I'm pretty sure that the #Fediverse is one of the first social networks I've been on that didn't ever ask me to betray any of the people in my address book.
I just learned about Misskey, which is apparently ALSO a microblogging service that is part of the #Fediverse. Any tech-history-aware folks among my followers feel like taking a stab at explaining how the Fediverse came to be home to TWO microblogging services? Do they tend to be distributed across different parts of the world? Or get used to talk about different kinds of things? Are there people with both Mastodon and Misskey accounts?
@IPEdmonton there are more than two... #Akkoma and #GoToSocial are others, and there are mastodon "forks" like #Glitch and #Hometown that have different features too (my server is Hometown instead of plain Mastodon)
This came about because not everybody has the same tastes and needs such as:
Mastodon can be complicated to set up and consumes more resources. Some alternatives are easier to set up and cheaper to run
Sometimes there are geographic preferences due to origin of the software (#Misskey is from Japan, Mastodon is German)
Mastodon is written in Ruby and some people like to run servers in languages they are more familiar with (such as Elixir, Go, Python...)
Some people don't agree with Eugen's priorities or management style and want features or UI designs he doesn't want to implement like formatting posts or quote-toots so alternatives arise that do those things
Since they all interoperate not many people deliberately have multiple accounts just based on the platform...
Hier im Podcasts ab ca. Min. 15 werden auch noch mal von @Lioh einige Hintergründe zum Fediverse berichtet, an dem sie auch selbst aktiv mitentwickelt hat (auch sehr aufschlussreich in Bezug auf die aktuellen Zentralisierungs-Tendenzen im Fediverse)
Für alle Themen und Projekte gilt aber: gnulinux.ch ist ein Community-Projekt, an dem alle eingeladen und aufgerufen sind, mitzuwirken und selbst zu schreiben: gnulinux.ch/mitschreiben
Je mehr Perspektiven hier eingebracht werden, desto besser! @Kaiteki@caos
Jetzt, wo infolge abhanden gekommener Blauhaken (und #Reichweite) wahrscheinlich noch mal eine größere Welle von Usern samt Gefolge aus dem Vogelkäfig zu #Mastodon abwandert, ist für mich vielleicht ein guter Zeitpunkt, mal wieder mit Klarnamen aufzutreten und zugleich zu unterstreichen, dass das #Fediverse nicht nur aus Mastodon besteht, sondern noch andere schöne Töchter hat. A mi, me gusta #Misskey. Die #Instanz von https://misskey.de/ ist zudem in guten Händen (betrieben vom gleichen Admin, der auch die #Friendica-Instanz https://libranet.de/ betreibt, die schon seit Jahren existiert.
Meinen bisherigen Account bei Mastodon werde ich bis auf weiteres und vielleicht auch längerfristig noch weiter betreuen. Allerdings werde ich das meiste, was ich dort poste, zunächst von meinem neuen Misskey-Account aus posten und dann dort einfach boosten. Auf diese Weise bekommt ihr es, wenn ihr mir dort folgt, weiterhin mit. Trotzdem freue ich mich natürlich über alle, die mir (auch) oder alternativ unter diesem neuen Account folgen.
Im Laufe des Wochenendes werde ich wohl auch allen folgen, denen ich mit meinem Mastodon-Account folge. Das Prozedere ist leider etwas umständlich, weil man von Mastodon nicht einfach so zu Misskey umziehen kann wie innerhalb von Mastodon. Da gibt es noch Verbesserungsbedarf. Ansonsten aber gilt: #FediPower und #FediverseIsFuture!
If we want the network of apps to grow, developers needs to talk together and find consensus. This initiative looks like it's moving in the right direction!
Journalists should have their own Mastodon alternative to use on the #fediverse. Make sure it has all the stuff like QTs and better search they say they require to be here. It would only take one big media corporation to build it, and all these smaller outlets could run their own instances. Call it something like #Newswire.
Alright, the #pages functionality on #CalcKey... needs work. (And maybe #MissKey too - haven't seen their version yet.)
Really - it boils down to the Markdown subset. Pages uses regular post-level MFM - which means no headings, no lists, and no ![]() embedded images.
Images and headings have to be added as blocks - and they don't even work right. Narrow images scale up to the entire width of the page, and headings, or "sections" have only one block.
There is no bulleted list support either - you have to do that manually by using unicode characters.
Also - blocks can't be moved, only added or deleted. There is a move button but it doesn't seem to work - or maybe its a menu button that doesn't work. Either way - doesn't work.
Not only does this make the editing experience a bit painful - making it so that you have to leave the text and add blocks separately - it also means that you can't just write something in an external markdown editor and simply copy into a page - you have to manually split up the text into blocks so you can insert images or sections in-between.
Also - it's very undocumented. I don't know what the variables or the scripting do - you have to figure those out on your own.
That's not to say that pages suck entirely, the interactivity that you can add with forms, variables and scripting is frankly excellent. But if you can't add the content you want, the way you want it - that interactivity is just useless.
So, looking at three #Misskey clients on the Mac so far, those being #Kimis#missririca (also on Android) and #Misscat, all of them if running on a Mac using #Voiceover (where Kimis is a Mac exclusive), all three of them have some issue or another at the moment.
I've been seeing some speculation about Project #Barcelona. I think they real concern should be that it will be a play similar to the old Microsoft book: embrace, extend, extinguish. Why do I think this is what #Meta is planning?
First, if they were just building a straight #Fediverse applicaaion, it would have been a no brainer to grab #Mastodon, #Misskey or any of the other platforms, tear apart the code and write their own. If all they were looking to do was have feature parity, and maybe add a bit of their own spin on it this would have only taken a few weeks with the manpower they have.
Second, their business model is one that requires them to dominate a space to sell advertising. Currently the big social media sites (FB, Instagram, TikTok, etc.) dominate the attention of pepole. This means that they will extend the ActivityPub model by using an algorithm based model to keep people's attention.
Third, they will do what they can to build the largest market share - ie, they will try to dominate the Fediverse by doing what they can to drive users to their platofrm. This will be done through extending the functionality in ways currently supported (which will later go to the W3C to become part of he ActivityPub spec).
Now, as to the "cultural change" this will cause in the Fediverse... I don't think we'll start seeing a big impact. They do have moderation, and I think they will learn quickly that if they don't moderate things pretty tightly they won't be able to enact all of the parts of their plan. And I think those plans are going to be more important.
And yes, I do think data scraping from the messages and profiles, will be an issue. Something that the #Fediverse should take seriously.
Oh, also, I will speculate they won't support profile migration...at least not out from Barcelona, but probably in-bound.
After testing the fourth #Fediverse software I conclude that #Akkoma just isn't for me. It has some nice features, but the whole #Erlang / #Elixir setup is just, idk, weird. And inefficient, too. Contrary to popular belief, #Mastodon seems much more streamlined, and faster. I think I will shut my #Akkoma instance, and stay with #Mastodon alongside #GoToSocial. #GTS will be my ultimate destination once it has matured just a little bit more.
I haven't looked at #MissKey yet. I'm a bit afraid that the UI will be as overloaded as #Soapbox which is pretty, but I want something efficient. How "neat" is the back-end side of #MissKey?
CalcKey is awesome but currently almost no mobile apps support it. It runs fine in a mobile browser but sometimes you miss having a dedicated client for it.
Give https://kaiteki.app/ a try. It's still in Alpha but honestly day-to-day its stable and does the job with little fuss.
It's built for MissKey, CalcKey's poppa, but handles CalcKey very well too, as far as I can tell. It seems to be a simple web app, without...any...settings once you get logged in, but that invisibility just lets CalcKey do all the shining. ☺️
Oh, and Kaiteki means "comfortable/comfy" in Japanese and so far that seems very apt. (Apped, geddit?) #CalcKey#MissKey#Kaiteki