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Buffalox, (edited ) in The inside story of Elon Musk’s mass firings of Tesla Supercharger staff

the company has been the biggest winner so far of $5 billion in federal funding for new chargers.

Another billionaire capitalist on social welfare sucking the federal tit.

cooljacob204,

This money really needs to come with more strings attached. Like promises not to do mass layoffs.

seaQueue,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

The money needs to come with contractual obligations and penalties for failing to deliver (for any reason) or government equity in exchange for funding.

baru,

Like promises not to do mass layoffs.

And what if that promise is broken? It shouldn’t just have promises, there should be clear consequences attached as well. Else it’ll just be a broken contract or promise. That can end up in legal stuff for ages.

AA5B, (edited )

Isn’t that what being paid in stock is meant to do? Reward him for making decisions causing the company to do well? There’s usually vesting periods and someone that high can’t just sell all at once, so it should incent him to act in the long term best interest of the company. In particular, Musk was famous for negotiating a pay package with less salary, and very aggressive targets for the company, to get stock bonuses . It should be good that it succeeded, that he met those targets

This is what I don’t get since reality is so different from the above fable. Where did it all go so wrong?

barsquid,

It’s easier to make the stock go up by committing securities fraud on Twitter than it is to actually make good products.

Bakkoda, in GOP introduces bill that would send anyone convicted of unlawful activity on a campus since Oct. 7th, 2023 to Gaza.

Imagine claiming to support freedom while also supporting anything even remotely as ghoulish as this.

disguy_ovahea,

Remember, we’re paying them to draft this legislation.

Check the election calendar for your state and vote them out!

ballotpedia.org/Elections_by_state_and_year

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the worst part. This has no chance of passing, this is just bad theater. Bad theater that you and I are funding.

disguy_ovahea,

Like a community funded production of Dance of the Vampires.

barsquid,

If I did my job this poorly I would be fired. Two tiers.

gAlienLifeform, in Tensions are so high at Columbia ahead of Passover that all classes will be virtual today
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

Wowza, they actually went through that whole article without mentioning that the university ordered an NYPD raid on student protesters last week and issued suspensions against a bunch of them.

But, no, that couldn’t have anything to do with these increased tensions, it’s definitely 100% because this is the first day of Passover /s

moistclump,

I noticed it’s being framed as an “enormous challenge for Shafik”. Bleh.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar
Theprogressivist, (edited ) in Trump gripes he can't reject 'unlimited' jurors in New York hush money trial
@Theprogressivist@lemmy.world avatar

Donnie’s complaints

  • Complained about not having a jury
  • Complained about having a jury
  • Complained about jury selection being too boring
  • Complained about falling asleep and being called Sleepy Don.
  • Complained he can’t see Baron’s graduation
  • Complained at a Bodega about Bodegas being the epicenter of violence and crime
  • Complained about not having unlimited STRIKERS
  • Complained about gag order
  • Complained about gag order being enforced
  • Complained about Jimmy Kimmel hurting his feelings at the Oscar’s, which was 38 days ago.

Wah wah wah. Fucking crybaby. How about not breaking the fucking law asshole?

dudinax,

If you can’t do the mild inconvenience, don’t do the crime.

orbitz,

As per his own words, he’s a whiner cause he’ll do it till it wins. Unsure how well that works in criminal court though. I’m hoping we get to find out the court’s limits sooner than later

Asafum,

There’s a bit of usefulness in whining. I “whine” at work all the time, but it’s about useful shit. Nothing seems to happen until I complain about something lol

ChowJeeBai,

He whines the likes the world has never seen. So much whining. I can’t stand it all this whining.

cm0002,

Sounds like he’s a bit of a … Snowflake lmao

InternetUser2012,

One downvote lol. Someone is a butthurt snowflake.

cm0002,

Thought you were a right wing MAGA nut, but looking at your profile you don’t seem to be too fond of Drumpster either

I think you might have misinterpreted my comment

TheRedSpade,

The way I interpreted it is that your comment had a downvote when InternetUser2012 commented, not that they were downvoting you. I could be wrong though.

InternetUser2012,

You are not wrong lol

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

I think you might have actually misinterpreted theirs; I think they were making fun of the person who downvoted, not claiming the downvote.

InternetUser2012,

Nah, you got mine wrong lol. I was talking about whoever downvoted you. It wasn’t me.

cm0002,

Wait, you guys can see a vote breakdown? LMAO I thought it was just a total vote count like on reddit this whole time lol

Dkarma,

Complained the looseys cost too much.

FlyingSquid, (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Haha. He’s still complaining about Kimmel?

That moron doesn’t even realize his complaints cause more people to tune into Kimmel to see Kimmel make fun of him every night.

And I hope Kimmel brings this up tonight.

bradorsomething,

He’s just so tired now, why do they keep making him run for president?

Corkyskog,

It’s his retirement plan

givesomefucks, in Florida Cop Empties His Gun, Runs For Cover After Acorn Falls On Car and Mistakes It For Shots Fired

Headline is kind of funny, but I wanted to know what he shot at

In body cam footage shared across social media, the officer was seen jumping to the ground and shouted “shots fired” after the acorn strikes the roof of his car. He then turned and emptied every bullet from his gun, each aimed squarely at his squad car.

Funny again…

While Hernandez fired on the car, Marquis Jackson, who was accused of stealing his girlfriend’s car, was in the back of the police cruiser. Officers had searched, handcuffed and loaded the accused into the back of the police car and, despite being cuffed, it was Jackson that the officer thought was shooting at him.

Nope, he was trying to kill someone handcuffed in the back of his squad car and had already been searched for weapons.

Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.

Beldarofremulak,

I deal with PTSD vets every day so I understand the snap buuuuut… No one else gets to get away with a slap on the wrist because of their mental illness so fuckem

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

No where in the article does it mention PTSD.

Maggoty,

And most of us would still wait for an actual target in a built up area.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Yeah. The "having PTSD" part isn't what should be punished, it's the "and yet still carrying a gun while putting yourself in a position to have your PTSD triggered like this" part that's egregious.

TheFriar,

Well, Philip Brailsford, the murderer who murdered Daniel Shaver, claimed PTSD for murdering Daniel so he could draw on his pension and retire early. Because he murdered someone and it hurt his fee-fees.

Fuck that.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

Indeed fuck that, but I don't see what it has to do with what I said.

TheFriar,

I was making the point that even the “has PTSD” is egregious when it comes to cops.

givesomefucks,

I mean. Being in combat and being a cop are two different things.

Maybe this guy was in a shootout and has PTSD, maybe this is the only time he’s ever fired on duty and he’s just a coward who panicked.

KevonLooney,

During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.

WarmSoda,

Oh wow. Good for him. I’m honestly surprised.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

Many times cops retire to avoid being investigated and move to a different department.

TheFriar,

Yeah at this point we should assume the worst until proven otherwise.

daltotron,

See I’m like, I don’t even think you could qualify most of the things you would do to this guy as being punishment. Preventing this guy from being a cop forever (pretty unlikely, but could happen), isn’t really a punishment. If he’s discharging his firearm into his own car, he’s obviously just unfit to be an officer and that’s a pretty clear safety concern. If you sent him to prison, that might be more of a “punishment”, but that’s also, you know, what cops do basically their whole careers, is send people to prison, and we still have all the same problems with the prison system as we’ve always had, so, you know, I’m like. I dunno. That doesn’t seem like a clear “win”, to me, both in terms of improving society and in terms of helping him out if he’s mentally ill which, you know, seems to clearly be the case, here.

You could also maybe think, hey, this guy goes to an asylum or something for mental illness, but that kind of has the same problems as sending someone to prison, it’s not usually a helpful system.

danc4498,

Keep in mind, this is Florida. It is perfectly legal to murder anybody if you can prove that you felt threatened.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Even if he wasn’t trying to kill Marquis Jackson, he clearly didn’t care if he killed him.

quirzle,
quirzle avatar

You don't mag dump like that if you don't care. He very much was trying to kill him.

originalucifer,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

this is their training. its SOP to do exactly this.

quirzle,
quirzle avatar

At an active threat, sure. When the dude's been searched, handcuffed, and trapped in the back of a car...there's some personal responsibility, imo.

Deceptichum,
Deceptichum avatar

So they've been trained to murder and endanger the public?

TheFriar,

Pretty much. Did he have a clean backdrop? Nah. He was in a fucking neighborhood

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You do if you’re an idiot and a coward.

quirzle,
quirzle avatar

Would just be an idiot and a coward trying to kill a man.

girlfreddy,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

… who’s handcuffed in your backseat.

The utter stupidity of cops astounds me daily. One would think I’d be used to it now, and yet …

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I am not saying he definitely wasn’t trying to kill Mr. Jackson intentionally. I’m saying that the other possibility is that he’s a stupid coward that empties his clip at his own car because he’s terrified and doesn’t think about and/or care that there’s a person in his car.

Was he intending to kill Mr. Jackson? Maybe. That’s definitely not an unlikely possibility. But I think stupid cowardice where the motive wasn’t murder is also not unlikely because cops are stupid cowards.

quirzle,
quirzle avatar

I got ya. I'm agreeing that he's a coward and an idiot, but disagreeing that he might not have been trying to murder a guy. He might not have believed it was murder, because of the idiot part...but the video convinced me he was intentionally trying to kill the unarmed man in the back of his car.

AbidanYre,

He also yelled “I’m hit” while unloading on his own vehicle.

assassinatedbyCIA,

Is he trying to use the South Park ‘He’s coming right for us’ defense?

Kbobabob,

Aren’t they all?

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

I went and watched it and you're right, it's plain as day lmfao. He falls over all dramatically "I'M HIT!" and shoots his gun sideways. I mean what the hell is this dude thinking?

quirzle,
quirzle avatar

"I'm hit" is to shooting someone as "stop resisting" is to beating them.

ivanafterall,
ivanafterall avatar

He even does extra-dramatic rolls in the grass like a kid pretending to be shot.

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

“It hit my vest” and “I feel weird”. Them be signs that his fat ass has coronary artery disease. Fucking Okaloosa County. Good riddance. Don’t miss it.

givesomefucks,

Same as when they think they’re doing on fentanyl…

After hearing the sound of the acorn, the deputy reported that he also felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.

Because of this, the video also showed Hernandez complaining about feeling “weird” and shouting to his colleague that he’s been hit. It’s all very dramatic.

Cops are constantly terrified because of their training, so they panic and mistake a panic attack for something else.

Being a cop sucks so much (because of their own leadership and culture) that good qualified people do t want to be a cop. So we end up with these fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all. Let alone be a cop

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

…fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all.

Yeah but deputy tacticool has holo sights. Not wasted on him at all.

Poor Durango.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

These idiots are so convinced that merely touching fentanyl will make them collapse that it actually happens to them.

If fentanyl was that strong, people would buy one bag and it would last for like a year.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Yeah… I am sure there are some idiots who believe in the horrors of fentanyl.

The reality is it is a catch all to excuse all the other drugs in their systems. If someone notices a cop is clearly amped up on amphetamines then the reality is that someone in the tri-state area had a single particle of fentanyl on them and THAT is why the cop who just killed four people is alternating between growling and crying while looking even sweatier than alex jones.

jaybone,

Does fentanyl amp you up? I would think it would make you super mellow.

ShepherdPie,

Just so we’re clear, those cops were tested after that ordeal and had absolutely zero fentanyl in their system.

Sir_Kevin,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

And the tingling he felt was just piss running down his leg.

HerbalGamer,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Imagine a drug you only had to touch. You’d never run out!

circuscritic,

Not quite. Drugs that can be absorbed through the skin, well, they get absorbed.

It’s not an infinite drugs glitch, just like powdered Fentanyl can’t be absorbed through the skin.

SnotFlickerman,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What? I always ran out of LSD and all you have to do is touch it because it’s skin permeable.

HootinNHollerin, (edited )

Only If it’s wet

KevonLooney,

That’s just because you don’t know how to make it, and they are selling it to you a few drops at a time. I believe the ingredients are actually pretty cheap. Chemistry students make it.

ivanafterall,
ivanafterall avatar

Yeah, right. I don't believe you. HOW would they do that? What steps could they possibly take!? What ingredients would they need and where would they even get them!?

PopMyCop,

I mean, step one: acquire the precursors. Step two: take organic chemistry 1; then organic chemistry 2; perhaps something strange like p chem, or environmental chem or chemical instrumentation; ask the professor between classes how to make it; take another class like drug discovery and design, or advanced organic chemistry…

Step three: make the good stuff.

Pips, (edited )

I am not recommending that anyone do this but you don’t need anything more advanced than Orgo 2. The issue isn’t making the compound, at least once you have the precursors, it’s ensuring that it’s not contaminated with other products in a way that harms or kills you. It’s not enough to get any yield, you need a safe yield.

PopMyCop,

That was the joke. You technically don’t even need the ochems if you just ask the professor like I said. We’re trying to lead kids down the dark road of the chemistry cult.

Pips,

I took Advanced Orgo for fun so I’m with you.

frezik,

We need details, dammit.

More seriously, a friend of mine was a chem student, and he says pretty much every one of his classmates knows how to run off 2 liters of LSD. Which should be enough to send every horse on the planet straight to the moon.

circuscritic,

Maybe LSA, but probably not LSD.

Synthesizing the drug isn’t the issue, as long as you have the right equipment and knowledge. The difficult part is getting the correct precursor chemicals.

grue,

Sell a man some LSD and he trips for a day. Teach a man to make LSD and he trips for a lifetime!

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

True, but fentanyl is generally not. They do make fentanyl patches, but casual exposure, like a cop touching a tiny bit of fentanyl, will not result in fentanyl being absorbed.

SnotFlickerman,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I know this, but I was responding to the idea that a drug you could touch and get high from would somehow last forever.

ShaggySnacks,

Please don’t take away my dream of endless LSD.

Garak,

Get yourself a degree in chemistry and you’ll be able to make a lifetime supply.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I know. I just felt clarification was necessary for people who don’t understand the difference.

Fedizen,

good people get fired as cops because they hesitate to shoot unarmed people and won’t lie for officers doing questionable things.

Theprogressivist,
@Theprogressivist@lemmy.world avatar

My goodness what a fucking snowflake. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the profession if you’re “scared shitless” 99% of the time. But we all know that’s a cover for them. They love killing people.

Telodzrum,

Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.

The review board found his conduct was not reasonable; so, it’ll be up to the prosecutor (which I’m sure in FL is an office eager to go after cops). The other officer, who began shooting after the officer wearing the bodycam in the OP began shooting, was found to have acted reasonably.

Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

I can at least somewhat understand the other officer. If your partner is screaming “IM HIT” and shooting several rounds in broad daylight, why would you question if you’re in a real shootout? Just because you haven’t seen the alleged shooter yet doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

I’m not saying either should get away with anything. But officer 2 at least had a reason to believe he was in danger.

octopus_ink,

Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.

IIRC Sympathetic Fire seems to be insta-forgiveness (by other police and the courts) whenever it comes up.

As one example, I think it played a role in the Daniel Shaver case, but it’s been a long time since I read all those details and I really don’t want to dive into that pool of anger and sadness again to verify.

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

Nah, it kind of makes sense for the second guy.

Remember, he’s not getting triggered by the acorn, he’s reacting to his coworker yelling that they’ve been shot and actual gunfire. That’s a justified reason to pull out your weapon IMO

Granted, he should’ve tried to take control of the situation and de-escalate so he could “save” his panicked coworker, but that kind of calmness “under fire” would take actual training

Wrench,

It does mean that the assisting officers aren’t required to actually confirm their target, though.

What if this was real. If a 3rd party shot at them. 1st officer fires, blindly assuming it’s the perp in cuffs in the car. 2nd cop shoots and kills perp in car because he saw that’s what his partner was shooting at. When, in this hypothetical scenario, it was really a 3rd party that wasn’t identified yet, which would be the only plausible source of a gun shot anyway since the perp was already searched and cuffed.

That doesn’t make sense to me, but that’s how they’re trained. Ride or die with their comrads. Once the first shot is fired, it’s shoot first and ask questions later for all additional officers.

That’s not good policy. That’s not good for civilians.

Silverseren, in Minneapolis mayor calls remote workers ‘losers’ who sit at home with a ‘nasty cat blanket, diddling on their laptop’

"impact of remote work on Minneapolis’ downtown economy"

So nothing about the impact of remote work on actual productivity and output, which studies show are greatly improved. F your downtown, man.

yeahiknow3,

If “downtown” were a carless urban greenscape, it would be thriving, particularly if folks had control over their own busy schedules. Instead, this idiot presides over a traffic-jammed, smog-filled, noisy, ugly, colorless concrete jungle and he’s sad it’s dying? Yeah, because most cities are hideous blight zones.

Silverseren,

Turn downtown back into a walkable space!

FlyingSquid, in Georgia police and FBI conduct Swat-style raids on ‘Cop City’ activists’ homes
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

At least one of the search warrants for Thursday’s raid seen by the Guardian authorized the FBI to confiscate dozens of items from the raided homes – including laptops, cellphones, “Defend the Atlanta Forest” stickers and posters and personal journals.

So, like, no bombs? No guns? Not even knives? How about nunchaku?

Not really seeing why these bastard cops had to do SWAT style raids. Unless, of course, they’re terrorists…

dumpsterlid,

Fascists gonna fascist

grue,

“Defend the Atlanta Forest” stickers

Blatant First Amendment violation, right there.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So many Constitutional violations here…

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

Don’t you know? In an antifa super soldier’s hands those stickers become deadly weapons!

ElleChaise,

Love that they still do this with all their enemies. The left is simultaneously the most dangerous, and also comprised of effeminate weaklings. Biden is both an evil super genius, and a befuddled geezer. So refreshing to know they've at least remained consistent in one thing; being dumb asses.

squiblet,
squiblet avatar

Common fascist tactic, of course. The notion is that they’re being suppressed by an enemy who is unworthy.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Right out of Umberto Eco’s list of defining points of fascism.

The disciples of Fascism must feel humiliated by the enemy’s wealth and power, but feel nonetheless that they can defeat the enemy. The enemy is both too strong and too weak.

www.grahamscambler.com/umberto-eco-on-fascism/

Eco grew up under Mussolini, so he knew a thing or two about fascism.

gAlienLifeform,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

Not really seeing why these bastard cops had to do SWAT style raids

The cruelty is the point

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Like I suggested- they’re terrorists. People may not like it when I call them terrorists, but what else can you call them when they spend so much time using violence and intimidation to cause fear amongst the populace?

SnotFlickerman, (edited )
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

authorized the FBI to confiscate dozens of items from the raided homes

Oh you mean the same FBI that was ignoring an insurrection as it happened and has taken its sweet fucking time rounding up insurrectionists?

They don’t have time for that shit, but they’ve got time for this.

ACAB.

Anyone who thinks any police in the USA are on the side of good and democracy are naive fucking idiots.

dan1101,

Even if they had guns, it’s a constitutional right. I’ve never understood the obsession with reporting when guns are found. Around 45% of US households have a gun, does that mean that 45% of Americans are criminals in the eyes of the law?! Actually probably.

magnetosphere, in Gina Carano suing Disney and Lucasfilm over Mandalorian firing with help from Elon Musk
magnetosphere avatar

Filing a nuisance suit against her former employer is a great way to boost her career, and teaming up with a scumbag like Musk helps clarify her ethics for anyone who’s unfamiliar with who she is. Outstanding move, Gina!

Hyperreality,

She no longer has a career with mainstream studios.

Fascist bullshit is her career now. I assume she has another wackadoodle movie coming out soon. Or maybe she's the next mother of Elon's soon to be estranged children.

themeatbridge,

Aka the Sorbo Guide to the Entertainment Industry.

gregorum,
UndulyUnruly,
@UndulyUnruly@lemmy.world avatar

Outstanding!

massacre,

DISSAPPOINTED!!

yukichigai,
yukichigai avatar

On the subject of Sorbo, apparently he had two small strokes during his time on Hercules and that's part of why he went off the rails so damn abruptly.

In other words they're following a playbook written by the brain-damaged, literally. By all means, go on.

Hyperreality,
captainlezbian,

Two strokes and a man in the 90s being upstaged by a spin-off of his show starring a woman in an action role with intense queer implications.

Illuminostro,

Well, she voluntarily took multiple blows to the head as a MMA fighter…

RizzRustbolt,

Oh Peanut…

hitmyspot,

As much as I agree with you logically, and also disagree with what she did, we shouldn’t encourage people to avoid lawsuits to address injustice they perceived. That’s how we ended up with . So many on the entertainment industry not rocking the boat as it could damage their career. Some were blacklisted for speaking out, so it was a real fear.

If it was a real injustice the same logic would apply and we should take that into consideration when we consider damages for real injustices.

magnetosphere,
magnetosphere avatar

I agree completely. I had the same concern as I was writing my comment, which is why I was careful to specify that it’s a nuisance suit. (Side note: autocorrect saved my butt. I can never remember how to spell “nuisance”.)

HikingVet, in Taylor Swift threatens legal action against Florida student who tracks her jet | CNN Business

Sure Ms. Swift, act like Muskrat.

BolexForSoup, (edited )
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  • iAmTheTot,
    iAmTheTot avatar

    That's the same argument Musk made though. Why is it more valid for Swift than it is for Musk?

    Szymon,

    Last I checked, not a lot of people are looking to kidnap and rape Musk for their Tater-tot incel fantasies.

    norbert,
    norbert avatar

    You should check again cause I'm sure there are more than a few people who'd do whatever it took to get their hands on Muskys gold. Including rape and kidnapping.

    Zorque,

    Considering his cult of personality, I wouldn't be so sure on that.

    Masterblaster,

    because she's one of the good guys and he's one of the bad guys. goose/gander arguments are sheep's skin for sociopaths to sociopath with.

    BolexForSoup,
    BolexForSoup avatar

    You don’t need to be a Taylor Swift fan to know that she is probably a better person than Elon Musk

    BolexForSoup,
    BolexForSoup avatar

    No, he just felt entitled to no one knowing. There aren't a bunch of Republicans (or in his case Democrats) in government and unhinged MAGA-types (or a left equivalent) spreading conspiracies about how he's a government plant or part of some psyop or whatever. It doesn't even compare. People just don't like Musk and he has no skin. Nor do his fanboys for that matter.

    Like this is a temporary state of affairs most likely. So I feel like as a good gesture the student could pause this until the election is over. But it sounds like you're just really concerned with some perceived hypocrisy over how people treated Musk.

    NegativeLookBehind,
    NegativeLookBehind avatar

    She has enough money, I’m sure she could afford a pair of FA-18E Super Hornets to escort her. And once she’s on the ground, get driven around in a Leopard 2A5.

    I guess what I’m saying is, Taylor Swift should be armed to the fucking teeth. Reaper drones, CIWS, tactical warheads, nuclear submarines, the whole nine.

    HikingVet,

    Yeah, not like someone who puts on big productions where people travel to see her is unfamiliar with personal security. And if she wanted her travel plans to be private, she could fly commercial or charter. Last I checked, there are companies that keep who their passenger lists quiet.

    Hegar,
    Hegar avatar

    How ever will the billionaire protect herself?

    Transparency and shaming selfish polluters is more important.

    sadreality,

    A disgusting bootlicker spotted.

    Heresy_generator, in Fed Chair Jerome Powell on 60 Minutes: The US is on an unsustainable economic path
    Heresy_generator avatar

    It's a presidential election year; time for every single Republican to suddenly start talking about a "debt crisis" that for some reason didn't exist while they were running up record deficits to cut taxes for the wealthy.

    ShepherdPie,

    Not just cut taxes for the wealthy but hand out $2T in cash to wealthy people/companies while us regular people collected the falling pocket change.

    makeasnek, (edited )
    @makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

    It doesn’t change the fact that the US has an unsustainable growth in the national debt which continues every year. Broken clock right twice a day etc. The US spending more than it makes on a consistent basis is not good long-term. It’s a bipartisan issue, both parties regularly approve budgets well above what we can afford.

    Jerome Powell is the fed chair, he was nominated to the post by President Barack Obama in 2012, he was subsequently elevated to chairman by President Donald Trump (succeeding Janet Yellen), and renominated to the position by President Joe Biden.

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/8f005794-5110-47d6-afbf-f6de83670b5e.png

    deegeese,

    Cool, why doesn’t he talk about eliminating the carried interest tax dodge for the wealthy?

    pearsaltchocolatebar,

    Because he’s being paid not to

    girlfreddy,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    He’s also a bureaucrat, not an elected official who can change the tax laws. He literally has no standing when it comes to making laws.

    Bipta,

    He could certainly make a suggestion. Congress is the one that has us on an unsustainable path and he has no problem pointing that out; so why not a solution?

    girlfreddy,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    And elected officials would have a fit if he did, 'cause it’d be crossing into their legal territory.

    stratosfear,

    How is it the federal debt and the public debt are perfectly aligned in that chart? Are those labels wrong? Am I missing something? Seems sus…

    makeasnek,
    @makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

    I believe this is where it’s from. If you look up similar charts you’ll see similar data. Most debt is publicly owned in the form of bonds, treasury notes, etc econofact.org/why-is-the-u-s-debt-expected-to-kee…

    stratosfear,

    Short answer, I misunderstood. “Debt held by the public” sounds like my credit card debt, but it’s not. That is (obvious now) private debt.

    crfb.org/…/qa-gross-debt-versus-debt-held-public

    …stlouisfed.org/…/making-sense-of-private-debt

    Hegar,
    Hegar avatar

    The US spending more than it makes

    The national economy of a global imperial power doesn't follow the same rules as your friend who's always broke a few days before pay day.

    Talking about one like it's the other is either proof of ignorance or an obvious attempt to deceive.

    makeasnek,
    @makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

    You’re right. We can spend more than we make forever. There will be no consequences to such a fiscal plan. Don’t listen to Jerome Powell, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

    Hegar,
    Hegar avatar

    National debt is not the same thing as spending more than you make.

    BowtiesAreCool,

    Have you taken an economics class before?

    kescusay, in Gen Z boys and men more likely than baby boomers to believe feminism harmful, says poll
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    Seriously doubt this (and most polling these days). Gen Z is particularly unlikely to respond to polls or answer unknown callers in general. Until those issues in polling are solved, I take them with a grain of salt.

    lolcatnip,

    Do you have any reason to believe zoomers’ willingness to respond to polls (compared to other zoomers) is correlated with their views on feminism?

    rambaroo,

    There are multiple studies showing the same thing. Denying it isn’t going to change anything.

    Sektor,

    The result is not to my liking, it must be wrong.

    stoly,

    That is NOT what they are saying. They are suggesting that the methodology may have been wrong, which is a perfectly reasonable question that EVERY person should ask themselves EVERY SINGLE TIME they hear about a study releasing results.

    BolexForSoup, (edited )
    BolexForSoup avatar

    So your doubt is based on a feeling? We don’t even consider Ipsos legitimate now?

    This feels like the left equivalent of “fake news!” when we see something we don’t like

    Deceptichum,
    Deceptichum avatar

    Did you look at the questions? Half of them are basically, “Have you heard of Andrew Tate” (which of course younger people are more likely to have), “Do you agree with Andrew Tate”, “Is Andrew Tate Bad”, etc.

    The polling is irrelevant if the universities questions suck shit.

    AnotherAttorney,

    I mean, agreeing with Andrew Tate is a pretty solid indicator that you’re not a feminist.

    Deceptichum,
    Deceptichum avatar

    The issue is that younger people are more likely to agree with him, because older people have no idea who he is.

    The question introduces generational biases.

    AnotherAttorney,

    The agreement questions were only posed to those who responded that they knew about him. It’s not like they were asking old people who had no idea who he was if they agreed with him.

    MxM111,
    MxM111 avatar

    Is it possible that you are more likely to know him if you agree with him? And also if you are younger? That will skew the outcome.

    AnotherAttorney,

    Not necessarily. A lot of people know about controversial figures like Crowder and Shapiro but don’t agree with them.

    MxM111,
    MxM111 avatar

    Of course, I am only talking about likelihoods. If you do not know a person, but have a friend how shares your political views, it is more likely that your friend recommend to learn about that person, if the person’s view also coincides with yours. Kind of echo chamber effect.

    BolexForSoup,
    BolexForSoup avatar

    That looks like a pretty standard battery of poll questions to me. If somebody says they have an opinion of Andrew Tate but you can’t confirm whether or not they have even heard of him, then the answer is near-useless unless you’re trying to make some sort of study about how people have opinions on things they don’t know about, which I highly doubt was the purpose of this poll.

    Do you have experience developing polls? It’s OK if you don’t have any, but I’m looking for some reason why your attack is valid in the face of a respectable group like Ipsos. Do you have any sources for why this is bad? I feel like we are just getting your gut feelings here. You have to give us something more than “this sounds silly to me.”

    kibiz0r,

    Yeah, the privacy-minded socially-averse demographic is a well-documented stronghold of feminist support.

    MicroWave, (edited )
    @MicroWave@lemmy.world avatar

    Looks like this was an online poll where you get paid if randomly selected:

    Ipsos UK interviewed online a representative sample of 3,716 adults aged 16+ across the United Kingdom between 17 and 23 August 2023. This data has been collected by Ipsos’s UK KnowledgePanel, an online random probability panel…

    kcl.ac.uk/…/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study…

    For what it’s worth, there’s a recent Gallup survey showing a similar trend that published a couple weeks ago:

    …Since 2014, women between the ages of 18 and 29 have steadily become more liberal each year, while young men have not. Today, female Gen Zers are more likely than their male counterparts to vote, care more about political issues, and participate in social movements and protests.

    businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-wo…

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    If you pay me to answer your poll, I’ll answer it however you want me to.

    bedrooms,

    But they didn't tell you how they wanted you to answer, I guess...

    anytimesoon,

    Truthfully?

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Of course not. Why would I care about telling the truth as long as I was getting paid?

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    I’ll select the first option for everything. Give me my AppleBee’s coupon!!

    iAmTheTot,
    iAmTheTot avatar

    You just said you'd answer it however they want you to. The way they want you to is truthfully.

    taigaman,
    taigaman avatar

    Got eem

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I think you know what I meant.

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

    What you meant is being communicated clearly. Why you think it’s some sort of conspiracy against big feminism or some shit is the confusing part.

    They just want you to answer the poll legitimately.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Then why are they paying people to respond?

    GregorGizeh,

    Id say to make a group of people generally averse to participating in such polls, participate.

    Why do people participate in any such polls? Because they think their opinion is important and want it heard, or because they get something. Market researchers usually give test groups their products for free or at a discount. Researchers pay people to participate in studies. Most humans don’t do things without motivation.

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

    So they respond.

    If you don’t pay people then you’re only going to get people who are really enthusiastic about it to respond. If you actually compensate them for their time then people will take time out of their day to talk about something they probably don’t care about.

    iAmTheTot,
    iAmTheTot avatar

    No, I don't. You said you'd do whatever they want if they paid you, then immediately said you wouldn't do it truthfully if they paid you to answer truthfully. It's nonsensical.

    undercrust,

    LOL, this dude’s been lucky enough to never read a strategically worded political poll apparently.

    All polls are inherently biased in their wording. Almost no poll-makers are non-partisan, and the people most likely to complete polls are often the most biased.

    Statistics baybeee! They’ll tell you whatever you want if you structure your intake datum properly!

    TSG_Asmodeus,
    @TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

    LOL, this dude’s been lucky enough to never read a strategically worded political poll apparently.

    So why did women and men respond completely differently, if not because… they feel that way?

    BolexForSoup,
    BolexForSoup avatar

    It is impossible to have truly "objective" polling. There are the questions, there are the answers, and you assess within that context. We have standards and practices that help steer us towards higher quality input/output knowing that nothing is airtight.

    This is a nonsense standard of your own making. News, history, doesn't matter. "Just the facts" and "true objectivity" are a noble dream at best (to borrow from Novick) and are unachievable. You do the best you can, account for biases/different narratives, and deliver the results. That's always how it has been. It doesn't make these fields totally arbitrary or worthless as you imply.

    FlowVoid,

    Then why are boomers immune to the pollster’s secret agenda?

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t remember saying they had a secret agenda.

    TSG_Asmodeus,
    @TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

    Of course not. Why would I care about telling the truth as long as I was getting paid?

    So is it just the men who are lying ‘to get paid’, or are the women too?

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I didn’t say they were lying to get paid, I said if someone paid me, I would answer however they wanted me to answer. I speak for no one but myself.

    BolexForSoup,
    BolexForSoup avatar

    Look a lot of yall have some flippant remarks about polling methods, and while they are far from perfect, these are valid methods. Ipsos and Gallup (who showed similar results) are respectable groups. We can bicker about the specific numbers but the trend is clear and it’s something we need to address. Jeering and mocking pollsters doesn’t change that.

    astral_avocado,

    Good polling can be formated in a way to weed out people giving nonsense answers, it’s like the first thing you learn about polling in sociology or psychology, how to extract quality data.

    BolexForSoup,
    BolexForSoup avatar

    This whole thread is so irritating. The number of people who think their snap judgment of a headline invalidates all of polling/stats is astounding.

    astral_avocado, (edited )

    It’s easier to think there are easy answers that validate your preformed opinions…

    BolexForSoup,
    BolexForSoup avatar

    “I’ve literally never participated in a nationwide poll nor have I ever made one outside of scheduling with friends but in my expert opinion these questions are terrible.”

    xor,

    and how many people will click on an ad or email saying you’ll get paid to take a poll?
    is that a representative portion of the population or a very niche subgroup of desperate, gullible or extremely bored people?
    how/where was it advertised?

    polls don’t have to be bullshit, but they always are…

    lud,

    It sounds like you are sent the poll by snailmail and/or you are “recruited” that way and are then sent multiple polls over sometime.

    www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uk-knowledgepanel

    It’s hard to get random people’s emails and still be sure that the samling is good. This way seems more reliable. The few serious polls I have ever been sent by the National Bureau of Statistics has always been sent by snailmail (or technically digital snailmail which is connected to my digital ID)

    xor,

    technically digital snailmail which is connected to my digital ID

    do you mean e-mail? or is this some UK thing?

    lud,

    No, it’s a free service you sign up for which delivers all the snailmail you get from governments and others to a digital mailbox instead. It’s like instant snailmail.

    It functions using an app or website instead of email, so you login by verifying your ID and not a password. I think the service is fairly common where I live.

    You can also get some receipts via that service.

    The service automatically organises all your mail into folders for each sender and separately for receipts and payments. Sender folders wouldn’t work well for email because you get email for a lot of people and companies but with this service I have only collected 16 different senders over 3 years.

    You can also share your digital mailbox with other people.

    It’s very convenient and saves time and paper. So I highly recommend checking if anything similar exists where you live.

    I don’t live in the UK so I don’t know if they have anything like it.

    xor,

    so… they scan and digitize your mail for you?

    lud,

    No, they send it through the service. Nothing ever gets printed.

    The different companies and government organisations do have to support it though.

    There are a few different companies that deliver the same service, the biggest (and first?) one is apparently used by almost half of the country’s population. Pretty much every service supports all the governmental organisations. Company support varies more.

    One of the smaller (not small) service provider is owned by the goverment. I am thinking of switching to that one but I haven’t bother yet.

    Apparently at least one of the smaller providers supports scanning of all physical mail but I have never had that.

    ClockworkOtter,

    That’s an interesting thing to note. If the people more likely to approve of Tate and his message are the ones looking for easy money then that could indicate a degree of selection bias.

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    The existence and popularity of people like Tate and toxic dating strategy shit might be an indication of how Gen Z is handling misogyny. It’s possible Gen Z hasn’t been exposed to misogyny in such heavy doses as the rest of us. Seeing your peers undervalued and objectified could sort of be an inoculation. There also might be a perquisite strong belief in equality component.

    For things like feminism, the battle is never over. Insidious ideals like misogyny needs to be constantly kept in check.

    givesomefucks,

    Your first link disagrees with the article you posted…

    And while younger people overall have a more favourable view of this phrase, there is a big gender divide in views among them: 37% of men aged 16 to 29 say “toxic masculinity” is an unhelpful phrase, roughly double the 19% of young women who feel this way. Correspondingly, young women (47%) are considerably more likely than young men (29%) – or any other age category – to find it a helpful term.

    By contrast, views among older age groups vary less by gender – although older men are more likely than younger men to say “toxic masculinity” is an unhelpful term.

    It sounds like the only change is you get women are more supportive of feminism than older women…

    MicroWave, (edited )
    @MicroWave@lemmy.world avatar

    The first link is the study the article cites to. Also, I don’t think there’s a disagreement. The portion you cited refers specifically to “toxic masculinity,” whereas the article focuses on people’s reactions to “feminism.” Specifically, it mentions that 16% of Gen Z males felt feminism had done more harm than good, compared to 13% among those over 60, to support its claim.

    givesomefucks,

    Looked at the pdf …

    The public think the oldest group of men are most likely to believe equal opportunities for women have gone too far – but it is actually men aged 30 to 59 men who are more likely to feel this way47% of the public think older men aged 60+ are most likely to believe attempts to give women equal opportunities have gone too far – the top answer given. But in reality, 20% of men aged 30 to 59 hold this view, compared with 13% of men aged 60+.

    For 16-29, it’s 5%

    So yeah, still not sure why you’re using a string of different articles, but they don’t agree with you main post bud…

    MicroWave,
    @MicroWave@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not sure what you’re arguing anymore. I said the article focuses on the “feminism” portion of the study. This new portion you cited to is about “equal opportunities.” Look at page 15 of the PDF where it specifically shows 16% for men aged 16-29 vs. 13% for men aged 60+ with respect to “feminism” (the point of the article).

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/574b6510-281a-4a24-8922-63a1aac68a24.png

    givesomefucks,

    Thank!

    I saw the survey was just British respondents, but I didn’t know that question was specifically about British culture…

    Sorry, it’s really hard to follow all the omissions and misrepresentations a survey went thru to get to the post you decided should be the main one.

    But yeah, older people are going to remember what it was like 40 years ago and can see the good feminism has done.

    A teenager would have know first hand knowledge how bad it was even a decade ago.

    MicroWave,
    @MicroWave@lemmy.world avatar

    No worries! Sorry if my tone sounded harsh. Yeah, I agree with you that new articles can sometimes have tunnel vision.

    givesomefucks, (edited ) in Family of teen who died by suicide after video of her assault was posted online sues school

    It’s more fucked up than just that.

    The school (for some reason) gave UK Tabloid The Daily Mail an interview.

    They said the father cheated on the mother and forced the daughter to move in with the mistress, that the victim was a drug dealer and was beaten for selling laced marijuana to her attackers, so the victim killed herself because of her unstable home life and drug addiction, not the beating the school ignored.

    So they’re not just being sued for not doing anything after the beating, they’re being sued for slander as well.

    Edit:

    Since OPs link doesn’t go into all that, here’s the article I read the other day so you don’t have to take my word on it

    lawandcrime.com/…/teens-suicide-after-school-beat…

    I also forgot the school brought up the victims mom died of suicide as well… Implying it would have happened anyways.

    “The mom killed herself two years ago. The girls that assaulted her were friends with her but thought she had laced the marijuana they had smoked together. The father is very upset and lost his only child so sometimes you just have to eat the s— sandwich,” an email from Parlapanides stated, according to the lawsuit.

    TheRealLinga,

    Yeeeeeeeeshhhh good fuck them then I hope they all burn

    nicetriangle,
    nicetriangle avatar

    Jfc

    Deceptichum,
    Deceptichum avatar

    Even if any of that was true, how could they be allowed to share a students personal details like so?

    Duamerthrax,

    Schools are run by sociopaths.

    cynar,

    Bad schools tend to burn teachers and administrators out. The only ones who don’t are either hyper dedicated , or sociopathic. This concentrates them into problematic schools. The sociopathic ones also tend to get the most headlines, so we hear about them a lot more.

    DigitalTraveler42,

    I like how Abbott Elementary actually shows this aspect, but it handles the problem too lightly, but the principal is basically the villain of the show.

    Duamerthrax,

    My friend was a teacher for a bit. He ended up leaving for multiple reasons, but one stand out story was when he stuck up for a student that needed to carry an epipen, but the school wouldn’t let them per their Zero Tolerance policy. The Gym Teacher turned Principle said he wasn’t worried about getting sued if the child was hurt, as he’s been sued before.

    The superintendent at my high school admitted that I “Fell through the cracks”, but refused to do anything about it when I confronted him about my difficulties getting out of the remedial classes. This will be a bit of a brag, but most people assume that I’m some engineering graduate instead of a drop out. This includes state university professors.

    DigitalTraveler42,

    There’s just too many bad administrators and teachers out there, just like in the private sector there’s too much bad management, we need to trim the fat and figure out what works and what doesn’t while also putting compassionate people in charge of students and people in general.

    deweydecibel,

    We’re really just going to lay a blanket statement down like this? Every single one, everywhere, run by sociopaths? No room for nuance here at all?

    Reminder that schools are often run by former teachers. You know, those severally underpaid and overworked people that do one of the hardest and most important jobs there is.

    Duamerthrax,

    Yes, sure why not? It’s not like what we say here has any effect on the situation. I’ve been trying to fix my issues since I left. I’m allowed to be bitter.

    Reminder that schools are often run by former teachers.

    From my experience, primarily gym and civics teachers. I’ve have so many little anecdotes about how my high school civics/history teachers pushed conservative ideology. Complaining about “welfare queens”, complaining about unions(even saying teacher’s unions were the only ones needed anymore). There’s a selection bias for the types of people that become administrators and it’s the same bias for why CEOs are mainly made up of sociopaths.

    steakmeout,

    Got it, so you justify your ridiculous statement with even more ridiculous rhetoric, anecdote and not a shred of real evidence. Let’s say everything you said was true - you’re one person, how many schools could you have possibly experienced in ways that are meaningful to this conversation? You only mention one and that was as a student and that example is about fucking civics teachers not those who ran the school.

    Honestly, the stuff that people say here to justify stupid statements is hilariously inept. Just take a moment and stop to read what you write and really think about how it reads - it’s childish lying and only likeminded fools agree with it.

    Duamerthrax,

    All you have to do is look at the end results. Holistically, sociopathy is the norm and the school system is a corner stone in supporting that. It’s just hard to see because of normalized it is.

    As far as proving it, I’m not going to dox myself and if I did, it wouldn’t be good enough for you. I’ve had enough experience with the education system at various levels and know enough of the good educators to know how it works.

    blanketswithsmallpox,

    Remember what ACAB, landlord hating, anybody that’s not communist or fixing every world problem with the snap of a finger platform you’re on.

    Not only that, but there’s far fewer to literally no mod tools, bot detection, and vote manipulation detection either.

    It makes things make a lot more sense when you realize half your politics and news threads are about as extreme as you can get short of being straight up 8chan.

    wanderingmagus,

    Shipmate, why are you even here?

    blanketswithsmallpox,

    To show that there’s sensible people here so others can get the fuck off reddit too.

    pearsaltchocolatebar,

    Schools and students rights are a pretty wild legal topic.

    For instance, anything you say to the school administration can be used against you in court without you being read your rights.

    This is because the school is legally operating as the parents while the child is there, and parents don’t need to read kids their rights.

    But, the school is being sued for slander as well, so it could very well be that it was illegal to share that info.

    hessenjunge,

    Thank God it’s not fucked up like that in every country.

    pearsaltchocolatebar,

    Our crazy is spreading. Get out and vote to prevent it from happening in your country.

    Chozo,
    Chozo avatar

    Jesus, that's just pure malice on the school's part. Not even through incompetence, it seems downright deliberate. Absolute sociopaths, I hope the family takes them to the fuckin' cleaners.

    givesomefucks,

    Yeah, I was really surprised this article just ignores all that extra stuff. That’s the main reason for the lawsuit.

    Especially since it was for a tabloid from another country, like why wouldn’t you just ignore them?

    Algaroth,

    “eat the shit sandwich” is unbelievably crass when talking about the suicide of a teenage girl who was their student. Fucking hell.

    dangblingus,

    What does that even mean in this context? I’m pretty sure that dad has been eating shit sandwiches for a couple of years now. Why does he have to eat more? Sounds like an insensitive halfwit wrote that email.

    Algaroth, (edited )

    I can only interpret it as “fuck you, deal with it”. My sister committed suicide over 20 years ago and if anyone talked like this to me today I don’t know that I would handle it legally. It’s so fucked up.

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    I mean, they’ll deal with it all right: by emptying the school’s pockets.

    Tangent5280,

    God, it boils your blood doesn’t it. That poor child. She is at peace now.

    maynarkh,

    And we let people like this near kids. No wonder society is where it’s at

    xhieron, in Kenneth Smith ‘struggled for life’ for 22 minutes in Alabama nitrogen gas execution: Updates
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    Look. Execution is inhumane. You can’t make it gentle, peaceful, or nice. All you can do is make it quick, which it sounds like they failed to do here. But if the good people of Alabama aren’t comfortable with someone struggling for half an hour and then dying, they shouldn’t execute people at all.

    That said, the person quoted in this article is the executed’s spiritual advisor. If I was Smith’s spiritual advisor, I’d also be claiming the method was inhumane, violent, and awful. The reality is that it’s a lot more cruel that Smith went back into the execution chamber despite them botching the job the first time than that they half-assed the nitrogen asphyxiation. It was an untested method, but every method of execution has a first person to be executed with it.

    If your society is bickering over which way it should kill the condemned, you’ve already ceded the moral high ground. We have already solved execution, and we’ve had it solved for decades, even centuries arguably. Hanging, firing squad, electrocution, beheading, lethal injection–every method has its proponents and detractors, but every method is to the same end. If you’re too squeamish for what happened in Alabama, an alternative method of killing people isn’t going to fix that for you. The solution is staring you right in the face, and it’s life without parole.

    some_guy,

    But if the good people of Alabama aren’t comfortable with

    A lot of people want the US to stop supporting Israel killing Palestinians. Is that happening?

    Governments often act against the wishes of the people. Did everyone in Alabama agree this man should die this way?

    kent_eh,

    If your society is bickering over which way it should kill the condemned, you’ve already ceded the moral high ground.

    Well said.

    snooggums,
    snooggums avatar

    That said, the person quoted in this article is the executed’s spiritual advisor. If I was Smith’s spiritual advisor, I’d also be claiming the method was inhumane, violent, and awful.

    Yes, the person who actually cares about the person being killed speaks up for the person being killed. Does that make their opinion less valid than all the liars who said he was going to just pass peacefully, which of course did not happen?

    xhieron,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    … Yes. Yes it does. It’s literally his job. It doesn’t make the opinion invalid, but it absolutely makes it less valid than the opinion of a neutral observer. That’s just what bias is.

    ZeroCool, (edited ) in Donald Trump testifies for less than 3 minutes in defamation trial and is rebuked by judge

    “She said something that I considered to be a false accusation,” he said, later adding: “I just wanted to defend myself, my family and, frankly, the presidency.”

    You sexually assaulted her in 1996 you dumb sack of shit. It was two full decades before you fell ass backwards into the Oval office. This has nothing to do with the presidency. It’s about you and your crimes.

    Edit: The defamation claim is absolutely about the sexual assault taking place. That’s what he was referring to when he said “something I consider to be a false accusation”. Anyone trying to tell you this trial has nothing to do with the sexual assault is an idiot.

    nkat2112,
    @nkat2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Please have my upvote. Excellently stated. Thank you.

    elbucho, (edited )
    @elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

    This trial isn’t about the sexual assault. That was already established in a previous case, where he was ordered to pay $5M in damages.

    This trial is about him repeatedly calling her a liar, and other worse things when the memoir she had published in 2019 described the sexual assault. He’s unsuccessfully attempting to argue that since he was president at the time, his actions as president should be immune from civil and criminal litigation.

    I think that even if he and his attorneys weren’t some of the dumbest people in the world, it would still be a very difficult position to prove. As it turns out, though, they are some of the dumbest people in the world, so there’s no shot that that defense will work. And he doesn’t exactly help his case by repeatedly claiming that Carroll was lying about the sexual assault, since that has already been established as fact by the court.

    Edit: Very confused about the downvotes here. What am I missing?

    azimir,

    What am I missing? I figure it’s because people don’t know the intricacies of the two trials. He’s already been found liable for the sexual assault in the first completed case. This current case has the same basic facts so the judge ruled that there is no re-litigation to be done on liability, only on damages.

    I presume your downvotes are most likely related to the first sentence in your post. They get that far and likely assume that you’re denying the first case’s conclusions without catching the subtle nature of the two cases.

    GBU_28, (edited )

    You’re missing it.

    He’s claiming the presidency he experienced changes/colors/empowers his current and past actions.

    To him, a president or former president should never be on trial for this. To him a president had ascended from crimes of the flesh.

    Neato,
    @Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

    Does that mean we can charge him with crimes of the spirit? Heresy or purity charges, anyone?

    Imgonnatrythis,

    I am all for this as a policy as long as Obama promises to murder him.

    Jako301,

    I also wouldn’t mind Biden shooting him. Maybe the Republicans then change their minds about gun controll.

    Enkrod,
    hitmyspot,

    Really, it should be Hilary, but life’s not always fair.

    School_Lunch, in Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'
    • goes to auschwitz
    • talks about himself

    He clearly learned nothing.

    Num10ck,

    reminds me of when Justin Bieber went to visit Anne Franks place.

    boywar3,

    Its my understanding that it was more of a “holy shit, she was the same age as many of my fans” statement.

    ChrisLicht,

    “Truly inspiring to be able to come here. Anne was a great girl. Hopefully she would have been a belieber.”

    mosiacmango,

    Difference is a 19 year old and a 51yr old.

    I expect student shit from a teenager. Someone Musks age? Jesus.

    Mek,

    As someone else noted, Bieber was young and naive. I don’t think he said it to boost his ego; rather, it was just a poor choice of words. Now, Musk, on the other hand…

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