"Quote and reply controls appear to be bundled together in a single dropdown menu, where users can open the conversation to “Anyone,” or limit it to “Profiles you follow” or “Mentioned only.”"
I don't like this move by #Threads. Limiting who can do #quoteposts pretty much defeats the purpose of quote posts in the first place.
Oh well, I'm confident that #Misskey will not adopt this beyond not allowing blocked users to quote a post by the user blocking them (which I disagree with btw), so this will not affect me thankfully and I can still quote Threads users as long as they haven't blocked me. :seija_coffee:
If every article, podcast episode and video was natively an #ActivityPub post, we'd need quote posts but want them to operate differently. They should count as a boost but with a clear indication that the person you are following also wants you to see their comment. How should that look? Maybe they wouldn't themselves be boostable... #SocialWeb
@wjmaggos Interesting concept. Perhaps boosting should be off by default, but by accepting the author could make quote posts boostable again? 🤔 #fediverse#quoteposts
I have seen the downsides of the Quote Post feature on Threads lately. There it is in even wider, in constant use, because there is no shares shown on your profile.
Quoting a post often puts others in a spotlight and not always in very flattering way. I have made that mistake myself as well. It doesn’t feel good if you criticize someone this way and people start slandering and it’s out of your control. I sometimes feel like a bully using it.
So if/when we ever get a Quote Post functionality here on Mastodon, I hope it will be different. Perhaps in this case the problem is Threads and the algorithm and not the feature itself though.
#Bluesky supports #quoteposts, but not listing all known quotes of a post? And you're telling me this is supposed to be the most Twitter-like experience, when this feature has been a staple of #Twitter for many years?
This is worse than not having #hashtags. How tf am I supposed to know if a post got quoted? Even #Misskey supports listing all known quotes FFS! :parsee_angy:
short version: we have a small set of bugs to fix and chores to do before an App Store release, and quote post UI will come after that, in version 1.8.
As we know, #quoteposts aren’t really a thing in #mastodon (yet, hopefully) but in my phases of trying out different mastodon clients I have noticed that one of them actually gives you the option to ‘quote post’ something — but how is an iOS client able to have the feature when mastodon as a whole does not? If anybody knows/has knowledge about this and could shed some light on it, that’d be super cool. I’ve just always wondered.
So here I am ‘quote posting’ this Washington Post article just to go over to my other mastodon client, mammoth to see what it looks like. If anybody sees this and cares any amount at all, feel free to let me know what it looks like on your end! I just want to know if it actually works as a quote post on the other side of things. Because if so, well then Ice Cubes is awesome but again how does that work?
P.s. I’m so glad I moved back to the InfoSec instance. I never have to worry about running out of space when posting now. So, randomly, if you see this — thanks Jerry! 😂
Mastodon might introduce a "proprietary", home-brew "No quote-toots allowed" flag outside the ActivityPub standard that probably won't be documented anywhere. Just like their "sensitive image" flag, but even more critical.
And if that happens, all Fediverse projects that have a quote-post/quote-boost/quote-tweet/quote-toot/share feature will have to have that flag reverse-engineered from Mastodon's source code and implemented a functionality that greys out the corresponding button under "no quote-toot" posts. And all their instances will have to upgrade to a version that fully supports that flag before Mastodon rolls out that flag. Or else Mastodon will defederate all their instances for being non-compliant.
This will at least affect Friendica and everything that can be traced back to it, including Hubzilla and (streams), as well as Misskey and everything that can be traced back to it, including Firefish whose development is dead and dozens upon dozens of other Forkeys.
If this actually comes, and if it's enforced immediately after release with no grace period, Mastodon could just as well fully be defederated from the rest of the Fediverse due to being incompatible. It'd cause a rift between Mastodon and the non-Mastodon Fediverse anyway because the former would have a requirement for federation which the latter is incapable of fulfilling.
If this "privacy setting" for #quoteposts is implemented with it enabled by default, the result will be disastrous. :reisensweat: Since there is no other way to enforce this setting other than #defederation, we are going to see Mastodon servers strong-arming those software developers who are "non-compliant" by threatening a #fediblock. :reisensweat: Developers of the -key and -oma families will suddenly have to scramble to make their implementation of #quotetweets compatible with Mastodon's "privacy-friendly" implementation. :satsuki_sadge: This way of "extending" the fediverse is not acceptable, and everyone who has opposed #Facebook joining the fediverse due to #EmbraceExtendExtinguish should also oppose this issue which just eventually leads to the same result.
Quote posts—which have already been implemented in several other Fedi projects and even some Mastodon clients—are on the Mastodon roadmap for 2024.
I'm looking forward to using this feature, but even more than that I hope its arrival in mainline Mastodon will finally put paid to the obtuse and often bad-faith arguments against the feature that were rampant a year ago.
Looking at what direction Mastodon is going now I'm 9 months in & a believer in the #Fediverse and there are other options out there for me to #selfhost on.
A couple things caught my eye.
#Mastodon's roadmap includes users being notified when relationships are severed due to domain block and #QuotePosts.
@atomicpoet I think whatever we become we'll really only have 'succeeded' if #Calckey leads the way with #FediverseSafety ahead of features and scale.
The Calckey I see would
have a diverse team of folks that has the time to listen to the safety discourses, and the lived experience to know why safety matters, and informs their #development decisions.
make importing #blocklists or integrating third party #moderation tools easypeasy, so no user finds themselves on an new server that's open to dogpiled by the worst elements of the #Fediverse.
have granular user controls for #safety - opt-in & opt-out; and features - like turning down/off MFM when it's overwhelming without a user needing to resort to CSS scripts.
not really care to be a birdsite or #Mastodon alternative. Let's work to be a better secret third thing, or fourth, or fifth thing.
If we really have to duplicate the big influencer account thing, I'd like to see more non-White, autistic, disabled, queers, and women voices. They're here, but they're often forced to be critics of a newer hegemony. Let's be listening for how can Calckey become the main service of choice for Black, POC and Indigenous women to join, spin up servers, become developers, and have prominent voices on. The rest of the good stuff will follow that.
I think we can do that, but only if we prioritise, and promote minority voices, and do the structural work to support them coming to the service.
I like to boost the things I disagree with, but I'm kinda afraid some might think I agree with them that way. This is the only context where Quote Posts would be useful feature to have. Right now I leave many things unboosted because I don't want to label myself. #QuotePosts#QuotePost#Mastodon
Mi sa che lo scopriremo prima del previsto come reagiranno lə utenti di mastodon all'introduzione dei quote toots.
Scrive Eugenio oggi: «we’re excited to bring you some of the most requested features, such as quote posts, improved content and profile search, and groups [...] Keep a lookout for these updates soon».
is there a standard patch for quote posts that works on mainline Mastodon or Glitch? i remember hearing that maybe Hometown or Treehouse had something that interops properly with Misskey quote posts?
All these talk about #BlueSky and complaints about #Mastodon this, #ActivityPub that, #Fediverse this, and #Decentralisation that, are mostly questionable(?) since many haven't seriously looked around the fediverse. It's like saying burgers are bad because you've tasted McDonald's yet there are better burgers from #Jollibee.
The problem stems from the fediverse ending up unofficially represented by a very limited-feature software and most are not willing to do their due diligence (one would think they'll check out the forks at least). Before championing about the new kid on the block, before claiming that the fediverse is this and that, look around first.
What you've known as the fediverse, so far, is only based on what happens to be the software with the least feature set. Mainline Mastodon will get better, but it is what it is currently, as far as comparison with similar fediverse projects.
No one is saying you are not allowed to complain, just look around first before you make claims about the fediverse.
Also, no one is saying #ATP shouldn't exist. By all means develop it! Innovation and improvements come from seeing ideas come to fruition instead of staying as theories. Having different branches of development is better than getting stuck in one particular way of doing things, or line of thinking. It's all good and I think anyone will agree it is much welcomed.
Here's a #challenge: Since you have time to research a non-fediverse network, why don't you explore what the fediverse really has to offer, with the same effort and enthusiasm? Mastodon is not the fediverse, so you can not judge the fediverse based on it. That's like saying China is Asia, and you judge Asians because of mainland China.
Take the challenge, then publish the results of your journey. Good evening, and Shalom!