avg. John Doe will vote for Bluesky bc it's easier in that respect.
@FinchHaven and what's funnier is they still push for #Bluesky which is pretty damn broken between moderation, an invite only system at present, no 2FA, and it's still a freaking centralized system for now. Where as #ActivityPub on #Mastodon is already a @w3c accepted standard, and #ATprotocol still isn't even really developed for proper use yet. I already have a way larger audience here on Mastodon, more engagement, and it's on my own infrastructure of choice. This is already working
I've released an update to my "Skythread" Bluesky thread reader - it's now available without authentication, so you can share thread links with people who don't have an account. I've moved it from GitHub pages to my own server now: https://blue.mackuba.eu/skythread/
Also as a bonus: it now has a dark mode 🌚 (beta, will need some tweaks)
Account portability in the social web (underlap.org)
Social networks, and websites with a social element, are starting to migrate from being walled gardens towards interoperation and open standards. This is comparable to the adoption of email standards by companies such as AOL in the 1990's....