ethanschoonover, to random
@ethanschoonover@mastodon.social avatar

Will this be Mastodon's VHS or Betamax moment?

I haven't tested Bluesky but I can say that if Mastodon wants to stay competitive (and I hope it does), it needs to address SEARCH & SURFACING fast.

The first open-protocol network that enables news and fast breaking events to surface easily and with functional search will win the market. You'll see journos, sports, etc. migrate to the platform that gives them that visibility.

There is a window of opportunity here but it doesn't stay open long.

bitpickup,
@bitpickup@troet.cafe avatar

@ethanschoonover

Maybe, just maybe, we don't want to become mainstream or "like twitter" at any cost?

and btw,
actually this isn't even a thing of " ", this is about being mastodon only one representative that can be forked to integrate for a example a search feature you wish for.
actually it's already out there.

more speed in times of ever increasing fakability by AI?
.. good luck ..

@futurebird

rolle, to fediverse
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

I find it strange that wanted to create their own protocol just because the existing ones weren't "good enough". Who's to say everything will always stay the same? We've been having development in every major protocols throughout the history of the Internet, look at http for example.

No, I think they know they won't get enough money or control in any other way than to develop their own. The openness is just a facade here.

tomodachi94,
@tomodachi94@floss.social avatar

@rolle everyone has to be a unicorn :)

Seriously though, has existed for years... why do they need to reinvent the wheel?

alastor8472, to fediverse
@alastor8472@mastodon.online avatar

There seems to be a growing amount of uninformed, negative posts on about .

It’s unfortunate that a platform which believes is populated by open minded people do not gather information themselves to form a balanced opinion, but rather jump on the “echo chamber” bandwagon instead.

Kind of reminds me of behavioral patterns on . Remember it’s not the platform, but what you bring with you that matters.

#️⃣

codesmith,

@alastor8472 Reasonable account portability is #1 on my wish list of next steps that I feel should have been implemented long ago. It also seems like something that the Mastodon devs in particular are not interested in implementing any time soon.

I like what I've seen from with . I wish more devs would consider that option.

codesmith,

@alastor8472 Sure, there are a lot of concerns about minor issues with an app in its beta phase that are being overblown. That always happens with new products, clients included. A lot of those minor issues will surely be resolved and don't maybe deserve too much attention.

But there is also a growing amount of informed, realistic posts about fundamental issues with and the . Issues that will likely not be resolved as they are intentional design choices baked in.

alastor8472,
@alastor8472@mastodon.online avatar

@codesmith I don’t think and the will be perfect. I’m hopeful they will address the intended goals and core issues that and have.

But for everything there is a price. I think makes a bit more of a balance between and Mastodon’s spartan approach. Including algorithms, search, where it’s usefulness for discoverability will also have a another side of the coin.

In the end the user decides though, as long as it’s well informed.

alastor8472,
@alastor8472@mastodon.online avatar

@codesmith for me it’s account portability. The way (and others) are currently designed leaves too much in the hands of instance admins. We’ve seen instances disappear, and potential misuse lures around the corner as well. Account portability gives more control and freedom over your social media data.

I too hope the new interest, and competition, wakes up people and causes long awaited wishes to be realized both for Mastodon and .

evan, to random
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@steve Hi! I got rate-limited on socialhub, so I figured I'd try to engage you here.

steve,
@steve@social.technoetic.com avatar

@evan I think you and the other authors did a spectacular job on AS2 and given the challenges with deadlines and getting a consensus between the various groups involved in the discussion. My questions and comments are about AP/AS2 in 2023 and beyond rather than 2018.

shoq, to random
@shoq@mastodon.social avatar

I realize it's not a popular topic around here, but I fear there's a storm coming if this catches. No matter how much we true believers see ActivityPub as the best approach to global social media, it does have a number of issues, as we know. Most of the public doesn't care about the big picture. They never really have.

Dorsey-backed Twitter alternative Bluesky hits Android .

https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/20/jack-dorsey-backed-twitter-alternative-bluesky-hits-android/

CartyBoston,
@CartyBoston@mastodon.roundpond.net avatar

@shoq

We need to see as, by definition, the app/activity protocol that subsumes all the other app/activity protocols.

That's exactly the approach the e.g. TCP/IP standards bodies chose and it quietly worked, the telcos and IBM were unseated.

CartyBoston,
@CartyBoston@mastodon.roundpond.net avatar

@shoq DARPA definitely funded development but I think enterprises settled on ethernet-TCP/IP because of their flexible designs, we have that with we just need to flesh some stuff (e.g. identity 😜, scaled moderation) out.

shoq, to random
@shoq@mastodon.social avatar

I'm a bit embarrassed to say that It's been a long time since I caught up with how the @Flipboard is evolving. It's just so well done, and chock full of features and ideas I once criticized it for not having. And now that it's partly integrated with Fediverse, I am seeing all kinds of new possibilities for it. I'm allocating a lot of time next week to studying it more closely, and seeing if it can become the foundation of a really cool curation idea I've been noodling for years.

mike,
@mike@flipboard.social avatar

@shoq @Flipboard Love hearing that, Shoq. Please let me know what you think. We're actively designing the next gen built on so suggestions are particularly helpful right now.

atomicpoet, to fediverse
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

I disagree with those who say “Let’s focus on spreading awareness for Mastodon—not the Fediverse” for three reasons:

  1. Some people hate Mastodon. If they don’t like Mastodon, they should know about options to their liking.

  2. Some people are looking for alternatives to Facebook, YouTube, Instagram—and Mastodon is not the answer for them.

  3. What about developers looking to build novel and new social media? They should know what ActivityPub does.

kidehen,

“Let’s focus on spreading awareness for Mastodon—not the Fediverse” is the headline of a tragic movie that many of us have seen before.

@Mastodon is a popular platform, that offers a nice alternative via its support for (re server-server protocol) and .

alastor8472, to fediverse
@alastor8472@mastodon.online avatar

A thread why I think has potential.

— Decentralized
Like , intents to be decentralized. This means that not Bluesky as a company will be part of it, but others can also join in.

The exciting part is that this is happening on multiple levels: where your data is stored, and how your feed is composed for your timeline.

Note: Right now the devs are working hard on making this happen, while currently everyone invited is on the same server.

alastor8472,
@alastor8472@mastodon.online avatar

@volkris many of the limitations people have with , or the underlying , haven’t been addressed in years. I read very old blogs already pointing it out.

My best bet a new standard comes along that could be adopted, with the necessary work. I do see a lot of opposition against any new protocol, without trying to understand the need (of progress).

I believe Mastodon and ActivityPub are far from perfect, and we should blindly praise it. But that’s just me.

alastor8472,
@alastor8472@mastodon.online avatar

I hope we’ll see more third party apps of devs that worked on their clients also consider as a potential place to earn fame and money.

Who knows in the future we’ll might see some more collaboration between the various decentralized protocols from , , and . It really is hard to predict the future and the relevance of each while all the players are relatively small.

Right now they also seem to cater to specific groups of people.

volkris,

@alastor8472

Yes! I beat the drum that is not so much decentralized as it’s centralized around instances.

It’s federated, not decentralized.

From my understanding of it actually is more decentralized, giving power to users instead of instances.

I’m always critical of the engineering decisions made, pretty much because it’s not what Bluesky seems to have settled on.

In short, and this is uncertain until we learn more about it, Bluesky might be what Fediverse should have been, IMO.

alastor8472,
@alastor8472@mastodon.online avatar

— Protocol and APIs
Even if is still in closed beta for users, the API is already open for usage. And AT is open-sourced. So for developers it’s possible to get started creating new tools or improve the protocol.

I believe the previous posts on discoverability, portable user data, support do algorithms are valid reasons to create a new protocol by .

It doesn’t invalidate used by . But it might indicate a concern on its slow development.

davidslifka, to random
@davidslifka@mastodon.social avatar

We waited a long time for this moment, and it's not here for much longer.

Let's make the most of it.

betterquote,

Can ActivityPub save the internet?

Apr 20, 2023, GMT+8 By David Pierce
https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/20/23689570/activitypub-protocol-standard-social-network

The tech industry is abuzz about a new standard for social networking that is more open, more user-centric, and potentially more powerful than Twitter and Facebook. But we’ve been here before.

For most of the last 15 years, the social web has felt like a settled market — and then Elon Musk bought Twitter

mmasnick, to random
@mmasnick@mastodon.social avatar

I recognize lots of folks here don't trust Bluesky, but I actually find a lot of what they're doing really, really interesting and worth watching, including their experiment with "composable moderation." https://www.techdirt.com/2023/04/20/bluesky-plans-decentralized-composable-moderation/

erlend,
@erlend@writing.exchange avatar

@mmasnick I’m a big fan of what’s happening at

It’s effectively the web3 alternative to . It’s a good North Star for the fediverse to aspirationally build towards.

But I’m only interested in BlueSky insofar as it interoperates with the existing .

And I think they recognize that the the fediverse movement & community would turn on them if they cannibalize the existing network instead of adding to it as a friendly & compatible node.

gabek, to random

In the past week I've

  • Rejected a lump sum of money from an incubator to convert Owncast into a business.
  • Told a person who wanted to sell things to Owncast users, offering me a cut, to go to hell.
  • Shut down an initiative from some "AI" company to offer a version of Owncast with their proprietary "content filtering" to stop people from saying naughty words and showing no-no stuff.

I might not have any income, but I can sure sleep well at night.

lutindiscret,
@lutindiscret@mastodon.libre-entreprise.com avatar

@gabek few months (years?) ago, I wanted to invite you to a ActivityPub community I was building on Matrix.

We are now 250+ and we have tens of official chatrooms for pretty much every AP-based projects (thousands members).

I'm still hoping for you to join and owncast.

https://matrix.to/#/#activitypub-community:codelutin.com

gnulinux, to fediverse German
@gnulinux@social.anoxinon.de avatar

Fediverse-Serie - Foundkey: nicht nur Microblogging

Foundkey ist eine Microblogging-Software, die aber nicht nur Microblogging kann.

https://gnulinux.ch/fediverse-serie-foundkey-nicht-nur-microblogging

Natureshadow,

@caos @gnulinux @caos @Lioh @Kaiteki Über die informatischen Hintergründe von (der soziale Graph,...) und und was die Unterschiede sind.

twipped, to fediverse
@twipped@twipped.social avatar

What are the odds that a load of fediverse implementations only support hacky security-vocab validation methods and would completely break if I used publicKeyPem instead of publicKey on the actor object.

symfonystation, to fediverse
@symfonystation@phpc.social avatar

Scandinavian countries wants to loosen Big Tech's grip on the public debate and the NordicCouncil of Ministers now recommend member nations to go all in on ActivityPub!
https://pub.norden.org/nord2023-004/3-access-to-diverse-and-credible-digital-platforms-and-communities.html

schizanon, to fediverse
@schizanon@mas.to avatar

I'm excited about 's "" which seem to be an enhancement of 's "". The cool part is you can use boolean logic in search terms, and you can also search for terms which works like Mastodon's hashtag subscriptions.

vwbusguy, to fediverse
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

One of my regrets was advising an IT director at a previous employer that wasn't worth pursuing at the time. Granted, this was a few years ago when it was far more "niche", but I was clearly wrong to downplay it.

jtk, to fediverse
bitpickup, to fediverse
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@kevinrns

Just use and you can post and interact with and protocol at the same time. The beauty of the is that not every platform has to do everything.

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