I think it's interesting in obvious ways and risky in some less obvious ones (that have less to do with "O NO BILLIONAIRES" or "O NO LIBERTARIANS" and more to do with placelessness), but we'll see.
I hope good things emerge from/grow on top of this framework.
[I recognize that mentioning this is widely considered to be an invitation to explain capital like I am a tiny baby. You could also not.]
@ggpsv I’m arguing that #threadiverse platforms like Lemmy, kbin et.al. is where we should go for place, which will include Mastodon once it implements Groups.
I don’t have any sense of place on Mastodon, as it is chiefly oriented around people. I can’t easily visit Erin’s mas.to or your social.coop.
But root identity provisioning needs to be extricated from all of the above, in favor of the #nomadicidentity which Bluesky has gotten 80% figured out already and working in practice.
In case you missed it, Mastodon and the Fediverse have groups, which are really useful for discovering conversations on specific topics. They work equally well on all servers.
Did Kbin and Lemmy took inspiration from each other in some way and end up implementing exactly the same behaviour? And from the Pleroma/Akkoma side I guess it's because one started as a fork of the other 🍴
"Meta's fediverses", federating with Meta to allow communications, potentially using services from Meta such as automated moderation or ad targeting, and potentially harvesting data on Meta's behalf.
"free fediverses" that reject Meta – and surveillance capitalism more generally
The free fediverses have a lot of advantages over Meta and Meta's fediverses, some of which will be very hard to counter, and clearly have enough critical mass that they'll be just fine.
Here's a set of strategies for the free fediverses to provide a viable alternative to surveillance capitalism. They build on the strengths of today's fediverse at its best – including natural advantages the free fediverses have that Threads and Meta's fediverses will having a very hard time countering – but also are hopefully candid about weaknesses that need to be addressed. It's a long list, so I'll be spreading out over multiple posts; this post currently goes into detail on the first two.
Opposition to Meta and surveillance capitalism is an appealing position. Highlight it!
Focus on consent (including consent-based federation), privacy, and safety
Emphasize "networked communities"
Support concentric federations of instances and communities
Consider "transitively defederating" Meta's fediverses (as well as defederating Threads)
Consider working with people and instances in Meta's fediverses (and Bluesky, Dreamwidth, and other social networks) whose goals and values align with the free fediverses'
Build a sustainable ecosystem
Prepare for Meta's (and their allies') attempts to paint the free fediverses in a bad light
Reduce the dependency on Mastodon
Prioritize accessibility, which is a huge opportunity
Commit to anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-colonial, and pro-LGBTQIA2S+ principles, policies, practices, and norms for the free fediverses
This is annecdata - not a serious academic study. Adjust your expectations accordingly. When I first got online, the World Wide Web was still in its infancy - so CompuServe was my gateway to the Internet. I loved their well organised chat room. A couple of clicks and I could be discussing Babylon 5 with […]
Copie Publique : Code Lutin investit 3333 € pour soutenir le développement du threadiverse
Tous les ans, avec @copiepublique, nous versons 1% de notre chiffre d'affaires pour soutenir le libre et les communs numériques. Parmi d'autres projets, nous allons verser 3000 € au projet Lemmy et 333 € pour /kbin afin de rendre le pouvoir aux internautes.
Nous cherchons des entreprises prêtes à rallier #CopiePublique, faites signe !
@ben@ben.werdmuller So it is a Threads setting now? Forgive my ignorance, but I’ve been health challenged for 2 months now, and not keeping up with the #threadiverse, or whatever we’re calling it now or soon.
I have threads silenced on Infosec.exchange, .town, and fedia.social. That means people here won’t see stuff from threads, but you have the option to follow and interact or outright block the threads instance.
There are some, though, that are hyper opposed and not finding that to be sufficient. Hypothetically speaking, if I were to create another instance that did hard block threads (activitypub, DNS, firewall, etc), would what would be the type of instance would you like to see?
differences between threadiverse folks and microbloggers on the fedi:
microbloggers boost a lot, but that's not big on the threadiverse
microbloggers tend not to like anything - neither the posts they keep boosting nor the replies to their own posts - whereas this is absolutely common on the threadiverse
microbloggers tend not to reply - whereas on the threadiverse, this keeps happening all the time
@Kierunkowy74
you are pointing to the blind spot: fedi microbloggers claim that they love to interact, whereas i see more interaction happening in the threadiverse #fediverse#threadiverse#microblogging
@Konghammer@heyfluxay I just want to say that there are a lot of good, well maintained #Lemmy clients (and that the content over on the #Threadiverse is more than decent). I love Eternity, but I think Sync gives the most comfortable experience.
To H&M, Bestseller, Next, Primark, C&A, Uniqlo, M&S, Puma, VF Corp., PVH, Walmart and Zara, and all international brands producing clothes in Bangladesh:
The #threadiverse refers to social link/news aggregation and forum implementations on ActivityPub like #lemmy and #kbin. The term has been used longer than Meta's #threads existence and Threads doesn't offer similar functionality and to my knowledge still isn't even talking AP yet. I'm cool with Meta joining the fediverse, but until they implement communities and voting dynamics, they need a different term than threadiverse. /rant
"Care has been taken to construct it in the simplest way possible, enabling contributions from programmers of all skill levels and keeping server costs down. This will greatly speed PieFed's development process and widen its adoption."
Clever move by @rimu Lemmy's development is struggling.
The most popular instance, lemmy.world (>25% monthly active users), is still on a previous release. The current release, 0.19.1, has broken federation for the past couple weeks. Up-to-date instances are hobbling along by being restarted every few hours.
Tried hacking on Lemmy myself... I've got many thoughts but not sure if/how to write them down.
@BeAware hey, I think #socialWeb seems to be more accessible than #fediverse. The latter is jargon, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but has no meaning to those outside of the in-group.
So, @eatyourglory and I were discussing Lemmy and he had a good question/idea. Could Lemmy communities technically be subdomains? Like instead of Lemmy.world/c/example, it could be example.lemmy.world?
Would this be something that could be theoretically built into Lemmy or is there some kinda technological limitation, making this not a thing..? I think it's a neat idea.🤷♂️🤔
I feel we need to tighten the #lemmy integration into microblogging services like #mastodon to have an advantage over #reddit. Microblogging has orders of magnitude more active users than lemmy, and a lot of the same discussions are happening in both places. If we could more seamlessly unify these discussions when wanted by the participants, it would help get over this "chicken and egg" problem that the #threadiverse is in.
Seems like an interesting effort. A developer is building an alternative Java-based backend to Lemmy’s Rust-based one, with the goal of building in a handful of different features. The dev is looking at using this compatibility to migrate their instance over to the new platform, while allowing the community to use their apps...
#wordpress integration with the #threadiverse is, imo, far more useful than masto. That's where structured discussions happen. It's unfortunate to see all the fediverse services always taking a mastodon first approach
Open letter to brands producing in Bangladesh (cleanclothes.org)
To H&M, Bestseller, Next, Primark, C&A, Uniqlo, M&S, Puma, VF Corp., PVH, Walmart and Zara, and all international brands producing clothes in Bangladesh:
Avec 2 millions d’utilisateurs, Bluesky n’est rien à côté de Threads et Twitter (www.numerama.com) French
OC Sublinks Aims to Be a Drop-In Replacement for Lemmy (wedistribute.org)
Seems like an interesting effort. A developer is building an alternative Java-based backend to Lemmy’s Rust-based one, with the goal of building in a handful of different features. The dev is looking at using this compatibility to migrate their instance over to the new platform, while allowing the community to use their apps...