medigoth, to free
@medigoth@qoto.org avatar

Look, you either believe the concepts of and apply to platforms, or you don’t.

You can say the only applies to the , not entities—which is undeniably true—and therefore sites have no obligation to provide a platform for speech the owners of the site don’t like. This is a reasonable and defensible position.

Or you can say social media sites are the new , and therefore the owners have a moral if not legal obligation to allow anyone to say practically anything using their platforms. You can even point out that the government charters corporations, and is responsible for a lot of , so by allowing censorship in that particular environment, the government is at least complicit in interfering with free speech rights. This is also a reasonable and defensible position.

Maybe you can even try to find some kind of well-articulated middle ground between these positions, although I have to say I don’t remember ever seeing anyone do so. I think most people do hold opinions somewhere between the two, but they don’t tend to spell it out.

What they do instead is argue either side as it’s convenient, which is irritating as hell. And yes, this is a rare bit of “both sides” on my part. I see a whole lot of leftish folks, who are generally not big fans of corporate power, deploying the first position against right-wing types—while complaining about the arbitrary and often clearly biased way et al. censor left-wing statements.

The complaints are justified. Hypocrisy is not.

Just pick a position, be honest with yourself about what that position is, and stick to it. No matter where you fall on this spectrum, you have to be aware that the mechanisms of speech, and by extension the press, have changed dramatically over the last thirty years and will continue to do so. Knowing where you stand is important.

tcely, to random
@tcely@fosstodon.org avatar

> In their sentencing recommendation, prosecutors described Tarrio as a "naturally charismatic leader" and "a savvy propagandist" who used his influence over hundreds of followers to orchestrate an assault on democracy -- for which he was convicted of seditious conspiracy and several other felonies.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/former-proud-boys-chairman-enrique-tarrio-convicted-seditious/story?id=102929276

tcely,
@tcely@fosstodon.org avatar

> shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/#amendment-14-section-3

fulelo, to random
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davidaugust, to Colorado
@davidaugust@mastodon.online avatar

It seems the American people, in one voice stood up and said, “wait, the 14th amendment does what now?”

Unscheduled nationwide civics lesson brought down the US Congress’ page on the 14th Amendment 😲😝

curlygrey, to random

Chime in here folks….if Moe is willing to use the Notwithstanding Clause to strip away children’s rights for ideological reasons and to throw red meat to the base….should we expect Pierre and the CPC to do the same with the rights of women?

cazabon,

@rdmc @curlygrey

legitimacy: it sounded like you thought the winning an would not be valid, or would be some kind of existential threat that justified some sort of severe action to prevent it from happening. If that's not the case, then I misread your comments.

Anyway, our system isn't changing this decade, or probably next. It would require a , and those are politically in , and likely to stay that way.

2/2

petersuber, to random
@petersuber@fediscience.org avatar

New study: "Majority of Americans…favor moving away from Electoral College"
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/25/majority-of-americans-continue-to-favor-moving-away-from-electoral-college/

I'm one. The problem is that we'd need a constitutional to abolish the . The minority of the national population spread among the small, thinly-populated states, holding majority power in the electoral college, also holds majority power in the constitutional amending process. Details in my 1987 article.
https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1868&context=mjlr

PatrickoftheG, to Canada
@PatrickoftheG@mastodon.social avatar

It's really unfortunate timing here in that fatigue is crossing over with the rise of religious barbarism in America, aka the blueprint for how our Cons will push it on in on us from the prairies.

I am sorry to you my LGBTQ friends.

Doubly unfortunate that if Trudeau had kept his promises about first past the post this wouldn't be an issue, the shit piece.

cazabon,

@PatrickoftheG

Changing our system would have required a .

And that is fundamentally impossible today; it has been for at least 20 years, and is likely to remain impossible indefinitely.

So while you can - and I do - for many, many things, this one isn't on him.

Promising to do it in the first place, it was , however, was pretty damned of him.

skykiss, (edited ) to instagramreality
@skykiss@sfba.social avatar

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones marched his way to the #US #Capitol on #January6 2021, with maga #domestic #terrorists, an unassuming middle-aged man in a red “Trump 2020” hat conspicuously tagged along.

Videos & photographs reviewed by CNN show the man dutifully recording Jones with his phone as the bombastic media personality ascended to the restricted area of the Capitol grounds where mobs of Donald's supporters eventually broke in.

While the man’s actions outside the Capitol that day have drawn little scrutiny, his alleged connections to a plot to overthrow the 2020 election have come into sharp focus: He is attorney Kenneth Chesebro, the architect of the scheme to overthorow 2020 election by using #fake #electors in multiple states.

When asked by the House select committee where he was the first week of Jan 2021 & on January 6, #Chesebro invoked his Fifth #Amendment rights. investigation has placed him outside of the Capitol at the same time as his alleged #coup plot unraveled.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/18/politics/kfile-kenneth-chesebro-followed-alex-jones-capitol-riot-jan-6/index.html

petersuber, (edited ) to Ohio
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The constitution allows voters to amend the state by . Today Ohio votes on a referendum to amend that provision of the constitution.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/08/ohio-election-issue-1-abortion/

The big issue is that want to make more difficult before a referendum hits the ballot next fall.

But in case you're fascinated by the legal/logical puzzle of using the amending clause of a constitution to amend the amending clause, I wrote a book about it in 1990.

🧵

Susan_Larson_TN, to Marriage
@Susan_Larson_TN@mastodon.online avatar
Susan_Larson_TN, to Women
@Susan_Larson_TN@mastodon.online avatar
Susan_Larson_TN,
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fonecokid, to Canada
@fonecokid@c.im avatar

#Canada do you really have any positive, besides Toronto to celebrate today?

cazabon,

@fonecokid

True. But most sub-#septuagenarian #Canadians I know think of the (British) #royal family as "those weird-looking people on the #coins and #bills and nothing more.

If we somehow managed to get a #constitutional #amendment through [1] that removed them as head-of-state, there would be many a dry eye here north of the #border.

[1] Not gonna happen in my lifetime

#HeadOfState

DeeGLloyd, to Ukraine
@DeeGLloyd@mastodon.world avatar

🧵I know I mostly toot about here, but the has got me annoyed. More than they usually irritate me. People in my generation (elder ), 'ers, and , mostly grew up with a court that's legacy was in many ways progressive. As a result, most folks respected & trusted the SCOTUS as an institution, especially when compared to the other branches of . , 's , & various & scandals in 1/n

DeeGLloyd,
@DeeGLloyd@mastodon.world avatar

It's not an accident that forces in have spent decades and literally billions of dollars for the infrastructure to "recapture" the , especially . 's, 's & esp may be spooked by talk of major or 's to the because they seem , or somehow undermining the as an institution. Well the court is doing a fine job undermining the institution all by itself. 6/n

Satori, to random
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Enjoying some bedtime hay after a busy day snoopervising BunMum’s annual report work. We can hardly wait until the weekend when we can catch up on Mastodon! 😊❤️ -Skye

Bunny contentedly munches on hay, slight smile on face. Camera is shot below so munching bunny mowf can be seen.

cazabon,

@Byronrabbit @RainCityBunnies @Satori @thegreatrabbit

Both would require a constitutional amendment. That's simply impossible in Canada right now, and seems unlikely to change for many years.

The USA has a clearly defined way to amend their constitution, and has done it a number of times (but not recently).

If I had to put money on which of those comes first, it would be the electoral college in the USA, though it exists for a reason...

stevesplace, to random
@stevesplace@mastodon.social avatar

The video of folks in getting on their knees as troops pass reminds me that want these people dead and gone to please paymaster , and are holding our hostage in violation of the 14th because what the wants is more important than what you or I or anyone else wants to these flat-out traitors to our country and humanity itself. Fake patriots. The enemy within.

Prove. Me. Wrong.

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