ChrisMayLA6,
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On privatisation, three decades ago, the water companies were passed to private investors debt free. Since then:

£78bn has been paid out in dividends

£64bn in debt has been taken o across the sector, and

£190bn has been spent on water infrastructure.... which given the current sewage & related crisis has been clearly inadequate!

Water firms across England want increases in bill of up to 70% in the next five years.

Like the railways, (re)nationalisation looks like the rational answer

pettter,
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@ChrisMayLA6 Well the rational answer is not really renationalisation, but renationalisation with a) demanding, on pain of prison, as much of the profits back as possible, b) the cancelling of unreasonable parts of the debt, as well as c) legal measures to prevent the re-privatization of important infrastructure

frankcat,
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@ChrisMayLA6 Privatization of public utilities is a scam - it results in cherry picking for profit, a de-investment until the whole infrastructure starts to fail with catastrophic effect Examples are everywhere - American railroads, Australian electricity networks, UK water supplies. The business of private companies is making money - if by some happy chance everybody keep getting water so much the better.

alexproe,
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@ChrisMayLA6 Wasn't privatisation supposed to have saved us all lots of money?

OliverNoble,
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@alexproe @ChrisMayLA6 privatisation was partly to shift the costs of improving sewage infrastructure from taxpayers to consumers

Effectively moving from a progressive tax to a regressive one

mikewaghorne,

@OliverNoble How much have the water companies spent on infrastructure investment compared to shareholder payments?

OliverNoble,
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@mikewaghorne the numbers are helpfully provided by @ChrisMayLA6 at the start of the thread -what's your point?

My point was that one motivation for privatisation was to shift the burden from wealthier tax payers (under a progressive tax system) to poorer consumers

mikewaghorne,

@OliverNoble @ChrisMayLA6 Thanks. I didn't have a 'point'. It was a genuine question.

OliverNoble,
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@mikewaghorne
sorry, i mistook a genuine question for a rhetorical one - i guess i was over-thinking

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