YuzuDrink,

Maybe it’ll perform slightly better now. Consider me slightly less disinterested, I guess. Might even grab it on sale on principle now they’ve pulled denuvo…

wryan,
wryan avatar

I was actually slightly interested in this when I first saw the gameplay, but after seeing a bit of the dialogue in a trailer I was flabbergasted by how cringey it was. It seems like it was written by a teenager who just got done watching pulp fiction for the first time and wanted to see how many cuss words they could cram into each sentence.

Neato,
Neato avatar

Good news for the 0 people still interested in playing it.

ZoeyBear,

It crashed on my system with a 3090 FTW and 32 gigs of DDR4 ram denuvo ruined any potential that game had. I was so excited for a female lead game and I couldn’t even make it through the tutorial due to crashing.

TwilightVulpine,

They say a GTX 1060 should run it, strange how some recent games seem to run worse on better computers.

DarkThoughts,

You make it sound like there's no games with female leads.

ADHDefy,
ADHDefy avatar

I mean, there are comparatively few. Especially AAA games, we probably only get a couple of games with female leads per year at best.

EDIT: Female leads that aren't hypersexualized, that is. lol

DarkThoughts,

A lot of AAA games (which I find already weird to single out non AAA games) offer free character customization or at least a gender choice. Of fixed characters there's a bunch too, some with multiple games (Horizon, Control, Hellblade, Life is Strange, A Plague Tale, Alien Isolation, Mirrors Edge, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, 2013+ Tomb Raider, The Last of Us, Metroid, Half Life Alyx, Kena, etc.). There's even more if you'd consider indie titles too.

pgetsos,
pgetsos avatar

To be fair he said "a couple of games with female leads per year at best"

Most of your list are older games. ME is probably more than a decade old?

DarkThoughts,

The second game came out in 2016. And like I said, a lot of games nowadays let you chose your gender or have proper character customization. So you can freely chose to play a male or female lead in those games.

harmonea, (edited )
harmonea avatar

While a customizable protagonist with gender choice is nice, it's not really in the same discussion category. A static protagonist -- a lead character with a personality, characterization, and growth arc -- is a different thing. And for those to be women, let alone well-written women, is comparatively much rarer. One major reviewer I watch often did a diversity breakdown of recently reviewed games and it's kinda bleak (photo attached, here's the source). Improving, but bleak.

Let alone many of the women we're given fall into some pretty common pitfalls for writing women (here's a good discussion on that subject in the context of a specific show--Arcane--but the advice is pretty damn solid and generally applicable) so even with the examples we have, we're often left wanting. Which is why, despite my inclusion of a pie chart above as quick data to digest the problem, it's important not to look at diversity in games as a checkbox. It's nice to be able to play as Kassandra instead of Alexios, but adding a throwaway line every 15th quest about how some rando isn't sure a woman can handle this job doesn't help make me feel like Kassandra is on my wavelength.

And this isn't even a vital issue for me. I've been playing as Mario since I was 6. As Snake, as Ezio, as Link, as Geralt, as Cloud... a good game is a good game no matter who leads it.

....but it's really nice to feel like a dev gets me sometimes, and it's so rare.

DarkThoughts,

While a customizable protagonist with gender choice is nice, it's not really in the same discussion category. A static protagonist -- a lead character with a personality, characterization, and growth arc -- is a different thing.

Very hard disagree. I'd say it's even two steps ahead of having fixed gendered characters that in the end will just fall into certain gender stereotypes. Having the choice of gender, and more and more commonly even separated from the biological sex, gives players the freedom to play the character they want to play, instead of being forced into one gender role or the other, including all its potential stereotypes. As much as I like characters like Ellie, which is actually my favorite video game character, I will still always prefer games to have character customization. The problem here is more of a logistical one because you'll obviously need more voice recordings, and potentially motion capturing, depending on how story intensive the games are.

Also, your own graphic kind of disproves your claim? Bunched together, the female pie pieces might not quite as big as the male ones, but it's actually somewhat close (I'd estimate about 2/3 if we'd combine them). And the largest piece is unspecified, which, assuming they didn't include genderless proptagonists like animals or robots in this chart, would be the one that gives people the choice.

harmonea, (edited )
harmonea avatar

Also, your own graphic kind of disproves your claim? Bunched together, the female pie pieces might not quite as big as the male ones, but it's actually somewhat close

What? It's nowhere near. Half the size of the males at best. Now I know you aren't approaching this discussion in good faith.

Gender affects how you experience life and molds the kind of person you become. The writing behind a customizable character simply doesn't take that into account. But as you aren't here in good faith, you'll respond that this is a good thing, somehow, because you're used to being represented and understood by the writers of all these characters.

Well, at least I can still convince others by leaving this here.

gullible,

You get to play as a gendered robot, for all the consequences and vague sociopolitical intrigue that implies in this story-driven action rpg.

That sounds neat and the movement’s nice.

Now join us in staring up the skirt of this big titty goth anime girl

Visible disappointment

SlothMama,

I honestly liked it a lot, and it ended up being one of my favorite games this year.

LeHoz,

What has made it your favourite game this year? I’m not trying to have a dig, I’m just interested in hearing different opinions from the usual ones.

SlothMama,

It feels like a fairytale to me, I guess in some ways it gives me the same feeling that the show ‘Once Upon a Time’ did on my first watch. The world is interesting, it’s got incredible lore, it’s just not in your face.

There are some strong emotional moments and Grey feels relatable to me. I know she was criticized for being unlikeable, but she feels like a real person to me, she doesn’t want to be a hero and she’s not afraid to tell you, she’s not only a reluctant hero, she’s not a hero and that’s real.

There were some amazing set pieces, and the bosses are pretty intense and each one is really unique. There were some plot twists I wasn’t expecting too. It oozes mystery and it doesn’t really give you all the answers.

There are legit criticisms, the world is way too big and empty, there is only one city in the entire game with NPCs, and it has Jack all for side quests. I would recommend ignoring most of the open world and sticking to the story beats, you’ll have a better experience.

I also think the world feels real and lived in, there are entire villages and cities, all abandoned, but feel fully realized, almost like they were going to have NPCs and they just went a different direction.

LeHoz,

That was an interesting read, thanks for taking the time to reply. It’s always good to hear different points of view, especially on something that is usually spoken of so negatively.

Viking_Hippie,

Yay! Probably still not gonna play it, but who knows? Maybe good games will follow their example 🤞🤞🤞

dvdnet90,
@dvdnet90@lemmy.world avatar

That’s quite fast compared to triangle strategy

TwilightVulpine,

It probably wasn't selling enough to pay for the Denuvo fees.

The only good thing about Denuvo is that by putting game companies through the subscription service BS, it's almost sure that they will drop it eventually.

whenigrowup356,

Ok but, is it any good now?

bappity,
@bappity@lemmy.world avatar

still shit

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