jdp23

@jdp23@indieweb.social

strategist, software engineer, entrepreneur, activist ... also at @nexusofprivacy and a bunch of other places

#strategy #equity #justice #technology #policy #disinfo #privacy #algorithmicJustice, #intersectionality #activism #organizing #software #startups ...

And #nobot without permission. Opt-out isn't consent, but it's the only real option we have here.

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J12t, to Futurology
@J12t@social.coop avatar

Who needs embrace and extend if:

users will be able " ... to import existing account info and posts from other servers, meaning someone could, say, move all their content from into Meta's app."

https://mastodon.social/@alexeheath/110596226686316769

jdp23,

@J12t you kind of did see it coming -- it's an example of the asymmetry you talked about.

@tchambers this highlights the challenge with your "we'll just build a better product" approach. They'll have a bunch of proprietary functionality they won't allow third-party apps to use -- including directly communicating with IG users not on P92, and I'm sure a lot more. Also a lot more resources. And they can change the rules whenever they want. It's not a level playing field.

jdp23,

@J12t 💯. A Meta-free fediverse has a natural sustainable advantage that can never copy no matter how many resources they throw at it, valuable for a lot of people and communities. OK, that's not the only possible sustainable advantage. But I haven't heard other compelling answers yet.

@tchambers or, "build better than" assumes you can work around the proprietary tricks and that you'll find things they can't or won't do (that aren't illegal). Maybe so but at this point it's an assumption.

mastodonmigration, to Futurology
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

June 23, 2023

Pretty disappointing if true...

The Verge (paywall) Command Line: Musk versus Zuckerberg >>> https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/23/23771599/command-line-musk-versus-zuckerberg

"Employees from Meta have been meeting with leaders from large ActivityPub servers recently, including Mastodon CEO Eugen Rochko, to discuss the plan under NDA ahead of the app’s release. Meta knows it’s treading on thin ice with the power users of ActivityPub who are already incredibly wary of its motives."

https://mastodon.social/@alexeheath/110596207691212890

jdp23,

@mastodonmigration 💯. But in the original post ... "power users of ActivityPub"????? 🤣🤣🤣😱 @stuart

jdp23,

@mastodonmigration If they had said "Meta knows it's treading on thin ice with people like Jon", that'd be a different story!

jdp23,

@mastodonmigration There are two things going on here. For one, I really object to the protocol-centricity. I'm sure that's how Meta's thinking of it and I'm sure that most of the folks they're meeting with are thinking of it that way but fuck the protocol, it's the people and communities that matter.

But also ... power users of the protocol????? That's just silly!

hannu_ikonen, to random
@hannu_ikonen@med-mastodon.com avatar

Interesting coincidence that white tech bros slogan of "move fast and break things" is basically the raison d'ětre for fascists.

jdp23,

@hannu_ikonen yep. quite the coincidence!

dangillmor, to random
@dangillmor@mastodon.social avatar

What kind of Russian regime would be worse than Putin's? How about one run by the vicious mercenaries of the "Wagner Group"?

jdp23,

@rysiek one of core competences! @fifilamoura

alexeheath, to random
@alexeheath@mastodon.social avatar

Meta is planning to release its Twitter competitor in mid July, I’m told. It will eventually hook into Mastodon/ActivityPub but not at first. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/23/23771599/command-line-musk-versus-zuckerberg

jdp23, (edited )

@Shachihoko You're far from the only one! That's one of the reasons hundreds of instances have already signed up for the .

@alexeheath at most it means that 's racist anti-LGBTQIAS+ content moderatrion policies will be standard for instances that work with them. Many won't. I agree it'll be interesting but don't oversimplfy the dynamics. "Should the fediverse welcome surveillance capitalism? Opinions differ!" has more

https://privacy.thenexus.today/should-the-fediverse-welcome-surveillance-capitalism/

@fediversenews

tchambers, to kbin

Web visits to top 5 and servers over last 30 days...

jdp23,

@tchambers very interesting! Does it correct for bots? I'd love to see the last few days.

@liaizon

jdp23,

@tchambers Makse sense. With the rate of bot accounts (2M in the last few days), it wouldnt surprise me if it's visible in in the charts

@liaizon

irenes, to random
@irenes@mastodon.social avatar

we've been saying that it's really important for those of us who've lived through previous megacorp attacks on free software ecosystems to TEACH that history

we're pleased to report that there's an article now which rehashes a lot of relevant stuff in some detail. regardless of what you feel about the proximate decisions around the fediverse and Facebook, knowing the history can only help

when we DO learn from history, we are NOT NECESSARILY condemned to repeat it <3

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

jdp23,

@irenes Agreed, this was a really great article!

I thought you had a great point that this isn't the best language -- for a lot of reasons. As the article points out, XMPP's still around (even though it never really has recovered). Embrace, Extend, and Dominate is more accurate.

@RakowskiBartosz

jdp23,

Actually thinking about it more, it's really Embrace, Extend, and Exploit. Meta would be very happy with an outcome where friendly Mastodon instances with volunteer moderators harvest data and monetize users on their behalf.

@irenes @RakowskiBartosz

BlackAzizAnansi, to random
@BlackAzizAnansi@mas.to avatar

How does the fediverse plan on becoming more diverse?

jdp23,

@CatHat As would I. On Facebook I helped support a POC-led group of admins who decided to transform a "white liberal" group to an actively anti-racist group, starting with more active moderation and threads focusing on racial justice education. At least 10% of the people in the group left. And you know what? That was a good thing!

@christineluc @BlackAzizAnansi

jdp23,

Very sorry to hear that, @inaya. As @erincandescent says, "There's a distinction between safety and comfort; and I feel like some of the moderation here conflates them." -- her post is about defederation but it applies to moderation in generall.
https://queer.af/@erincandescent/110327062141439400

And here's a great thread with POC views of CWs that @creatrixtiara kicked off last year. https://vulpine.club/@creatrixtiara/109310828652037900

@CatHat
@christineluc @BlackAzizAnansi

jdp23,

@jens Yes that policing is common on many instances -- @mekkaokereke calls it "Homeowner's association racisim" (aka HOA racism), I've also heard the term "hall monitors".

Margaret KIBI's "Fringe Masstodev: the Beginnings" talks about how just a couple of weeks after CWs were introduced in January 2017. white users "started taking it to the mentions of people of colour whenever the subject of race came up."

https://www.u2764.com/NFIC/2018-09-09/fringe-beginnings/

@inaya @CatHat @christineluc @BlackAzizAnansi
@creatrixtiara

jdp23,

Selfies with eye contact are a good example of why this is all so tricky: they're triggering for many people, who (not unreasonably) want a way to view their timelines by not being triggered. But demands to CW selfies can easily wind up having racialized aspects -- or be used to shut down trans people, for whom posting a selfie can be very important self-affirmation. It really is tricky!

@CatHat @jens @mekkaokereke @inaya @christineluc @BlackAzizAnansi @creatrixtiara

jdp23,

A complicating factor here is that there haven't been any real improvements to CW functionality since they were first introduced. Thinking more about the social aspects of how CWs get used in practice could lead to a better solution. So this goes back to @BlackAzizAnansi's original question: what's the plan to make progress here?

Right now, there isn't one.

Hopefully, the reaction to Meta will highlight the need to change that

@CatHat @jens @mekkaokereke @inaya @christineluc @creatrixtiara

jdp23,

@inaya Agreed. Flowers' title "The Whiteness of Mastodon" is very well-chosen! https://techpolicy.press/the-whiteness-of-mastodon/

@creatrixtiara @christineluc @BlackAzizAnansi @CatHat

jdp23,

@CatHat It says a lot more about the fediverse. As @damon and others have pointed out, Mastodon has a toxic reputation in many Black communities. I'm sure the same is true in many Muslim communities -- there's plenty of anti-Muslim content floating around. Of course it's not always the case, I've heard good things about absolutelyhar.am, but it's normalized ... and that's bad.

@inaya @BlackAzizAnansi @jens @christineluc @creatrixtiara @erincandescent

jdp23,

@mekkaokereke For the record, I also think this makes sense! I'm not particularly convinced by the way Bluesky's approaching it but at least they're thinking about it. And it's a great point that the perjorative overtones of "content warning" shapes how we think about it.

@BlackAzizAnansi @CatHat @jens @inaya @christineluc @creatrixtiara

loshmi, to Futurology
@loshmi@social.coop avatar

All this conversation about on feels like the worst parts of geek culture. So technical, without understanding context or what strikes can actually do. My thoughts:

Meta will make a great app for Fedi because it has more money to throw at the task. People will start using that because it's better. It will have QTs and an algorithm. People they want to follow will be there.

🧵1/6

jdp23,

@mastodonmigration 💯. Can I add your quote on how "We are not powerless" to https://privacy.thenexus.today/should-the-fediverse-welcome-surveillance-capitalism/ ?

osma, to fediverse
@osma@mas.to avatar

A few days ago I suggested that once Meta's Threads launches, its focus probably will be in groups - either public or semi-private. The details of what that could mean are in this thread.
https://social.fishpool.org/@osma@fishpool.org/posts/193897234189601792/

Earlier, I asked why Strava hasn't integrated with .
https://mas.to/@osma/110371213306088525

Now, consider these two items in combination. A lot of athletes are sharing their training and competition diaries with fans in apps like Strava as well as Instagram. AP could link them together.

jdp23,

@osma very good thread on Groups! The link is to post 8/13, and I couldn't find the earlier posts on your profile ... are they around somewhere or did they get lost due to the database problems?

jdp23,

@osma Indeed it does, thanks much! Great analysis -- I haven't seen anybody else make the point about groups, and I completely agree. Is it okay if I include a quote and link to the thread from https://privacy.thenexus.today/should-the-fediverse-welcome-surveillance-capitalism/ ?

jdp23,

@osma cool, thanks -- I'm planning on doing an update over the weekend and will add it and let you know.

seanbala, (edited ) to mastodon
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Question: If or the wider decided tomorrow that all instances had to be only one of these three choices, which kind would you choose to join? Feel free to comment why you made your choice.

And feel free to boost widely - quite curious about everyone's view!

jdp23,

@seanbala I'd continue to have accounts on multiple instances -- as I currently do!

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