I haven't tested Bluesky but I can say that if Mastodon wants to stay competitive (and I hope it does), it needs to address SEARCH & SURFACING fast.
The first open-protocol network that enables news and fast breaking events to surface easily and with functional search will win the market. You'll see journos, sports, etc. migrate to the platform that gives them that visibility.
There is a window of opportunity here but it doesn't stay open long.
Maybe, just maybe, we don't want to become mainstream or "like twitter" at any cost?
and btw,
actually this isn't even a thing of " #mastodon ", this is about #activityPub being mastodon only one representative that can be forked to integrate for a example a search feature you wish for.
actually it's already out there.
more speed in times of ever increasing fakability by AI?
.. good luck ..
I find it strange that #BlueskySocial wanted to create their own protocol just because the existing ones weren't "good enough". Who's to say everything will always stay the same? We've been having development in every major protocols throughout the history of the Internet, look at http for example.
No, I think they know they won't get enough money or control in any other way than to develop their own. The openness is just a facade here. #ActivityPub#Fediverse
There seems to be a growing amount of uninformed, negative posts on #Mastodon about #Bluesky.
It’s unfortunate that a platform which believes is populated by open minded people do not gather information themselves to form a balanced opinion, but rather jump on the “echo chamber” bandwagon instead.
Kind of reminds me of behavioral patterns on #Twitter. Remember it’s not the platform, but what you bring with you that matters.
@alastor8472 Reasonable account portability is #1 on my wish list of next steps that I feel should have been implemented long ago. It also seems like something that the Mastodon devs in particular are not interested in implementing any time soon.
@alastor8472 Sure, there are a lot of concerns about minor issues with an app in its beta phase that are being overblown. That always happens with new products, #ActivityPub clients included. A lot of those minor issues will surely be resolved and don't maybe deserve too much attention.
But there is also a growing amount of informed, realistic posts about fundamental issues with #BlueSky and the #ATProtocol. Issues that will likely not be resolved as they are intentional design choices baked in.
But for everything there is a price. I think #BlueskySocial makes a bit more of a balance between #Twitter and Mastodon’s spartan approach. Including algorithms, search, where it’s usefulness for discoverability will also have a another side of the coin.
In the end the user decides though, as long as it’s well informed.
@codesmith for me it’s account portability. The way #Mastodon (and others) are currently designed leaves too much in the hands of instance admins. We’ve seen instances disappear, and potential misuse lures around the corner as well. Account portability gives more control and freedom over your social media data.
I too hope the new interest, and competition, wakes up people and causes long awaited wishes to be realized both for Mastodon and #ActivityPub.
@evan I think you and the other authors did a spectacular job on AS2 and #ActivityPub given the challenges with deadlines and getting a consensus between the various groups involved in the discussion. My questions and comments are about AP/AS2 in 2023 and beyond rather than 2018.
I realize it's not a popular topic around here, but I fear there's a storm coming if this catches. No matter how much we true believers see ActivityPub as the best approach to global social media, it does have a number of issues, as we know. Most of the public doesn't care about the big picture. They never really have.
Dorsey-backed Twitter alternative Bluesky hits Android .
@shoq DARPA definitely funded development but I think enterprises settled on ethernet-TCP/IP because of their flexible designs, we have that with #ActivityPub we just need to flesh some stuff (e.g. identity 😜, scaled moderation) out.
I'm a bit embarrassed to say that It's been a long time since I caught up with how the @Flipboard is evolving. It's just so well done, and chock full of features and ideas I once criticized it for not having. And now that it's partly integrated with Fediverse, I am seeing all kinds of new possibilities for it. I'm allocating a lot of time next week to studying it more closely, and seeing if it can become the foundation of a really cool curation idea I've been noodling for years.
@shoq@Flipboard Love hearing that, Shoq. Please let me know what you think. We're actively designing the next gen #Flipboard built on #ActivityPub so suggestions are particularly helpful right now.
— Decentralized
Like #Mastodon, #Bluesky intents to be decentralized. This means that not Bluesky as a company will be part of it, but others can also join in.
The exciting part is that this is happening on multiple levels: where your data is stored, and how your feed is composed for your timeline.
Note: Right now the devs are working hard on making this happen, while currently everyone invited is on the same server.
@volkris many of the limitations people have with #Mastodon, or the underlying #ActivityPub, haven’t been addressed in years. I read very old blogs already pointing it out.
My best bet a new standard comes along that could be adopted, with the necessary work. I do see a lot of opposition against any new protocol, without trying to understand the need (of progress).
I believe Mastodon and ActivityPub are far from perfect, and we should blindly praise it. But that’s just me.
I hope we’ll see more third party apps of devs that worked on their #Mastodon clients also consider #BlueskySocial as a potential place to earn fame and money.
Who knows in the future we’ll might see some more collaboration between the various decentralized protocols from #Bluesky, #Nostr, #Farcaster and #ActivityPub. It really is hard to predict the future and the relevance of each while all the players are relatively small.
Right now they also seem to cater to specific groups of people.
— Protocol and APIs
Even if #BlueskySocial is still in closed beta for users, the API is already open for usage. And AT is open-sourced. So for developers it’s possible to get started creating new tools or improve the protocol.
I believe the previous posts on discoverability, portable user data, support do algorithms are valid reasons to create a new protocol by #Bluesky.
It doesn’t invalidate #ActivityPub used by #Mastodon. But it might indicate a concern on its slow development.
The tech industry is abuzz about a new standard for social networking that is more open, more user-centric, and potentially more powerful than Twitter and Facebook. But we’ve been here before.
For most of the last 15 years, the social web has felt like a settled market — and then Elon Musk bought Twitter
It’s effectively the web3 alternative to #activitypub . It’s a good North Star for the fediverse to aspirationally build towards.
But I’m only interested in BlueSky insofar as it interoperates with the existing #fediverse .
And I think they recognize that the the fediverse movement & community would turn on them if they cannibalize the existing network instead of adding to it as a friendly & compatible node.
Rejected a lump sum of money from an incubator to convert Owncast into a business.
Told a person who wanted to sell things to Owncast users, offering me a cut, to go to hell.
Shut down an initiative from some "AI" company to offer a version of Owncast with their proprietary "content filtering" to stop people from saying naughty words and showing no-no stuff.
I might not have any income, but I can sure sleep well at night.
What are the odds that a load of fediverse implementations only support hacky security-vocab validation methods and would completely break if I used publicKeyPem instead of publicKey on the actor object.
I'm excited about #calckey's "#antennas" which seem to be an enhancement of #Mastodon's "#filters". The cool part is you can use boolean logic in search terms, and you can also search for terms which works like Mastodon's hashtag subscriptions. #activityPub#fediverse
One of my regrets was advising an IT director at a previous employer that #ActivityPub wasn't worth pursuing at the time. Granted, this was a few years ago when it was far more "niche", but I was clearly wrong to downplay it.
Just use #friendica and you can post and interact with #activitypub and #email protocol at the same time. The beauty of the #fediverse is that not every platform has to do everything.