Since #Facebook/#Meta is apparently going to start testing #Fediverse/#Mastodon integration for their #P92/#Barcelona/#Threads “platform” soon, let's do another round of reminders of what this entails and why their instance and IPs should be blocked now with extreme prejudice.
Politicians, quick! Get your institutions to onboard on communication systems designed by monsters* who've literally designed previous products to target and abuse working class teenagers! The masses could get a free internet, so don't waste a second, and create your free account now!!
Analysing power relationships, it makes more sense to assume billionaires to only have one value, which is to amass as much economic capital as possible, making any humanization contrary to trivial sociological common sense. (Ask me about sociological modelling!)
In the past I searched the Fediverse for some people I am mutuals with on other platforms.
Some I found. Most I didn't.
But I haven't re-searched for most of them (on the Fediverse) recently.
With something like this, I could express my interest in following them whenever they join (without necessarily having to re-search for them every few months).
One of the "defederate with Threads" arguments being advanced is that "Threads is about harvesting user's data"
Which, ok, sure - Threads is about harvesting Threads users data, that part I get.
What part of this setup, though, allows Threads to harvest other people's data (ie, the fediverse in general), in a way that can be genuinely blocked by defederating with them?
@wogan maybe people think the behaviour is unacceptable and therefore they want to withdraw all forms of support, even if it doesn't affect their server?
Un problème majeur avec les comparaisons entre l'EEE d'XMPP et #P92 est qu'elles semblent ignorer qu'encore aujourd'hui, XMPP est un protocole acceptable pour des communautés techies qui en connaissent et acceptent les limites. Il ne peut pas en aller de même avec mon chéri si je ne les connais pas moi-même, ou si l'un·e d'entre nous utilise un serveur mal géré, et donc potentiellement non fiable ou/et non sécurisé (par exemple, mon chéri ne veut plus entendre parler d'XMPP depuis qu'il a été au Maroc sans pouvoir me joindre ; l'admin m'a dit, six mois plus tard et sans embarras, que les appels ne fonctionnaient pas et qu'il ne savait pas pourquoi).
Pour des communications internes dans une communauté techie c'est pas un souci, mais pour ramener des potes, ou pire, un groupe militant, c'est un super moyen d'être perçu·e comme “pas sérieux·se”
Bei @digitalcourage haben wir noch nicht entschieden, ob wir Metas Fediverse-Instanz(en) aus unseren Instanzen aussperren werden. Noch funktioniert bei threads.net das Föderieren nicht. Das kann sich aber jederzeit ändern.
Wer vorbeugend ausschließen will, dass die eigenen Tröts zu Meta/Threads gelangen, kann sich mit folgender Anleitung abschotten:
I'm honestly a bit taken aback by some of the proponents of #Threads
Not by them carrying water for #Meta mind you, that's their prerogative, more so by the way they go about it
I've seen the most strained analogies and the most contorted arguments being uttered by people that I know are too smart and too honest to utter things that are so incongruous with their own standards of intellectual honesty
Not sure how much more I can add without repeating myself
#Meta launching #Threads and being more successful on its own merits, or dare I say, even be better than Mastodon (successful ≠ better) is not the same to me as #Meta executing an embrace, extend, extinguish strategy
One is (more) merit based and the other is based on throwing around one’s weight
FOSS/non-FOSS is irrelevant to me, I also took issue with MS’ EEE strategies which didn’t always involve FOSS projects
@keithzg@aral@gourd in practice it really isn't being enforced in the UK at all, and many of the grandfathered consumer protection laws that arose from being an EU member state are now being dismantled or rewritten to be weaker. Johnson's prattling about going back to imperial units was an attempt to justify the rewrite, since metric units are enshrined in product law.
the legislative climate in the EU is vastly more hostile to data shenanigans than it is in the UK right now.
Given the timeline for the release of #threads, it's painfully obvious that #p92 was not in good faith. What kind of changes based on admin feedback could possibly have happened between then and now?
I don't know all that is in the NDA that Eugene and the other Admins signed, but I wonder if it was just a trap they all gladly walked into.
They are now bound by a legal agreement that can be weaponized against them, even unfairly, under threat of a lawsuit, to keep them from disclosing any technical information that other Fediverse Admins and users would like to know about relating to how Threads will integrate and what their long term plans are.
This is information that Eugene would have otherwise gotten from the beginning through observation, but now he's muzzled and can't act as a leader for us. Can't tell us what he sees. Can't give us statistics. Kind of think he and the others were played.
Anytime he starts talking about Threads in a way they don't like, they can just start threatening a lawsuit, which nobody has the resources to defend against. They can point to something in the NDA and claim the clause is violated, especially if they wrote the clauses in a nebulous way.
Nobody should sign an NDA unless they too have something to protect, IMHO.