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panos

@panos@catodon.social

They/them. #Catodon co-founder and ux designer/project manager.
Living in Greece. Anticapitalist/anarchist, #vegan for the animals, #polyamorous, #genderfluid.
@ panosd:matrix.org on matrix.

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sara, to random
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Ok I’m doin the thread I said I wanted to do last week. (feel free to mute unless you enjoy a little second-hand drama as a Monday morning treat)

Attn people! Are you job hunting? Does this pic of search results look familiar? Have you ever seen a bunch of job postings like this from Canonical and thought “gee I should apply to one of these”?

I’m here to tell you:

IT’S A TRAP! 🧵

panos,
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@sara Ubuntu (Zulu pronunciation: [ùɓúntʼù])[1] (meaning humanity in Bantu) describes a set of closely related African-origin value systems that emphasize the interconnectedness of individuals with their surrounding societal and physical worlds. "Ubuntu" is sometimes translated as "I am because we are" (also "I am because you are"), or "humanity towards others" (Zulu umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu). In Xhosa, the latter term is used, but is often meant in a more philosophical sense to mean "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity".

Canonical CEO: I only have a job for the top 5% of humans, not you pleb pos

panos,
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@me It was always a commercial project with employees, so I don't know if that ever was true. @sara

panos, to fediverse
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We know development hasn't been as fast as we'd hoped for due to lack of time, so we are looking for someone to work together on this! If you're a who's interested in the and would like to be part of an upcoming and creative project, send us a message!

RE: catodon.social/notes/9qqowcuygslkanui

panos, to bluesky
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OK this will probably be an unpopular opinion, but regarding the and whether it's ok to be opt-out... For me the discussion doesn't make much sense because this is how fedi works. When you enable federation, your posts are federated to any activitypub-supporting server, unless you opt-out by fediblocking. Do you approve all of these servers? Do you agree with their ToS? Have you read the ToS of all of them, or know where they belong to? No. I know this might make you insecure about your data, but it's better to be honest than create a false impression of control, which then feels attacked when Threads or Bluesky appear. I understand that somebody may not want their content appearing in Zuckerberg's or Dorsey's platform. But they could already be running an AP server that's federated to your server, and you will never know. This is what we signed up for, adopting an open protocol and using software that federates with everyone as the default. And tbh I like it this way - an opt-in federation would be a disaster for smaller servers, it would practically be impossible to federate. By using an AP-enabled server, I'm telling everyone that it's ok to interact with my content - unless I actively block them. It doesn't include an agreement for how or from whom this content will be used. The fact that both servers run AP-compatible software is only a technicality. So if Bluesky implemented AP support it would suddenly be ok that interacting with their users would be opt-out, like with every AP server?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that everyone wants to be in control of their social circle, and I support you if you want to block Threads or Bluesky bridges. But I don't really see how it's unethical to have a bridge that is opt-out, just like any other AP-server. Our only "agreement" is using an open protocol, not any common ToS. ActivityPub is not ethically superior by definition, anyone can adopt it, and we have the right to block them, and this is all by design, it's not a different corner of the internet, everyone in the internet can use the protocol and see/display your public content. The drama every time some server does basically what we allowed them to do and we don't like it, is getting really old quickly. It doesn't "protect" fedi, it only makes it hostile and boring. If you're concerned about who sees your content, please run a followers-only account and control your followers. Running a public account in an openly federated platform and then getting angry when you don't agree with every single server you're federating with is a recipe to make sure you'll be angry for years to come.

panos,
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@FinchHaven perhaps the solution would be for software supporting activitypub to also support atproto and vice versa, like friendica did, so that we don't need to go through one person's bridge. Nobody is obliged to do what friendica did, but if it's a valid concern, it's a possible solution.

panos, to random
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We've experimentally changed the default reaction on catodon.social to a heart (from a star). The star is familiar to fedi users because of Mastodon's "favorite" and is somewhat the current standard, but is not necessarily universally understood as a "like" button outside of the current userbase - I remember when I first came to fedi, I wasn't sure if it was more of a "like" or more of a bookmark (where you can later visit a page with your favorite posts). Facebook uses a thumbs up for the same function and Twitter, Instagram and Threads use a heart. So I think that a heart would be a more obvious and expected like button for new users. We'll leave it like this for a few days, to see how it feels in practice and see what feedback we get - although this isn't a change with the current fedi users (who are already familiar with the star and may not see an issue with it) in mind, but mostly considering future members of communities. And after all, we all could use a little more love in our day to day lives! ​:BlobCat_HeartHug:​

panos, to random
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I've started watching Google's UX Design course and, while it's well made and easy to understand, I hate how it's all about getting a job and creating more sales. For example, it talks about how accessibility helps websites be "consumed" more easily. I know it's made by a company, so I guess it was to be expected, it just has great reviews, and I guess courses from colleges will more or less have the same mindset, after all they're also businesses and need to ensure you'll get profit from your "investment". It's another example of how capitalism shits on everything we love. I'm trying to learn more about UX to help build a better experience for people, and I'm getting taught how to become profitable for a company. The education system is education on the system.

panos,
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@eyrea I think the full course has assignments, yes. To take the full course you get a free 7-day trial and then have to pay, so for the time being I'm only watching the videos, which are on youtube. If they have a certificate for the course, then they must have done assignments, it's supposedly a 6-month course.

panos, to random
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New release! And this is the new official account for the project, under naskya's leadership, give them a follow if you want to stay updated. Best of luck in the new beginning! 🚀

RE: info.firefish.dev/notes/9pdqi3rjl4lxirq3

panos,
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@db0 nope, catodon core team is namekuji and me, naskya is the new maintainer of firefish. But we're all friends and help each other =)

panos,
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@Deus You have every right to be angry or disappointed, indeed the situation was handled in a very bad way. I don't know what to tell you, it was out of our hands (except Kainoa).

To be clear, I used to be in the firefish core team, catodon is a new project (started as a firefish fork, now we've rebased to iceshrimp). Catodon.social is the official server for catodon, for firefish I'd suggest you ask the account I quoted in the first post, which is now handled by naskya (another firefish core team member, for several months now).

panos, to random
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Alright, I think we now have a better idea of what's happening with , so I might as well give a small update. Kainoa quit, and left the project to naskya, who is a person I appreciate very much, as they've always been kind and polite and willing to help. I also think they're very devoted to Firefish, and basically were the last person actively caring about the project. As far as I know, they intend to keep maintaining and developing Firefish, and a new stable version will finally soon be released. This is great news, as you don't need to worry that your server is running unmaintained and vulnerable software. So, alarm off everybody, no need to abandon ship.

As for us, we're standing by our decision to rebase to . The changes we want to do are long term plans, but we've started redesigning some things and, whenever we are ready, I hope we'll show you something worth your attention. So yeah, firefish, iceshrimp and catodon are all alive and valid options (the first two to be precise, for the time being). All projects share code fixes and I think we're on very good terms, here in our corner of the fediverse. Enjoy the ride.

box464, to random
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The founding developer of Firefish has officially stepped down from the project. Keys are being transferred to one of the dev leads.

It appears Firefish IS still breathing, albeit flopping around at the edge of the pond right now.

Many instances migrated to other Forkeys - Sharkey or IceShrimp. A newcomer, Catodon, is also emerging.

Glad to see Firefish given a chance to survive, and wish them the best!

https://git.joinfirefish.org/firefish/firefish/-/issues/10847

panos,
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@blake @lewiscowles1986 @box464 Calckey started as a Misskey soft fork in 2022, around the start of 2023 it became a hard fork, mid-2023 was the rebranding to Firefish.

panos,
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@lewiscowles1986 only trying to give the facts =) Any popular open source project is rarely the result of the work of just its founder(s). It's fair to give credit to all the projects, forks and upstream, and to the wider community that helped in one way or another! @box464 @blake

panos, to random
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Just woke up and saw this. Finally, the right decision - I've been saying for a while that naskya had been very supportive to firefish and would have been the obvious choice since Kainoa couldn't or didn't want to keep doing this. All of the drama and uncertainty could have been avoided if this simple gesture was done a couple of months ago. I also hope that donations from the last few months will be returned or given to naskya - opencollective for firefish seems to have been up and running still. I wish naskya good luck, whatever they decide to do with the project!

RE: mstdn.social/users/noellemitchell/statuses/111865771249665331

raichoo, (edited ) to Metal
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Nice shot from my recent gig with Horseman.

Photo by: https://www.instagram.com/diesdasdesigns/

panos,
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@raichoo nice bass and photo! Fanned frets are the way to go, especially with a lower B.

Linux_Is_Best, to fediverse
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Att Fediverse

The flagship instance of Fire Fish is now OFFLINE.

The significance of this event is many of the Fire Fish Developers have previously come forward claiming the lead developer vanished. Unfortunately, the lead developer treated their project as a centralized project, meaning that they were the sole person making decisions, giving no access to accounts or code changes or even donations, despite having a team behind them.

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panos,
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@NumbersCanBeFun partially. Kainoa hasn't "disappeared" for more than half a year, they have been gradually more absent but they last merged a PR 2 or 3 weeks ago. I can't say for sure if Firefish is dead, but I have written about this since December. With firefish.social going offline, it does seem like Kainoa is pulling the plug, but idk.

What surprised me in @Linux_Is_Best 's post is that the remaining developers are disbanding, and that they suggest Mastodon as an option after Firefish, whereas there are at least two Firefish forks by former firefish developers (Iceshrimp and Catodon) and other Firefish forks like Goblin (for which I don't know much about tbh, I think they want to do something closer to Tumblr). Sharkey is a good option if you want to go back to current Misskey (Firefish was a hard fork of Misskey v12), but isn't the obvious choice to suggest firefish forks that are active? Catodon is still in development and not released, but we have rebased to Iceshrimp which is also actively maintained, and very close to Firefish UX (but with better mastodon api support). For me the obvious choice, if you want something close to Firefish, is Iceshrimp. I am trying to keep the firefish community together as much as possible, after what is obviously a very frustrating development, and giving the impression that the firefish ecosystem is just falling apart doesn't help. Of course you always have options like Mastodon and Misskey, but there are also firefish forks which are very much alive, so no need to give a false report of the actual situation.

panos, to random
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Alright, we wanna be as transparent as possible, so here's a small update on 's development: The idea so far was to have our first release more as a debloated, to some extent, version of firefish, which would be more like the foundation to build our next releases on, rather than something representative of what we want Catodon to be. But it turns out that, in order for things to be smooth in the first release, we'd have to fix some stuff that would need to be refactored anyway for the second release. So we realized it's better to just get directly to it.

So, what does this mean? We'll be sort of merging our first and second planned releases. This unfortunately means that we'll need more time to get where we want to. My advice to you, if you are running a server and thinking of migrating, is to either stay on Firefish for the time being, or migrate to Iceshrimp - it will be easy to migrate to Catodon later if you want. The good news is that, when Catodon is finally released, I think it will be worth the wait, it won't be just a transitional version, and I'm much more excited now for the upcoming release. And yes, you can go back to Misskey and forget about firefish forks but... I wouldn't do that if I were you =)

ArtBear, to random
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Which of the Mastodon' front ends add extra functionality you really appreciate?

For example sengi would split long posts up so they ran over several threaded posts. I thought that was pretty cool!

Didn't one of the Masto front ends do quote posts?

panos,
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@SparkIT @mimo @ArtBear hmm, yes, noticed that change, not sure I like it. We will probably refactor lists at some point so I'll keep that one in mind, thanks.

panos, to fediverse
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I really believe that projects should try to work together whenever possible, and add support for each others' features to improve the fedi experience overall. So I just had an idea for something that's been bugging me for over a year -how to add GIF support in fedi, without depending on surveillance capitalists- and I think that could play a huge role in this if they wanted to! So I went to their repo and described my suggestion. Hope they like the idea (and that there aren't any inherent flaws I might have not thought about - always a possibility with new ideas)! github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/6198

panos, to fediverse
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I'm looking into platforms to share music on, and it seems like only does that. But to be honest it does seem a little confusing to new users for me. I wonder if anyone's using for audio files/music and what's their experience. Its youtube-like interface seems far more familiar to me, and I still mostly listen to music on youtube tbh (never made a spotify account). Any thoughts/suggestions welcome, thanks.

panos,
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@wjmaggos I'd also add the ability to broadcast radio, fw has a feature called radio but it's not live, like a radio broadcast, it's just playing uploaded tracks. This would have been one of the first things I'd want in a music-related server. Peertube otoh has live broadcast, I haven't tested it but if you can only broadcast audio, then that's basically like an online radio function right there.

panos, to mastodon
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With so many people writing instead of , I wonder why nobody has started a Mastodon fork called Mastadon yet. On the first day you announce it, your hashtag will be already trending. Give it a couple of years and people will forget about Mastodon and will think it was Mastadon all along

panos, to random
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Kinda big day tomorrow as catodon.social's getting updated to our latest dev version, since our announced rebase to is finished, which means that, if everything goes well, after tomorrow catodon.social will have all of the performance improvements of Iceshrimp, including full Mastodon API support. It took us back a few weeks but we think it was worth it, and now we can resume development towards our first release.

dj_cyberspace, to random

Fediverseのマイクロブログ系ソフトウェアは、「お前本当に「マイクロ」ブログか…?」と言いたくなるくらい、文字数制限の緩いものが多いから、一度「文字数制限いっぱいまで意味のある文章を書いて投稿出来るかチャレンジ」とかやってみたら面白い気がするけど、まぁ地獄だろうな。

500文字制限のバニラのマストドンならまだ簡単だろうけど、Misskeyとかその派生だと3000文字は書かないといけないし、Akkomaの5000文字やCatodonの8000文字とかになると、それこそ短編小説ブチ込むくらいじゃないと絶対埋まらんと思う。投稿の内容考えるだけで一苦労だろうなぁ…。

panos,
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@dj_cyberspace Hello there! Well, let me explain our choice of 8k character limit. To answer your question, no, we don't intend to be only microblogging. It's just a limit, not a target you are expected to fill. Microblogging use is perfectly fine in Catodon - you can post 200 character posts only and nobody will bat an eye. For me otoh it's somewhat silly that people choose to be on "microblogging" platforms and then go on and make 10 posts in a row in a "thread" just because their microblogging limit forces them to split their posts. Facebook has over 50K limit but nobody feels they need to fill it. It's like, you could go out of your house and start walking for 20 hours straight until you drop down from exhaustion - this doesn't mean that you should or are expected to. It's just about choice and freedom and not being restricted if you need to write something longer. Hope this explains it a little =)

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