(Painters slowed me down. I'm catching up...patience)
Via InnerCityPress aka Press:
Habba: My client & I wish to pt out Ms Carroll can sit in front of jurors every day. But my client has to choose between attending his mother in law's funeral--
Judge Kaplan: I have ruled. Sit down
Habba: I don't like to be spoken to that why. Please refrain. I am asking for an adjournment for a funeral.
Judge Kaplan: Denied. Sit down
Robbie Kaplan (RK): Plaintiff calls E. Jean Carroll.
RK: Where do you live?
Carroll: In upstate NY in the mountains, in a small cabin.
RK: Why are you here?
Carroll: Donald Trump abused then defamed me and shattered my reputation
Has Mr. Trump continued to lie about you?
Carroll: He lied Sunday, and yesterday.
Habba: Objection - non responsive, and not at issue here.
Judge Kaplan: Certainly relevant to damages. Overruled.
RK: How was your reputation shattered?
Carroll: Yesterday on Twitter I saw, Hey lady, you're a fraud. Previously I was a columnist. Now I'm known as a wack job. People don't write to an advice columnist that's being attacked like this. In the first case, what were your claims?
Carroll: Assault and defamation.
RK: When was the assault?
Carroll: 1996.
RK: How long did the trial last?
Carroll: 2 weeks.
RK: Who cross examined you?
Carroll: Joe Tacopina
Habba: Objection
Judge: Sustained
RK: Where did you grow up?
Carroll: Indiana. My mother was a volunteer for the Republican Party
Habba: Objection, relevance.
Judge Kaplan: Background.
Habba: You ruled no politics
Judge: Fair enough.
RK: How did your parents raise you?
Carroll: Small school house. They had 2 rules: smile and look on the bright side. I wanted to be a writer.
RK: Where'd you go to college?
Carroll: Indiana University. I was a cheerleader.
Carroll: I was nominated for a beauty pageant.
Another Trump lawyer: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Who said that? This is not tag team.
RK: How did you become a writer?
Carroll: After 20 years of negativity, I got my first piece accepted at age 46. I taught gym in Idaho
I was found in the slush pile at Esquire. Then other doors opened. I wrote for Rolling Stone, New York
RK: Did you move to New York City?
Carroll: In 1980 or 1981. I said, I love it here. And I stayed.
RK: How'd you become an advice columnist?
Carroll: Elle gave me a column in 1993. People ask questions, my answers were published. Ask E Jean.
RK: What is this photo?
Carroll: This is me [in a loosely tied tie] Dec 1995
RK: What kind of questions did you get?
Carroll: The comedy and drama of life. Mostly, How do I get my husband to take my showers? And, How do I get my wife to let me get back in bed and off the couch. I had 80% women, 20% men. I broke with the past
Carroll: I was all about taking action. Lead an adventurous life. It was light hearted - but deeply serious. I had a TV show too.
RK: When:
Carroll: 1994 to 1996, then the channel I was on became MSNBC. My channel was started by Roger Ailes.
RK: Did you appear on other TV shows?
Carroll: Yes, GMA, The Bill Maher Show, Anderson Cooper, the shows that were on every day. I could be slotted in for four minutes
RK: How often were you on TV?
Carroll: Often
Habba: Objection - too broad
RK: Most recently?
Carroll: Today Show, weekly, 2015-2016.
RK: Have you written books?
Carroll: 5. A bio of Hunter Thompson. A book of essays. A memoir.
RK: This is "Female DIfficulties." Forgive me, but it looks a little dated.
Carroll: It's from 1983
RK: Put up the Hunter S. Thompson biography.
Carroll: He's the astonish journalist. I wrote it between 1991 & 1992, it was published in 1993. It was extremely well reviewed. The reviewers were all journalists and they all loved Hunter.
9/ Press:
RK: And this book?
Carroll: It's about what women think --
Habba: Objection, vague. What women think --
👉🏼Judge Kaplan: Ms. Habba, when you speak in this courtroom or any other courtroom you'll stand up
Carroll: Women were very blunt, in Alabama and Arkansas & Ohio - they were thrilled to talk to a journalist.
RK: When did you start writing it?
Carroll: 2017. It was published in 2019.
RK: Was Donald Trump initially on your list?
Carroll: No. But I was overwhelmed
10/ Press:
RK: What did you say about Mr. Trump in that book?
Carroll: That we met outside of Bergdorf's... He asked me to help buy a gift. We went to the lingerie department
Judge Kaplan: Ms. Habba?
Habba: Objection. Already determined.
RK: How many pages about about Mr. Trump?
😂Carroll: Nine. Ms. Kaplan, may I have my glasses? They're in my purse. Good luck finding them in that bag
Habba: I object. This goes to the underlying facts.
RK: We can redact it further. They've had this a long time
11/ Press:
Judge Kaplan: I'm advised that the version on the screen is not redacted.
RK: This is what Mr. Trump reacted to.
Judge Kaplan: Ms. Habba, what about that?
Habba: The president denied an allegation on the White House lawn from a reporter.
We can't ask her about the other men, that she claimed assaulted her.
Judge: I don't get what you said but I'm going to sustain it anyway.
Habba: Move to strike.
Judge Kaplan: To strike what?
Madaio: Ms. Kaplan read it.
Judge Kaplan: Mr. Madaio...
12/ Press:
RK: What an excerpt published?
Carroll: June 21, 2019 in NY Mag.
RK: What time of day?
Carroll: The NYT was going to publish an article about the book, that caused NY Magazine to rush it out on Friday, in the afternoon. They jumped the gun
RK: Did the excerpt include the assault by Donald Trump?
Carroll: yes.
RK: Yesterday Ms. Habba talked about a 5 hr interval. Did the except incl a denial?
Carroll: Yes, a denial from the WH
Habba: She is waiving the ability for me to cross examine
RK: Had you told anyone publicly the story about Mr. Trump?
Carroll: No.
RK: Did it factor in, that he was President?
Carroll: Yes. I went ahead and did it.
RK: Did you expect him to respond?
👉🏼Carroll: I thought he'd say it was consensual.
RK: Is that what he did?
👉🏼Carroll: No. He said my false accusation damaged the real victims of sexual assault, that is a lie
Habba: Objection
Judge Kaplan: On what ground? In one word
Habba: She is not a lawyer
Judge Kaplan: Overruled
RK: Have you paid dearly?
👉🏼Carroll: Just about as dearly as it is possible to pay.
RK: What is this document?
Carroll: An announcement by the Office of the Press Secretary.
RK: Move to admit.
Judge Kaplan: Received.
👉🏼Carroll: He said that numerous women had been paid to make false accusations about him and that these women did very well --
Habba: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Overruled.
Carroll: It was untrue. I was not paid.
RK: What about paying dearly?
👉🏼Carroll: He said people like me should tread carefully -
Habba: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Overruled.
RK: What is the context of these statements by Mr. Trump?
Carroll: He's on his way to the helicopter, questions from journalists
15/ Press:
RK: What's this from The Hill?
Carroll: It's partially about me.
Habba: Objection. It's not part of this case.
Judge: Overruled...Jurors, this statement is not part of the application for damages
RK: What's new here?
Carroll: 👉🏼He said, I'm not his type. Meaning, I'm too ugly-
Habba: Objection - speculation.
Judge Kaplan: Overruled. You can cross examine.
👉🏼Carroll: The president called me a liar 26 times. It ended the world I had been living in. I'm in a new world.
RK: What next?
Carroll: I was attacked. On Twitter. On FB. It was a new world
RK: What is this?
Carroll: A FB chat, directed to me.
RK: Do you know the author?
Carroll: No. It was June 21, 2019, at 6:09 pm
RK: What is UCT?
Carroll: Universal time code
RK: What is this?
Carroll: A message on FB. The Monday, June 24, 2019
RK: What does this person say?
Carroll: He talked about how ashamed I should be, I made it harder for the true victims of abuse
RK: Did D Trump say that?
Carroll: Yes
RK: How often do you receive such messages?
👉🏼Carroll: Sometimes 100s a day.
RK: What are the themes?
Carroll: That, You are a liar... You hurt victims... You are ugly. Those are first three.
RK: And your motivations?
Habba: Objection. We were ordered not to discuss
Via Ben Feuerherd:
RK then displayed FB message:
“Your nothing but a liar! Trump did nothing to you! Your only saying this to promote your book! You have to answer to the LORD for your lies! I hope it was worth it.”
Carroll testified: "Well, to have the president of the United States, one of the most powerful persons on earth, calling me a liar for three days and saying I’m a liar 26 times -- I counted them -- it ended the world that I had been living in. And I entered a new world."
Judge Kaplan: Sidebar
[Whispered sidebar ensues, then they're back]
RK: Let's start with messages calling you a liar.
Carroll: This is a Facebook chat. She says, She was not going to ask me for advice.
RK: This asks how much George Soros paid you. Who is he?
Carroll: A rich old man.
RK: Did you pay you?
Carroll: No.
RK: Do you know anyone at the DNC?
Carroll: No.
Habba: I will be addressing this on cross
Judge Kaplan: We'll see. I don't need announcements
👉🏼Judge Kaplan: I make the rulings here.
Habba: I was just --
👉🏼👏🏻Judge Kaplan: Sit down.
RK: How many requests for advice did you get per month?
Carroll: Two hundred a month. Now only eight.
With jury out
Carroll's Shawn Crowley: Ms. Habba has twice now mentioned other men - now she's brought up that Ms. Carroll received funding for this case. That was improper.
👀👉🏼And Mr. Trump has been loudly saying, She got her memory back
22/ Via Orden bc why not reiterate Judge Kaplan's awesomeness:
After Habba says she intends to question Carroll about a topic previously deemed off-limits, Judge Kaplan scolds her again:
"The last I heard, Ms. Habba, I do not need announcements from counsel about what they intend to do."
Habba stared to speak.
Judge Kaplan: “Sit down.”
Judge Kaplan: Ms. Habba?
Habba: They asked her if she had funding, she said no. We know that she had funding.
Judge Kaplan: What about Mr. Trump being vocal in the presence of the jury?
Carroll's Shawn Crowley: We asked about funding from George Soros, not for this lawsuit
Habba: It's Reid Hoffman
Judge Kaplan: I'll consider what you said.
[Leaves bench. The "Trump vocalization" issue not addressed. Yet?
With the jury out of the room, Carroll's lawyer Shawn Crowley is complaining that Trump is muttering loud enough that the plaintiff's table can hear him. Crowley says Trump is saying Carroll's testimony is false and suggesting she has "suddenly gotten her memory back."
They're back.
👉🏼Judge: Before the jury comes in, I'm just going to ask that Mr. Trump take special care to lower his voice when conferring with counsel so that the jury doesn't overhear it.
Jury entering!
[Now Trump whispering directly into Habba's ear]
old but
RK: Ms. Carroll, what is this?
Carroll: My tweet before Mr. Trump's statement. My tweet was about taking a road trip. And this reply hits all the high spot - saying I'm psychologically messed up. And that's ugly and should avoid a mirror. I know I'm old but...
RK: Did any of the messages you received accuse you of being promiscuous?
Carroll: Yes. This email was sent to me, and my publisher and my agent. It made me feel horrible.
28/ Press:
RK: Did you receive some even more upsetting?
👉🏼Carroll: They threatened to kill me
RK: How many threatened violence?
👉🏼Carroll: 100s.
RK: What was 1st time?
Carroll: Around 11:30 that night, I was in cheap hotel on 10th Av. Rm was small, there was no desk, just a board you flapped down. I went to Twitter for brking news.I saw, You lying scumbag - so I went to my Ask E Jean website, lking for support. (more)
😳Carroll: There was a lovely email saying You Go Girl but the next 1 I thought I was going to get shot. I couldn't get the curtain closed. There was a message with a photo of a woman who had obviously been murdered, there was blood on her neck-
Habba: Objection, inflammatory
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Carroll: I hit delete, delete. I couldn't help myself. I went back to Twitter
RK: Did you sleep a lot that night?
Carroll: No, because of the window. I didn't sleep until six or seven in the morning.
RK: What is this?
👉🏼Carroll: A Facebook message to me... "Dishonest treasonous lemmings," it describes how I should die.
[Me: Every perceived enemy of Trump gets the exact same false accusations. Terrorism.]
👉🏼RK: Prior to June 2019 had any reader ever accused you of being a pedophile, or a Satan worshipping Nazi?
Carroll: No.
RK: What's this?
Carroll: A Facebook message, a day after last year's trial.
👉🏼They want me murdered, they say
[On the screen for jurors: a message incl "no lube"]
💔Carroll: I'm sorry that people in this courtroom have to see these images (sobs)
RK: Some of these were posted on public media sites- but the threats of violence were sent to you privately, right?
Carroll: Yes
RK: Why didn't you delete your social media accounts?
Carroll: My favorite journalists are on social media - to not be on it, as a writer, would be oblivion.
RK: Did you ever come to regret coming forward about Mr. Trump in light of these messages?
Carroll: Only momentarily. I'm glad I took action.
RK: What steps have you taken to protect yourself?
👉🏼Carroll: I let my pitbull off his leash. I put in an electronic fence
Carroll: I bought bullets for the gun I inherited from my father. I keep it by my bed
RK: And driving?
Carroll: I pay attention to who's behind me. When I run errands, I look to see who is around. At the grocery I had a filled cart and I see a man in a brown shirt. Back at my home, I realized I left my groceries back at the store.
RK: Do you have personal security with you at this trial?
Carroll: Yes.
RK: Would you like more?
Carroll: I can't afford it.
RK: Do you tell your friends about the threats?
Carroll: No. What can they do? I stay cheery.
RK: Who is Lisa Birnbach?
Carroll: My friend of more than 30 years.
RK: What did you tell, the night in the small hotel room?
Carroll: That I was Fine as wine
36/ Press:
RK: What's this?
Carroll: My texts w Carol Martin & her daughter
RK: Who is Carol Martin?
Carroll: The breakthrough Black newswoman
RK: You told her there were no security concerns - was that true?
Carroll: I didn't want them to worry
RK: Did you promote your book - switching gears, sorry
Carroll: I did 4 TV interviews & 4 or 5 podcasts
RK: What did you talk about?
Carroll: The journalists wanted to hear about Pres Trump. I saw that the bk was not selling -so I tried to talk about it
RK: Were you buoyant, as it said in this interview with Keziah Weir?
Carroll: That's the public EJean
RK: What was this talking tour?
Carroll: There are many tours in New York, Edgar Allan Poe
Judge Kaplan: What about this tour?
Carroll: It was in front of Trump Tower
RK: When did you decide to sue?
Carroll: I was at a party w George Conway. He took me aside. He had an iPad. He explained the diff bw criminal case & civil case. He took me thru the steps. He said he could sugg an atty
Carroll: A day later he sent me a recommendation.
RK: For whom?
Carroll: For yourself, Robbie Kaplan.
RK: What is this?
Carroll: A photo of us waiting to go up to your office to listen to our argument at the 2d Circuit Court of Appeals
RK: What is this?
Carroll: My personal website.
RK: You're posting an article about your case - why?
👉🏼Carroll: Donald Trump keeps lying about me. I want people to know what is happening.
RK: What's this?
Carroll: Me on Rachel Maddow
RK: During the first trial was there a hullaballoo getting in and out of the courthouse?
Carroll: Yes
RK: It was said yesterday that you paid for a documentary-
Habba: Objection.
Judge Kaplan: On what ground?
Habba: That's not what I said. It misrepresents.
RK: Did you ever pay to have a documentary made?
Carroll: No.
RK: What is this?
Carroll: Something Donald Trump put on Truth Social. By then I thought I was rebuilding, I had started a new Substack -
Judge Kaplan: What did you do?
Carroll: This was a statement I made about the last trial.
Habba: Objection - it's the last trial
Judge Kaplan: There are no damages being sought for this. But you may answer.
Carroll: This statement by the president called me a hoax
👉🏼Carroll: I thought I'd get my reputation back after winning the first trial. But Donald Trump went on TV-
Habba: Objection. This is not part of this case
Judge Kaplan: No speeches, just one word. Overruled.
RK: We got interrupted mid-answer.
Carroll: He lied again
Carroll: Right after the trial he went on CNN Town Hall and lied again.
RW: What is this?
Carroll: A Truth Social about me. A video posted by Donald Trump.
Habba: We will be-
👉🏼Judge Kaplan: No announcements.
Habba: Objection, the whole video should be played
Judge Kaplan: No one's proposed anything else.
👉🏼Sit down. This is the transcript.
@GottaLaff , I agree. Great judge. I loved when Habba objected to political content, and he responded "fair enough". He is being amazingly fair. I see nothing that could question his integrity, even if his ruling annoys me. He is correct, to a fault.
RK: What was this posted on Truth Social?
Carroll: The day after the trial.
RK: Let's play it.
🙄🤢[Trump: I have no idea who this woman is... the greatest witchhunt of all time]
RW: Who's the woman Mr. Trump is referring to?
Carroll: Me. And Donald Trump was raising money --
Habba: Objection. That is complete speculation
Judge Kaplan: The answer is stricken.
RW: Let's turn to the Town Hall -
Judge Kaplan: Who much more?
RW: 20 minutes.
Judge Kaplan: We'll break here. 1:45.
Jury leaves.
👉🏼👉🏼Shawn Crowley: The defendant has been making statements we can hear. He said, It really is a con job, it is a witch hunt. Remind him
Judge Kaplan: Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. 👉🏼That right can be forfeited if he is disruptive, which has been reported to me, and if he disregards court orders.
🔥BOOM🔥👉🏼 Mr. Trump, I hope I don't have to exclude you from the trial. I understand you are eager for me to do that. Control yourself.
[Judge Kaplan leaves the bench]
After Trump threw his hands up in the air and said, "I would love it," Judge Kaplan continued: "I know you would," Kaplan said. "I know you would. You just can’t control yourself in this circumstance, apparently."
They're back.
Judge Kaplan: I understand there is an application.
[Me: OMFG. Of course they do. 🤦🏻♀️]
Trump's lawyer Madaio: We move for recusal. Shawn Crowley is a former law clerk, you accepted her representation... There is an atmosphere of hostility.
👉🏼💪🏼Judge Kaplan: Denied. #WompWomp
Imagine how fucked up the classified documents case is going to be under Cannon. She’s not going to do anything to keep them in check. I don’t know how that won’t be appealed during the trial. She’s entirely inept and in over her head.
Now: Jury entering!
Roberta Kaplan: In these four years, there have been times you've felt OK?
Carroll: Oh yes. Buoyant.
RK: Now let's get to the CNN Town Hall.: And this disk, did you sign it?
Carroll: Yes, ECJ. I followed along - the transcript is accurate.
Madaio: Objection, Your Honor.
🔥👉🏼Judge Kaplan: One lawyer per witness and you're not it.
Habba: What rule is that?
[Me: LOVE THIS JUDGE] Judge Kaplan: My order this morning. You heard it
Judge Kaplan: OK you've had the conference and the moment is over. I can't hear you.
RK: We'll come back to this, I don't want to waste the time of the jury.
[Video played, Hawkeye State: Trump says, "Bergdorf Goodman? It's all made up!"]
RK: What happened after Mr. Trump made those statements?
Carroll: There was a flurry of attacks.
RK: Have you gotten used to it?
Carroll: I will never get used to attacks like that.
RK: People congratulated you, & positive media articles- doesn't that repair your reputation
Carroll: No.
RK: Are you better known now?
👉🏼Carroll: By people who think I'm a liar- [Me: She's SO damn quick!]
Habba: Objection, she's speaking about what other people think
Judge Kaplan: Overruled
@Jon_Kramer and I contend, that's part of the reason he targeted and continues to target her. She has to PAY for being smarter than he could imagine being. Not the only man like that. Present company excepted
@Jon_Kramer I don't personally know any people who are the kind of brilliant you refer to, but I've read and seen them on various media. They are few and far between. My answers to those two questions were along the lines of she found out her sister killed their mother for the inheritance (lol too much Agatha Christie) and a real hero would throw their arms around the large man and take them both onto the tracks, saving more folks. I would stand there screaming. sigh it's good to know limits?
@Jon_Kramer ah, well, I understand that. I'm queasy at most moments when it is the topic. I'll tell you, I'm all gut here as to my reaction to him since the first moment I saw him....I'm a survivor and I know/knew in every fiber of my being he was a dangerous predator and a rapist. That's it, that's all. No defense for my reasoning, but I trust it without fail.
@Lizette603_23 I used to teach a sophomore business class, and would use tre45on as an example of an absolute moral failure, back in about 2007. I have seen nothing since to convince me I was wrong.
RK: When did you stop your Elle column?
Carroll: The end of 2019.
RK: Do you still publish a column?
Carroll: Yes, on Substack.
RK: Pardon my ignorance, what is Substack?
Carroll: People can pay to read. I have 21,000 - 1800 of them are paid
RW: Have your Twitter followers increased since 2019?
Carroll: Yes.
RW: Do you make any money from your followers on Twitter?
Carroll: No.
RW: Can you still freelance?
Carroll: The assignments are all about Donald Trump, nothing else
RW: How much do you earn?
Carroll: About --
Habba: Objection, specify the year.
Judge Kaplan: That's a subject for cross examination.
RW: How much did you use to make, versus 2023?
Carroll: $50,000 versus in 2023, 500 thousand, I mean, 500 dollars
RW: Did you post on Twitter?
Carroll: Yes. Dog videos and a Christmas message wishing people care and love.
RW: Did you receive replies? Scroll through them, people will get a sense
["Shut up you chattering skeleton"]
RW: Let's show this--
Habba: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Ground?
Habba: It's prejudicial.
[Me: 😂👉🏼] Judge Kaplan: All evidence is prejudicial against the party it is offered against
RW: Who is this from?
Carroll: Someone called Nebraska Cornhusker, he writes I am a trashy whore and Trump will get back at me
Habba: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Overruled.
RW: Did he post about you yesterday?
Carroll: So I've been told. On Truth Social
Habba: Ms. Carroll you used to live in Montana?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Fair to say it was boring to you?
Carroll: MT is never boring.
Habba: You were deposed 2x by me -let's look. Do you recall saying u & ur 1st husband, the spark was gone - sorry. You said, I came to NY to interview Fran Lebowitz
Judge: Can I get the transcript?
Roberta Kaplan: Your Honor, I don't see the diff
Habba: May I proceed?
👉🏼Judge: No. She just said something. & you haven't provided the transcript
👉🏼Judge Kaplan: Ms. Habba, we're going to do it my way in this courtroom and that's how it's going to be. You tell me the line number and I read it. Then we go from there.
Habba: I was reading --
Judge Kaplan: We are going to take a recess. You will provide me with
💪🏼Judge Kaplan: Do not read it out loud. What line numbers?
Habba: Page 14, 6 through 8.
Judge Kaplan: What are you doing, offering into evidence?
Habba: I'm offering it as impeachment
Judge Kaplan: Those are 2 different things
Habba: She said too different things about Montana
Judge Kaplan: She said it's great and before she said, it's not boring - that's your difference?
Habba: I can ask another question.
Judge Kaplan: That would be a good idea.
Habba: You were a regular at Elaine's, right?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: It's hard to get into, isn't it?
Carroll: No, not hard.
😂⚡️Judge Kaplan: It doesn't exist anymore. That's why it's hard to get into
Habba: Why was it hard to get seated in the front?
Carroll: Elaine choose
Habba: You were a regular & saw Mario Puzo?
Carroll: I saw Woody Allen...
Habba: You were in the first row?
Carroll: 4th table down from the front.
Habba: You were with Esquire?
Carroll: yes
Habba: In 1979 you were making $4000 a piece?
Judge: A piece of what?
Habba: Per article... Didn't you say in 1979 you made $29,000?
Carroll: That's about right.
Habba: It would be bigger to be on the cover?
Carroll: I'd rather be on the inside with a story
Habba: How about a cover story?
Carroll: I consider writing--
Carroll's lawyer: Can we have a sidebar?
Judge Kaplan: OK.
[Whispered sidebar ensues]
They're back.
Habba: When you were on the cover of New York Magazine, how much was the dress you were wearing?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: What's the most you've made annually?
Carroll: $400,000
Habba: That's a lot in today's dollars, right?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection.
Judge: You're going to have to be more specific
Habba: You agree $400,000 in 1995 is about double that today?
Carroll: Maybe.
Habba: You were on TV, too, right? Through 1997? And SNL?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Walk us through your books.
Carroll: Female Difficulties.
Habba: What's the whole title?
Carroll: Sorority Sisters, Rodeo Queens, Frigid Women, Smut Stars and Other Modern Girls
Habba: What's a rodeo queen?
Carroll: You have to ride and rope, out in the West. It is difficult.
Habba: What about Frigid Women?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Sustained
Habba: What about Smut Stars?
Carroll: It's an old term for pornography.
Habba: What did you first tell me?
😂Carroll's lawyer: 👉🏼Objection. No idea what she's doing.👈🏼[Me: Neither does she!]
Judge Kaplan: My order, I said, say how you are using transcripts.
Habba: She was not afraid of porn
Carroll's lawyer: Objection.
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: How did the book sell?
Carroll: It sold all 10,000 copies.
Habba: What was the next book?
Carroll: Biography of Hunter S. Thompson
Habba: Next?
Carroll: Two advice books - a Dog in Heat is a Hot Dog
Habba: How many copies of that bk did you sell?
Carroll: It's still selling today.
Habba: How much in 2023?
Carroll: I don't know.
Habba: & "how a smart woman can land her dream man in 6 wks" - did it do well?
Carroll: It did well, royalties still
Habba: Then Nina Garcia tk over at Elle?
Carroll's lwyr: Objection. Beyond scope.
Habba: Was your salary lowered?
Carroll: Yes. All magzn advertising was down--
Habba: Was your salary changed?
Carroll: Yes. Halved in 2018. From 120K to 60K
@GottaLaff Is this cross or direct? This is clearly establishing high levels of income prior to the defamation, which one would presume means a decline afterward...
Habba; Was that a low point for your career?
Carroll: It was a loss, being halved
Habba: Did you go on TV to promote your newest book?
Carroll: It is my duty as a writer.
Habba: Did you do that on previous books?
Carroll: I went on the Early Show for Mr Right
Carroll: So I went on more TV for that book.
Habba: Was that prime time?
Carroll: No.
Habba: How many men are in What Do We Need Men For?
Carroll: Maybe 60.
Habba: How many times is the word Trump in your book?
Carroll: Once
Habba: And how many times did you say it on TV?
👉🏼Carroll: I didn't like to say it. Usually it was the interviewer
Habba: But you do mention it often, right?
Carroll: I did it here, because that's the topic. On TV, they choose the topic
Habba: Did you mention any of the other men?
Carroll: Several were done in a humorous way
Habba: What does that mean?
Carroll: I tried to get the other stories in
Habba: You went public with your allegations in June 2019, to The Cut of NY Magazine?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: The president's response was 5 hrs after the publication of the Cut?
Carroll: NY Mag went online. They reached out to the WH - we never planned to do it on Fri it's not a good day to release things. But the NYT had it
Habba: Do you know if there is a communications team at the WH?
Carroll: I don't know.
Habba: I represent to you that it does -
⚡️👉🏼🔥Judge Kaplan: You're not going to be representing anything, or you'll be a witness.
Habba: Did you sue over the WH statement?
Carroll: No.
Habba: You're suing over the June 21, 2019 statements, right?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: But you got online responses before P. Trump said anything?
Carroll: Correct.
Habba: 5 hrs?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: Many people called you a liar before the Pres made his statement --
Carroll's lawyer: She's not asking a Q.
Habba: I wasn't finished. It says, "You're a pathetic old hag"
Judge: It's not in evidence.
Habba: I'm trying to get it in
🔥Judge Kaplan: No, we are not going to read out loud a document not yet in evidence. We are going to take a break right here to 3:30 and you're going to refresh your memory about how you get a document in.
@gfjacobs@GottaLaff I think Trump finally got the lawyer he always wanted - a hot chick who will argue the case the way he tells her too. He wants the case to be about how Carroll profited from him, despite every answer not supporting that, yet Habba keeps on this track.
If Habba had independence she would argue that Trump had no direct link to the people harassing Carroll, but that would imply that Trump is not that powerful, & therefore it didn't occur to him.
@GottaLaff This is just embarrassing...or at least it would be for most lawyers. Of course, most lawyers would know to refresh their knowledge of courtroom procedure before appearing before the judge ...
@GottaLaff [NFL] I’ve never seen a judge so clearly pissed at a lawyer. With the resources that DJT has you’d think he’d have better representation. On the other hand, the better lawyers were smart enough to know that they wouldn’t get paid so they didn’t take the case. Clearly, Habba is no Mona Lisa Vito.
@GottaLaff NFL - I would pay actual cash money to watch a compilation of attorneys reacting to this line.
"Judge Kaplan: No, we are not going to read out loud a document not yet in evidence. We are going to take a break right here to 3:30 and you're going to refresh your memory about how you get a document in."
73/ Omg she's a disaster.
Press:
They're back.
👉🏼Judge: Ms. Habba can't use docs that are not in evidence.
Jury entering
Habba: Did you receive Tweets in 5 hrs before P. Trump spoke?
Carroll: I hadn't seen them.
Habba: Were you tagged?
👉🏼Judge: Don't get into content!
Habba: How do you suggest I proceed?
Judge: Show it to her, ask if she recog it
Habba: Do you recog it?
Carroll: Yes.
👉🏼Judge: It's not marked. It should be marked. Do it appropriately. Do it overnight. They. Need. To. Be. Premarked.🤦🏻♀️
@GottaLaff NFL: 99% sure Habba spent yesterday fantasizing about whipping out a sheet of paper from her pocket and yelling something like "THEN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS!!!"
Remembering when she said she'd rather be pretty than smart because you can't pretend to be pretty, but you can pretend to be smart 🙄 Ms Habba....news flash....It Ain't Working!
Habba: Did you anticipate the public would immediately believe your allegations?
Judge Kaplan: Sidebar.
[Whispered sidebar ensues]
They're back.
Habba: So you deleted the messages - then you deleted the trash?
Carroll: I periodically delete the trash. I have an old computer.
Habba: When did you stop deleting?
Carroll: During the second lawsuit, the one that went on in May
Habba: You said you receive death threats daily - but you deleted then until trial? Explain what you mean.
👉🏼Judge Kaplan: Explain what she means by what?
Habba: When did u stop deleting death threats?
Carroll: I had not received how many there were
Habba: Did you receive a subpoena?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: Did you know you had a discovery obligation?
Carroll: They were just replies, slime..
Habba: What about messages in your inbox, did you delete them?
👉🏼Carroll: No. [Me: Nice try, Habba]
Habba: So you have the death threats?
Carroll: I deleted them.
Habba: So you-
Carroll's lawyer: Asked and answered.
Habba: This is a very important question
👉🏼Carroll's lawyer: I object to the commentary too
Carroll: I may have deleted some emails too, I'm not sure
Habba: Did you give them to your lawyers?
Carroll: No.
Habba: Why not?
Carroll: I don't want to upset them
@GottaLaff Whoever graded and passed Habba on the bar exam needs to check if Habba was the one who actually took the exam. This is an incredible display of ignorance on how cross exam should be conducted, if she actually went to law school and took the exam. IANAL
Habba: Do you keep the supporting emails?
Carroll: Yes. I tend to delete questions that I know I won't use. But I have an entire label for supportive messages.
Habba: Do you control your email?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: So only you deleted them?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, are you aware it is illegal to delete evidence?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
🤦🏻♀️Habba: I move for a mistrial, evidence has been deleted
👉🏼Judge Kaplan: Denied and the jury will disregard everything Ms. Habba just said
Oh no. I tossed the Forbes, the foot long, girthy, orange-stained one with the white straps and silver buckles. It smelled like #Trump. Am I in trouble? NFL
78/ Press:
Habba: You stated u were in a cocoon of love, a week after Pres Trump's statement?
Carroll: I did
Habba: So it appears you weren't suffering much, fair to say?
Carroll: No fair. I experienced support and a flood of slime. Both. Both. Both things occurred
Habba: But some was b4 the Pres's statemt?
Carroll: It was from him-
Habba: Based on what?
Carroll: The way they were phrased
Habba: Didn't you say you went off soc med.?
Carroll: Sometimes I take a break, I come back for brking news
👍🏼Carroll: I take a break. One can't live by Twitter alone
Habba: Now you believe these tweets are real and not fake?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: On June 22 Lisa Birnbach texted you - I offer DX 11
Judge Kaplan: Is this already in?
Habba: Yes.
👉🏼Judge Kaplan: Then you don't have to introduce it.
Habba: You said you were confused. 🤦🏻♀️
80/ Press:
Carroll: I did sleep until noon
Habba: So it's not accurate?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: You said you're glad you're not living in Montana anymore?
👉🏼Carroll: If you say so.
Habba: Don't take my word for it. Here it is. You attracted media exposure after you came fwd w these allegations against Pres Trump?
Carroll: Yes. To promote the book I answered about Pres Trujmp.
Habba: Is he the only one you discussed?
Carroll: It's all that asked about
Habba: Could you have mentioned others from the book?
Carroll: I could have. I didn't.
Habba: If you were so damaged, why didn't you stop going on TV?
Carroll: Anderson Cooper was my last. I was done.
Habba: Did you have to accept the appearances?
Carroll: No.
Habba: Didn't you testify you don't like talking about PresTrump?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection.
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: Let's talk about the podcasts -- The Daily, All Ears, MeidasTouch, TrumpCast--
Carroll: Yes.
Arguing Carroll was resilient rather than reclusive after the attack, the truth of which has already been decided, is likely to backfire on Trump rather than help him.
It's already been determined Carroll was a sexual assault victim. Shaming her for coming forward is just bullying at this point.
"If you were so damaged, why ..." is an ugly, baiting, and injurous question, and there is no legal reason to be asking it. Habba is demonstrating how low her morality has sunk.
Here is one of #EJeanCarroll TV appearances. She is talking to Lawrence O'Donnell about when Trump raped her.
Interspersed with the Access Hollywood tape.
Habba: Did you say Trump?
[🤦🏻♀️ she keeps having to ask this] 👉🏼Carroll's lawyer: What does she mean?
Habba: She said she didn't like saying his name. That's a lot of appearances for someone who doesn't want to say Trump
Carroll's lawyer: Objection
Judge Kaplan: Sustained. That's argumentative
Habba: You don't book yourself on TV
Carroll: I don't.
Habba: Who pays for the publicists?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection to form, Your Honor.
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, status is important to you?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: You still want more publicity?
Carroll: I'm pretty much done with it, and with books.
Habba: Are you writing a book with Mary Trump?
👉🏼Carroll: She is writing the book, I'm in charge of the comments. It's Mary's money.
Habba: Whose idea was it?
Carroll: We were talking during the pandemic. Mary put it on Substack.
Habba: Has Mary Trump sued Donald Trump?
Carroll's lawyer: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Habba: Ms. Carroll, have you ever said anything you regretted on national television?
Carroll: Yes -
Carroll's lawyer: Can we have a sidebar?
Judge Kaplan: Yes.
[Whispered sidebar ensues]
They're back.
Habba: Have you deleted text message and not just emails?
Carroll: When I see threats I delete them.
Habba: Can we have a sidebar?
Judge Kaplan: No. 🤣
87/ Press:
Habba: Ms. Carroll have u ever gotten into argumts w Twitter users?
Carroll: Possibly
Habba: But u said u were afraid. Did u get oral threats?
Carroll: Ppl left messages. I didn't answ.
Habba: You deleted them?Carroll: I didn't know u could
Habba: U don't know what the police wd do, do u?
Carroll: I think those who send messages use emails they get off of TOR, the IP address is hidden
Habba: Are u afraid they're going to come to ur home?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: But u never call the police
Carroll's lawyer: Objection, argumentative.
Habba: You have the same phone for four years?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Who is Carol Martin - would you call her a confidante?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: You told her you felt safe?
Carroll: I do, in NYC
Habba: So was lying to Carol Martin appropriate?
Carroll: Yes. Her daughter was scared. So I said I had not received threats.
Habba: So you lied when you said no threats -
👉🏼Carroll's lawyer: Objection. That wasn't the testimony
Habba: You have a gun - do you have a license?
Carroll: No.
Habba: Are you aware that you have to have a licence-
⚡️👉🏼Judge Kaplan: Don't even start.
Habba: Do you have bullets for the gun?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: You live in this state?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Didn't you say u would advise people not to go to H.R.?
Carroll: Yes. H.R. decides cases to benefit the company.
Habba: You did a watch party w Kathy Griffin?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: She held up the severed head of Donald Trump?
Carroll: Yes
Habba: Ms. Carroll, have you ever said you like speaking w me?
Carroll: Yes.
Habba: Is that at some level bc you enjoy the attention?
👉🏼Carroll: I wanted people to know that woman can win. I'm 80. It's not right to try to make women be quiet.
92/ Press:
Habba: Ms. Carroll, you were not quiet in 1980s, right?
Carroll: Right.
Habba: But after 25 yrs you brought this suit against the sitting Pres?
🔥Judge: You're running the repeat key too often, Ms. Habba
Habba: Who is George Conway?
Carroll: He is a lawyer who does not like Donald Trump.
Habba: Has he been on TV these days?
Carroll: I think so. I wouldn't be surprised.
Judge Kaplan: We'll break now.
[As jury files out, Trump leaves too. But the lawyers are staying - there may be more]
@GottaLaff
You have had a long day. Take a break. Thank you very much for your work. We appreciate this very much.
No, sorry. No pie. Perhaps some one else may have one?😆
@GottaLaff@nonproductive
You have certainly earnt it Laffy. That was a big marathon effort.
Well done. Hope Hamilton gave you some well deserved hugs and smooches 🐾
Thank you!
I would be happy to take that pie off your hands if it were real....
I only make that offer because I know it's not real.😂
I am also a magician of sorts when it comes to delicious food that is bad for me.🎩 💫
@GottaLaff Rat Pie? Sorry, I think Brother McCheesbro ate the last Rat Pie. But I've got some delish Rat pudding. How about Rat Cake? We baked extra Rat Cake in honor of the Kraken Lady flipping. It has wonderful Diet Dr Pepper frosting! Yum yum. With covfefe, hamberder and some ketchup tossed on the wall. That beats pie bigly
@GottaLaff LOL sorry about that. How about some humble pie? I have some Habbadabbadoo-pie. It is bitter, with a hint of entitlement, and plenty of fake pretty strawberries - don't eat those! They are decorations, I think they were manufactured in China out of industrial waste :-)
@tomiahonen I'd prefer some Rhubarb pie, heavy on the barbs. It's sharp, leaves a mark, and can result in permanent damage if left unattended. Manufactured by Chef Kaplan.
@GottaLaff And the partial explanation. The Swedish queen of some generations ago, I think this was at time Finland still was part of Sweden, liked the blend of raspberries and blueberries. So the Scandinavian jam makers call their blueberry-raspberry jam blend the 'Queens berry' jam. That is the SECOND best thing after rhubarb. you may have to make your own, I recommend getting the raspberry jam variant without the seeds so seedless one, blend 50/50 with blubbery berries and ... is divine
@GottaLaff SRSLY Laffy, I was about to write to you about the Queen's berry on top of your pie.. as a follow up to Rat Pie (sorry about that) and I was going to END with the honorary berry, Rhubarb. I can't believe you started with Rhubarb. That is such a rare taste, most people say apple pie.. how boring, or pumpkin etc...
@GottaLaff Oh, now that is even sharper. You'll find it mid to late summer at some snobbish restaurants, it is a seasonal treat, perhaps specialist cafe's. Is far more common in Canada, and Northern Europe, but you'll find some. It is REALLY DIVINE, so do taste it, when it suddenly appears some random summer on a random restaurant menu. If you like it, do send compliments to the chef or cafe owner... Cheers
@GottaLaff PS Rat pie and Rat Cake is of course always a tribute to Monty Python's Flying Circus. I have to celebrate any Trumpomobster flips with (very virtual) helpings of Rat Cake or some Rodential cuisine. As we say at our din din table: Rat's up!
@tomiahonen I didn't know the reference! I went to Spamalot years ago, and one of the leads was out, so the understudy was on. I tweeted how disappointed I was (the lead was one of the Seinfeld regular guests). Turns out the understudy saw my tweet and teased me about it! I died. We ended up meeting for lunch and became friends!
@GottaLaff RHUBARB !!! You read my mind. it is the only berry better than Queensberry, which is only berry that tops wild strawberries, which are better than the blubbery berry also known as the blueberry, king of the forest. Rhubarb is also MY fave! So good it SHOULD be a berry!
@GottaLaff I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Habba should have worked a wee bit more on the being smart part of lawyering. The being pretty part is not gaining any headway with Kaplan. 😆 Loved the..."we'll take a break so you can refresh yourself on how to admit a piece of evidence. Oh my god...that's 3rd degree burn from a federal judge.
@GottaLaff No federal judge gives a flying fig if you don't like how they are talking to you. It's their domain. That's why state court lawyers with limited federal experience should stay in state court.
@GottaLaff WOW! That tweet....well...that's special. He needs to go to prison as soon as possible and share a cell with his horrible buddy Flynn!
My Tom Cotton's email is terribly mild in comparison. I taught CRT for many years. In 2020 Tom Cotton emailed and said I was a disgrace and shouldn't be allowed in any academy.
@GottaLaff You know...while it's horrible to be targeted...I got some death threats also though not from Cotton...the thing that keeps me whole is the fact that if they get so riled up, it means I am right. SO I keep pushing as you do as well. Our voices are needed.
@GottaLaff@Snowshadow yes!! Like trying to ask questions that get stricken because she's trying to get some garbage messages in for the jury?? (I know that from TV shows! I thought it didn't really happen! Lol)
@GottaLaff Once again, this is great, and mesmerizing, but honestly, it's a mystery to me what Habba is trying to do. It seems incoherent, unfocused, random. Maybe it makes more sense hearing it live... Maybe not...
@petergleick I think what she's trying to do is obvious, though. She knows this is a loser case, so she's playing to her audience of one, and to his base, and trying to cause a little chaos too, to show how little she thinks the legal system should mean.
@CStamp I never said she was smart. I said she was intentionally stirring things up. To me, that's pretty stupid, but effective with her vile audience. @petergleick
@petergleick Absolutely, but they keep doing that at their trials. Over and over his lawyers piss off judges, or come off amateurish, seemingly not caring what the jury and judge think. @CStamp
@GottaLaff@petergleick@CStamp Has he actually forked over cash? I wasn’t aware he’d paid off any of his recent court awards. I may be wrong, of course.
@GottaLaff I was always under the impression that lawyering and law school were complicated but if that turnip can pass the bar and make a living as a lawyer, maybe I should consider switching careers.
As long as you can force it to link to primary sources, a virtual assistant that autonomously pulls related case studies does a lot of heavy lifting in both law and medicine.
And so long as we only expect executives to talk a good game, LLMs have already beaten them.
@GottaLaff Your coverage of this trial sustains me. I never thought I would want to hear another adversary proceeding as long as I lived. This is giving me, thank God, momentary visions of coming out if retirement. Nah.
@GottaLaff From Wikipedia: "[Habba] has served as lead counsel for three cases.... Habba has also held the position of general counsel for her second husband's parking garage company." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alina_Habba
I usually have sympathy for inexperienced lawyers trying to navigate trial procedure, but... dang, this is not the case to be learning on.
@msbellows@GottaLaff This is how the Federalists are teaching them. One of my former students was captured by the Federalists in the hell state. They are pushing the lawyer to be named as a judge, a position they are not yet qualified for. I asked my former student how they could be a judge when they lacked the experience and expertise. The person said," they told me I could just learn it on the job." I asked "how many lives will you ruin while you are learning?" Crickets.....
@GottaLaff NFL isn’t Habba the one who answered the question “would you rather be pretty or smart?” as “Pretty! I can fake being snart!” To which I would respond…. I don’t think so, sweetie.
@666k9s It is. Because having strangers tell her she's a lying slut and issuing threats against her is something any sane person would choose, on top of losing job opportunities unless talking about something most would want to put behind them. It seems to be his new defence these days: I did it, so what, no one was harmed, everyone came out ahead, so I actually helped them succeed. @GottaLaff
@CStamp Standard child abuser response when they can’t say it didn’t happen anymore. “Your success | survival is because of what I made you by doing this to you.” Literally archetypal.
Carroll should muse aloud that she thought about pasting her face on a picture of a space suit sized for someone half her size and selling it as an #NFT like #DonaldRottecrotch... erm... #Trump, the defendant, I mean... butt thought better of it.
I'm guessing Habba is going to try to demonstrate that after Trump started telling his supporters to harass her, that her career took off and ergo no harm was done.
It's the same thing with the NY fraud case. Trump's main defense there is "I made money and the banks made money, so who cares if we lied on a few forms."
Amazing that money is literally the only thing in the universe some people can even comprehend as having value.
@1dalm@gfjacobs@GottaLaff Trump has long had the view that any publicity is good publicity, so him making her more notorious among his followers was really doing her a favor.
@GottaLaff More disastrous than I had expected - Habba only got what, 2-3 perfunctory questions out of the way before she started screwing up, causing the judge to call a recess?
@GottaLaff Dutchman living in France here. Love what you're doing in general, and this thread in particular is A1 entertainment. Love from the Limousin!
@GottaLaff nfl . How the hell is it not possible to prove that he fundraisers off of this nonsense? He sends out emails and asks for money right after every manufactured slight.
@Pourroy@GottaLaff They are not related, as has been reported numerous times in relation to this trial (which is why I'm not finding a link in support)
@GottaLaff Curative instruction time! Judge Kaplan can admonish Trump, and when the jury returns, advise that they are to ignore anything he says/does when he's sitting at the table and not testifying.
@GottaLaff (for Laffy to comment if time permits) IANAL but this thread seems to me that Habba is way out of her league trying to object in Kaplan's court. Ignoring previous rulings, trying to re-litigate, etc. Being told to sit down is being treated as an out of control child would be. Seems to be a losing strategy in front of the jury.
I hate to keep picking on Habba, but she's the gift which keeps on giving. I've never seen so many overruled objections in such a brief period of time.
Again, a seasoned litigator would know when to stop. Habba is not going to shake Roberta Kaplan (who does know what she's doing) from her examination, so her futile objections only serve to make her look bad, and like she has something to hide.
@CarlG@GottaLaff performing for an audience of one. Trump only respects bullies. That a competent judge won't tolerate it doesn't stop the performance. And, Trump can't hire good lawyers anymore because he already stiffed them all, now he's left with the dregs, looking to increase their profile.
@CarlG@GottaLaff I'm almost sad for Habba. She's anchored her boat to a sinking island becasuse she thought it was the chance of a lifetime to make her name. She's made her name, but not in the way she thought she would.
@CarlG@GottaLaff It makes more sense to me if her intent is to make Trump supporters even more prejudiced against judges, courts and the law
Trump isn’t actually trying to win these court cases. He's trying to weaken the rule of law and get his followers to stop respecting the courts and the laws
@peterbutler@CarlG@GottaLaff
They already don't respect the courts or laws. Look at the J6 defendants who have completed their sentences...they're back out acting like celebrities after fooling the courts into short sentences because they were 'sorry.'
@GottaLaff
She got really spanked by the judge (deservedly so). And you know, she's just doing exactly what Trump (great legal mind, and all, the GREATEST, really...) insisted she do. I don't think even she's bad enough of a lawyer to think otherwise.
@GottaLaff
I find it absolutely horrifying that Trump's lawyers are all so incredibly disrespectful to judges.
Who the hell do they think they are?
Lawyers. Don't. Talk. To. Judges. That. Way.
They've all crossed a rubicon. They've all taken on Trump's strategy that laws and rules don't apply to him.
And it's quite chilling.
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