beefcat, (edited )
beefcat avatar

What is with the horrible headlines around this game lately?

First, the headlines all said PvE was cancelled when it wasn't. The scope and feature set was scaled back, but it was never cancelled.

Now that there's a trailer for the PvE, people can't pretend it was cancelled, so all the headlines have to act surprised that it wasn't. But they're still pushing a misleading narrative, saying that the PvE outright costs $15, which it does if you want to play it after season 6, but the PvE missions are still free at the time they are introduced.

I get it, Blizzard is a persistent PR shitstorm. People are angry at them, and often for good reason. But adding misinformation on top of their own shitty behavior does nothing to help anyone.

The way this is rolling out is certainly unusual, but I don't find the act of charging for story content inherently distasteful. The fact that you can play this content in its entirety, for free as much as you want when it first drops, seems uncharacteristically generous, but still weird. In it's original incarnation, this content was going to be a separate $60 boxed release.

I think the way Destiny 2 worked all this out was far worse. I bought the game for $60, and even paid for an expansion. This was all fine until they started straight up removing campaign content that I had paid for. So the fact that I can play OW2's campaign content for free on release, and have the option to buy it with the promise that it will be mine forever, seems better. Again, it's weird, but not fundamentally different than any other game selling story DLC for $15/pop.

And the really weird thing is, whenever I bring any of this up, nobody is able to argue against it. They just see that I'm not immediately shitting on Blizzard and downvote with their feels, rather than actually engaging with the argument. I'm glad to see kbin's community is apparently not much better in this regard.

emzzy,

Blizzard originally announced that they were releasing an entire PvE campaign that you would be able to play from start to finish upon release. That was the majority of the justification for a $60 price tag. Since then, it's been delayed, and now that's been dropped. Instead, this is essentially the Overwatch Archives missions that players were already able to access in OW1, but now you likely have to pay for each consecutive mission set. In the original announcement blog post, there's only one line that is seemingly intentionally vague about whether you can access the story missions for free when they're introduced or not:

You can get started on your mission to save the world with the Overwatch 2: Invasion Bundle for $15 USD. This bundle includes:

  • Access to the Overwatch 2: Invasion Story Missions, during the season and permanently after
  • 1,000 Overwatch Coins (equal to the Premium Battle Pass, $10 USD value)
  • A brand-new Sojourn Legendary skin ($19 USD value)
  • Permanent access to Sojourn as a playable hero for new players: unlocked upon completing Story Mission challenges.

While this could be read as being able to play the story missions for free during the season, it doesn't explicitly explain this, nor is it implied anywhere else within the announcement. What's also troubling is the attachment of "permanent access to Sojourn as a playable hero for new players", and later "you can also choose to unlock all the above, plus the six heroes new to Overwatch 2—Sojourn, Junkerqueen, Kiriko, Ramattra, Lifeweaver, and the new Support hero coming August 10—with the Overwatch 2: Complete Hero Collection for $20 USD." They're now locking 2 characters, alongside their respective abilities, that were previously attainable both by new and returning players for free behind a paywall, in a live service PvP game.

Combined with other changes like the transition from lootboxes to the seasonal battle pass model, it feels like Blizzard is taking a more predatory direction in monetizing Overwatch 2, and burning both new and veteran players alike with these changes.

Naatan,

I really wish there was a decent competitor to Overwatch as I love the game itself, I just hate every development that's happening around it.

Paladins often get offered as an alternative, but it really doesn't feel the same. The gunplay lacks any sense of impact, and as bad as Overwatch's matchmaking is Paladin's is absolutely atrocious.

PrinzKasper,
PrinzKasper avatar

Team Fortress 2 is still a fantastic and well populated game, even 16 years later

Nikelui,
Nikelui avatar

There's also Apex Legends and Valorant. Both different enough from OW that they don't feel like a bland clone.

CynAq,
CynAq avatar

Both different enough, that they are different genres, both from OW and from each other.

beefcat, (edited )
beefcat avatar

Neither of those are even in the same genre.

Paladins is really the closest equivalent, and it suffers from being not nearly as fun and having a greedier business model. In fact, all of these alternatives have pretty much the same business model that OW2 has, so I'm not sure how switching to them gets anyone away from the big OW2 change that pissed everyone off.

Nikelui,
Nikelui avatar

Is there even another equivalent that is not Paladins? I'll admit that Apex is more on the genre of Fortnite (minus the crafting), but Valorant looked "similar enough" to me. It must also be said that I haven't played Valorant that much, so I will trust you on this.

jake,

Wasn't the plan always to charge for the PvE content?

beefcat,
beefcat avatar

Yes, it was originally going to be a separate $60 release.

djidane535,
djidane535 avatar

It’s sad. I really enjoyed Overwatch 1, almost like a perfect fit to what I wanted from a multiplayer FPS. But now it just looks like a mobile F2P game (I admit it was slightly like that on the first one to some extent). I hoped releasing a second game was the occasion to bring an interesting solo mode. And now we get this, way after the « release » of Overwatch 2. I still play it occasionally, but it could have been much more.

stickmanmeyhem,

Another affirmation for my decision to delete my Blizzard account after the HK Protest fiasco.

BigVault,
BigVault avatar

WTF Actiblizzard.
First you take overwatch (that I paid for) away from me.
Then you foist Microtransaction laden Overwatch 2 on me, making the game worse in the process,
Now you pull this shit?

I'll happily never play the game again.

emzzy, (edited )

I mean let's be honest: it was clear from the very beginning that much of the intention of the Overwatch 2 and included PvE announcements was a PR move in response to the massive backlash Blizzard was getting from its numerous controversies. They only ever planned to release the PvE for profits.

AlteredStateBlob,
AlteredStateBlob avatar

Bobby playing Weekend at Bernies with Blizzard.

LennethAegis,
LennethAegis avatar

Just further confirmation that abandoning the game shortly after Overwatch 2 launched was the right call. They ruined it.

katalaree,

Wow I’m just gonna hold off on my D4 purchase a little while longer

yunggwailo,
yunggwailo avatar

Its not a very good game and blizzard is already hotfix nerfing the most fun aspects of the game

TooL,

Honestly, it's a pretty solid game right out of the gate. Not perfect, but solid. I've definitely enjoyed my time with it.

ElMedico,

Judging how bad gamers are with voting with their wallets this will probably sell like hot cakes putting more water on the wheels for publishers to go further with shit monetization like this.

phi1997,

Voting with your wallet doesn't work because negative "votes" aren't measurable.

Calcharger,
Calcharger avatar

I think the negative votes would only be visible if they didn't meet their projected sales revenue?

ElMedico,

It doesn't work because people only talk about it and then pay up anyway when they get the bad case of fomo. The shitty monetization scheme for Diablo 4 was all over the place but people opened up their wallets anyway and it sold like crazy. It will only get worse until they actually see dwindling sales. But at this point it feels like gamers would sell their first born to pay up for shitty season pases and cosmetics.

wahming,

Blizzard died a long time ago

SuiXi3D,
SuiXi3D avatar

And Activision is parading the corpse around like it's not rotting and falling apart.

ElMedico,

They might have died in the mind of the older generation of nostalgic gamer but their cashing in. So in that sense their blossoming.

wahming,

I wonder if I'm the first on kbin to say...
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