CivilityFan

CivilityFan, 1 day ago

@StillIRise1963
That’s wonderful. Congratulations

CivilityFan, 1 day ago

@StillIRise1963
My 55th is this August.

CivilityFan, 3 days ago

@ienvision @GottaLaff
Was unable to access the news until this afternoon, so that’s when I started reading the thread. Finally caught up, and see that I’m 2500 new toots to read. This was a wonderful thread - tyvm

CivilityFan, 7 days ago

@LLS
The response to the demonstrations was what lost Humphrey the election. Remember, too, that RFK won Californias delegates, (with the other peace candidate McCarthy second), the night he was assassinated. Nixon rode into the WH on a law and order platform enabled by live TV of police clashing with thousands of young people portrayed as violent protestors. The majority of Dems wanted to end that damn war, instead, we got the man who made it bigger.

@lauren

CivilityFan, 7 days ago

@SallyStrange Not just officials, also the protestors. If Biden can maneuver Netanyahu into accepting a three way with the Saudis and get a Palestinian State agreement by the convention, he can pull this out. If not, I fear that Gaza will end up the largest cemetery on Earth

https://apple.news/AqHIV94lSQBWrZ_AykrQpYw

@lauren @LLS

CivilityFan, 7 days ago

@SallyStrange
Really don’t understand this comment, sorry. I took part in those demonstrations in the late ‘60’s & early 70’s until I was drafted away from the Bay Area. The big one with 50,000 of us on Easter Sunday, iirc, was the most successful, it couldn’t be denied. The ones on campus where the police could circle us and beat heads in were more of a gift to Reagan, who railed against the lack of law and order while we were being brutalized by the police. It’s not both-siderism to want progressive values to succeed and prevent us from repeating mistakes.
@LLS

CivilityFan, 7 days ago

@SallyStrange
The lesson is that protestors need to avoid playing into the hands of a press that wants to demonize them. Protest is necessary but violence will be played on media as coming from the students. Mahatma Gandhi and MLK jr knew how to take the violence without responding in kind, and they made progress. We in the anti-Viet Nam war didn’t and it backfired on us. I think it will take sacrifice and bloodshed to win, but violence even if it’s in self defense will lose. With distrust in msm and social media, I think this movement has a real chance, my generation blew it and over 58,000 of us died.

CivilityFan, 6 days ago

@SallyStrange
You really wanted to be wrong?
Don’t worry, you are.
I will reiterate one time my premise in hopes you can understand it and then leave this thread.
Returning violence for violence is the surest path to defeat for our progressive cause.
As for leaving this thread, I have learned an adage here on Mastodon recently, it goes like this
“The bees don’t waste their time explaining to the flys why honey is better than shit”

CivilityFan, 10 days ago

@MJ
Civil disobedience can result in jail time and fines, but non violent protesting should never be punished by police brutality. It is frequently, though. Be prepared for physical injuries. It’s not right, it’s not fair, but it is inevitable.
@TonyStark

CivilityFan, 10 days ago

@MJ
It’s happened to me, I was standing along side a Black student in ‘69 at an anti war protest at SF State when the tac squad charged us on horseback. We both ran across 19th Ave and he went left and I went right. The cop chased after him and I’m still alive today. I knew I was no different than him except I’m white.
@TonyStark

CivilityFan, 10 days ago

@trainman
How do we get 2 evils here? Biden has changed the course of US history for the good, establishing initiatives fighting climate change (my #1 issue), rebooting manufacturing in America that support organized labor, and standing up for our allies abroad, including his pressure on Netanyahu to prevent a genocide in Gaza which is unappreciated by most of the fools who think he is in charge there. If tfg was POTUS, there would be ten times as many dead Palestinians
Lessor of 2 evils is a false premise
@GottaLaff

CivilityFan, 11 days ago

@qurlyjoe
Thanks for that, haven’t thought about Tom Swift for ages, I loved reading those adventures as a child

CivilityFan, 11 days ago

@dougiec3
This is about doctors working for insurance companies. It may well be an indictment of that working relationship, but there are a lot of moving parts to the U.S. health care system and I believe your blanket statement gives short shrift to a lot of deeply committed persons who work their asses off every day to provide medical care to individuals and communities.
Let’s agree to demonize the real enemy here, those whose work removes money from providing care to others.

CivilityFan, 11 days ago

@dougiec3
These doctors are not practicing medicine, they are getting paid to review claims. What a waste of an education. Take the profit out of delivering healthcare and these positions evaporate, the money insurance companies siphon away from delivering medical care can be used for preventative strategies and societal costs go down, health outcomes improve and everyone wins except Wall Street

CivilityFan, 15 days ago

@lin11c
The reference to “paper of record” is out of date. The NYT hasn’t managed to offer its readers an unbiased read of the news in years. Their “Biden is old” story is lazy, the malice shown towards trans folk in publishing opinion as fact is reminiscent of Nazi propaganda and it has caused me to cease giving a sh*t about their reporting because news doesn’t need to be tampered with by editorial opinion. We already have Murdoch and Fox for that.

CivilityFan, 16 days ago

@StillIRise1963
Ecosia. They contribute to climate action by planting trees from monies received through searches

CivilityFan, 18 days ago

@QueerInTheCountry
You would then be sanctioning both sides in this war. Hamas, and the Palestinians in Gaza, criminalize LGBTQ+ folks. In the present conflict, it’s only okay to hate Jews for the action of their government, despite the fact that most Israelis are also demonstrating against Netanyahu’s fascist regime.

I’m sure calling this out as antisemitism will fill my timeline with negative responses, but it’s the answer to the question you propose. On the left and on the right, it seems hating Jews is okay

CivilityFan, 19 days ago

@TonyStark
Had the SC stayed out of that election, I feel confident Gore would have done the job of listening to the presidential briefings and stopped the attack on 9/11 instead of being on vacation all the time in the lead up to that awful day. How much would have changed? Trillions in military spending, countless deaths and empowered extremists in the Middle East all due to Bush/Cheney attempt to get Iraq’s oil.
Yeah, not much difference. What an ass

CivilityFan, 19 days ago

@darnell
Had to laugh at that line about “Women in leadership create chaos”

Just the recent history of the House, where Nancy Pelosi ran a tight ship that secured Biden’s agenda passed through the previous Congress, and this Congress whose Speaker couldn’t get our bills paid or budget passed without help from the opposition, then got fired and a new guy who is unable to support our allies without being threatened by his own rw extremists.

How much chaos when led by a women versus two men? Lmfao.

They live in an alternate reality devoid of facts

CivilityFan, 20 days ago

@objectinspace
My sentiments exactly, I’m for non violence and finding a peaceful solution to problems, but unchecked aggression cannot be resolved by compromise. Chamberlain wanted to promise the British “peace in our time” by giving in to Hitler. It didn’t turn out well for him, and if Ukraine falls, it will end up being US troops on the ground in Europe again.
@JoshuaHolland

CivilityFan, 27 days ago

@randahl
It’s not like we Americans get much say in the use of weapons we are providing either. Just look at Netanyahu thumbing his nose at us.

@anderspuck

CivilityFan, 1 month ago

@qurlyjoe
Until last year, I didn’t know teeth that had been replaced with crowns could end up needing new ones. Once all the teeth were replaced, I figured I could drop the dental insurance. Boy was I wrong
@dabertime