It can be done right: local only connections (no cloud), segmented vlan for iot devices with strict firewall rules, Internet access blocked for anything that doesn’t need it, etc.
Unfortunately that takes a lot of knowledge and effort. The cloud based devices that phone home every few minutes are preconfigured and just work, so most people will just use that and not think about it.
If you’re worried about the devices themselves that’s why there are radio protocol standards that decidedly don’t use the internet, like zigbee, z-wave, and now matter.
The communication method isn’t relevant to its security. If you are a house in the suburbs, a WiFi device in your house you isn’t going to be hacked directly by someone wardriving. The wifi device is going to be hacked by someone coming in over your router which is cat 5/6 Ethernet.
Similarly any other wireless device like zigbee will be hacked over the Internet. The packets will come through your zigbee gateway just like they go through your wifi gateway.
You always want a light on when someone enters a room? Always, no exceptions?
Sometimes I go in the kitchen and I don’t want all the lights in my face. Other times I need the extra light. Until home automation can read my mind, a physical switch is easiest.
I had a pair of physical switches that were motion sensing in my last house basement. Very handy for coming down with a laundry basket and having the lights turn on when going over to the washing machine. No connection to the Internet at all.
Home automation is so far beyond just “motion -> light”.
I have profiles of profiles for different reactions based on time of day and different conditions. The only light that comes on no questions asked is the kitchen light and even that is dependent on the time of day – IE at night it only turns on to 50%. You’d be amazed at how much you can simply with a few different conditionals and not much else. Highly implore you to head over to the Home Assistant page/wiki/forum/community/subreddit – its a VAST community.
I miss my android notification LED so I just went ahead and built my own little LED box based on WLED and HA. The app on my phone sends the notification conditional to the HA server in my basement which then sends the signal to the WLED fixture over WIFI to change colors and patterns. When notifications go back to zero the pattern returns to normal. Did i mention the change over takes 30 seconds? No jarring vibrations, sounds, or signals. It’s all just smooth and silent. I love it.
I’ve got some home automation. I wrote my own stuff with a lcars style javaScript front end. Home Assistant couldn’t do what I wanted when I last looked at it 5 years ago.
Sometimes you want light and sometimes not despite the time of day. Then there’s my wife who usually wakes up much earlier and has vastly different preferences on light. So 2am means me with lights at full blast because I’m up late working on a project or no to dim lights if it’s wife waking up for some water or she wants brighter lights to unload the dishwasher. I turn lights on full while making breakfast for the kids. Kids don’t like light when they first wake up so I turn them down after breakfast is on the table and I go wake them up.
“Never touching a switch” isn’t possible without mind reading and knowing the context.
You’re just thinking so small. Program up a macro button if you want to flip a switch and have it do so much more. Put that button right where you want it. I’m building a headboard with an integrated his/her reading light and each side is going to be a momentary, backlight push button with varying intensity based on time of night.
Home assistant, tasmota, zigbee, valetudo and some bluetooth stuff work very well for a secure IoT setup. Only smart stuff connected to the internet is the TV. Haven’t found anything to replace it’s functionality, maybe some HTPC would work, but that’s a project for another time.
Car enthusiasts: Check out this list of mods that’s so long it’d need legal paper to print out. I even have stickers with the chassis code on it and a Japanese license plate on the front so you know it’s JDM.
If I could make my Model S a “dumb” car, I would in an instant. As it is, retrofit-electrifications are still really clunky, infinite pits of expensive despair.
I have a 2012 Civic and a 1997 Prelude and my favorite thing about both of them is the lack of distractions. The Civic gives you a radio and tells you the MPG. The Prelude doesn’t even shift your gears for you lol (it’s also missing a radio but that’s low on the list of repair/maintenance priorities)
I really am dreading the day both of those cars die and there are no cars from before ~2014 left to buy anymore. I really hope dumb cars make a comeback the way dumb phones kind of have. I’d love to see Toyota build the 1993 Camry again.
Oh and when I poke fun at enthusiasts, I’m including myself. I really thought about buying a Japanese style license plate with the BB6 chassis code on it. Until I realized that I’d cringe if I saw that in the wild and so used my better judgment.
As the owner of a German car from 91 with the wide license plate mount molded into the bumper; The urge to get a sauerkraut plate with something car-nerdy on it is strong, but I’m still resisting, for now.
This seems… reasonable…? They’re not telling you not to do this. It’s a safety measure in case 1. You either fat finger the tip screen and don’t realize it or 2. You write a $5 tip on your receipt and the waiter rings it up for $50. It probably triggers after 25 or 30% on a tip. Who cares?
I don’t really get a lot of people on this website. This is just a good faith, consumer friendly security check email and people will still read it and find a way to feel morally superior about it
I don’t understand why credit cards are secured so badly in the states. Here you can’t adjust a charge after it has been confirmed (plus you usually have to enter a pin whan swiping the card if the amount is over a certain threshold).
Kind of related: when my family went to the US for vacation and we ate at some restaurant, the waitress came with the bill, my dad said something like “make it $x”. When she sait to just write in the tip on the bill and my dad told her that won’t work she insisted that thats how it always works (which tbf it probably does for american customers). Sure enough when we checked the card statement later on they just took out the original amount, not the tip writen in.
Server here, usually with restaurant Point of Sale systems the transaction isn’t sent to be processed by the financial institution until the ticket is closed out. (Presumably because tipping culture 🙄) I don’t blame your server for not putting her tip on there, if you get caught without sufficient ass-covering (having the guest initial the tip field is what I usually did) that’s a fireable offence.
Huh? There so so many protections with cards. All of my cards can very easily do a charge back and they’ll fight the charge with the retailer, not you. You only use a PIN for debit cards using a debit transaction because it’s a direct transfer, resulting in no card fees, very much the same as cash. No real credit cards have a PIN.
Edit: ah, I see they weren’t talking about American credit cards. My mistake! Interesting to learn that other countries do though.
I have always been very confused about whether the tip line on the receipt in the US works with my British cards given that I enter a PIN into a terminal that doesn’t show that tip amount.
As of last year I’m pretty sure the tip is deducted from my card, but I don’t think that has always been the case. I understand it works based on PIN-authenticated pre-authorisation for a higher amount and they later take your tip+bill from that pre-authorisation.
It doesn’t seem very secure but the US always seems behind on card security.
When I first started travelling to the US for work restaurant staff were always extremely confused about why my card needed a PIN. They often tried again and again or said my card wouldn’t go through, then worked out that it needed a PIN. Lots of places then had no way to hand you the terminal to enter it, like they would have to push aside mountains of junk to get the terminal out, or invite me round to the other side of the bar because it’s literally screwed down.
Not sure why you weren’t billed for the tip in your story. Having to write the tip amount down on the tip line of the bill is 100% how it always works in the US. You may have written it on the customer copy of the receipt, perhaps.
It’s because unlike with american cards you have to confirm the transaction on the card reader while it shows you the amount (with either a pin or signature in some cases). After you confirmed it the transaction cannot be changed, i.e. the tip cannot be added. So the american way of tipping does not work with foreign cards.
A friend of mine got fucked by a local pizza place after the waitress changed a tip by adding a comma and a few zeros.
Pizza place refused to refund, credit card company wouldn’t cancel the transaction because it was too large. We had to start a social media campaign to shame the place into refunding him. They turned a $15 tip into a $1,500 tip.
In about half of the states, that meets the threshold for a charge of felony theft. If they could count the full $1500 as a theft, (instead of $1485), it would qualify as felony theft in all but six states.
I don’t know enough about the legal side to know if it could be pursued as theft though.
What credit card company? That seems like such blatant fraud.
Once my friend put total in place of tips. He was very drunk that day. He went over next day to talk to them and they obviously fixed it. That seems like common sense to me.
Yeah the argument itself is so transparently dumb that no legitimate person would hold it; and I think the dunk tweet is pointing out that in addition to having no good argument, Amazon thinks we’re too stupid to notice the astroturf.
There are people who genuinely believe this, sadly. I’ve encountered them here where I live in South Dakota where we’re propagandized against unions from a very young age. These are people who would easily fall for obvious astroturfing like Darla above. It’s one reason I think basic tech and media literacy are so important.
Not defending Hamas or the IDF here Fuck both. This conflict was planned by both sides to galvanize support for their respective “governments”. Civilians are currency to both regimes it’s just a different exchange rate.
Hamas charter excerpt.
16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
As it turns out, the majority of folks are just people trying to get by, and if you're nice enough to them, they'll be nice enough to you.
The problem with most terminally online people is that their social lives ended when they left school, which is when the population of arseholes is at its highest. Everybody is trying to impress everybody else, even at the cost of others.
But a lot of those same people tend to chill off as they mature into adults and become less self-centred. There are still absolutely arsehole adults, but nowhere near as many as the terminally online expect there to be.
What a fucking pant load. You’re so full of shit, it stinks.
the majority of folks are just people trying to get by, and if you’re nice enough to them, they’ll be nice enough to you.
Bullshit. The majority of people want to dominate everyone not in their immediate social circle. Go look up social dominance theory - it will tell you everything you need to know about how people really behave.
The problem with most terminally online people is that their social lives ended when they left school, which is when the population of arseholes is at its highest. Everybody is trying to impress everybody else, even at the cost of others.
But a lot of those same people tend to chill off as they mature into adults and become less self-centred. There are still absolutely arsehole adults, but nowhere near as many as the terminally online expect there to be.
And what magical fucking force forces people to “chill”?
They don’t. Because that magic doesn’t fucking exist. Only the trauma of punishment makes people stop abusing others. Without the threat of permanent injury on themselves, people will always try to permanently injure others as a means to dominate and control - at least for the sake of their social groups. That desperate need to dominate and control is what makes them human.
You are spreading self-aggrandizing lies; spreading an infection that will only cause more people to get more “uppity” and beat more innocent people to death. Stop lying about people and apologizing for their bloodlust. People are murderers, hunters for the only “game” still left - forcibly isolated human beings.
I wasted my entire life being kind to people, only to mock me for being so stupid, so gullible enough to fall for the con that they would be nice back. They beat me like they were mining for ore, driving blow after blow into my skull until it was permanently disfigured, and then they broke every bone in my limbs until they didn’t work anymore.
Don’t give me this horseshit about how people “chill out” - I did not get almost murdered over fifteen years by people who would simply magically stop being murderous because some timer ran out. No, those motherfuckers murdered as if it was a fucking religious mandate and they are the same type of assholes who tried to take over the U.S. on January 6th.
No one is ever going to acknowledge my humanity, no matter how kind I am, or what I do. I will always be seen as a “less than” because the ENTIRE human race are malignant narcissists - and there is an entire organization of psychologists and sociologists who reject the pro-human narrative and know exactly how evil people really are. Quit apologizing for rapists and murderers.
I don’t necessarily agree with your aggressive tone but I do agree with a lot of what you’re saying, this from someone who was treated like complete shit as a young adult, shit enough to leave me with trauma and a really bad fear of people.
I’ve seen what the worst side of people while being a soft kind and caring person. Anyone who believes what the other person said is pretty naive.
Unfortunately the aggressive tone is necessary to survive. If you give anyone an inch, they will interpret that lack of aggression as “weakness” and double-down on the assault, “going for the kill” in other words. The only way to keep the wolves at bay is to constantly lash out at their snout with something sharp; failure to do so and the pack lunges in.
What does that look like to you? People are talking to you right now. I know that no one has said “you are a person” but what specifically do you want?
Unless you were literally raised by wolves this is some self aggrandizing incel bullshit.
Coming up with an theory of the world that confirms that you are right and everyone else is terrible is lazy. I don’t think you’ve ever actually cared about anyone but yourself.
You’re talking at me, lying to me and trying to dictate reality to me. You don’t respect me an an equal person - you think of me as an infinite “less than” that you need to dominate with your lies.
Unless you were literally raised by wolves this is some self aggrandizing incel bullshit.
I was raised by some of the most abusive people on the planet - enough to be jailed today - and surrounded exclusively by abusive peers.
I don’t think you’ve ever actually cared about anyone but yourself.
I did care, but you assholes taught me that caring about people who wanted me dead was a suicide pact. No one ever cared about me - not my parents, not my childhood peers, no school faculty. You motherfuckers demonstrated over fifteen years that my caring would be actively mocked as “stupid” and “retarded” and that I would be punished until I was capable of physically breaking my punishers. You all did that - not me. You all made sure no one would ever care about me, even going so far as to kill yourselves to guarantee it. You are quasi-religious zealots, dedicate to the cause of hate.
Humanity compulsively mirrors the behavior of other people, in order to be accepted by their peers. They have neurons dedicated to this mirroring. Furthermore, people compulsively fight and kill anyone who isn’t exactly like them - which is why my life is in danger, and why there are genocides.
This results in humanity constantly working to be exactly like one another - both to be accepted, and to avoid being killed. People who fail to do so do not survive, leaving only those who are almost exactly like one another.
Not to mention that asserting that people aren’t equal is simply bigotry. The only people who don’t think any person is representative of the whole of humanity are white supremacists.
Do you mean murder literally? Like you think if anyone saw you they would literally stab you with any sharp object near by? Or are you taking about a social pressure and systematic oppression that wears you down slowly over time?
Technically both, but they prioritize domination - which includes that “social pressure and systematic oppression” you mentioned. They will kill me, but only because I refuse to be dominated, refuse to submit to my own oppression.
Furthermore, people compulsively fight and kill anyone who isn’t exactly like them
Citation needed. How is there any diversity at all in the world? Not everyone is exactly the same.
The only people who don’t think any person is representative of the whole of humanity are white supremacists.
A sample size of one or a few is never totally representative of billions. Do you think everyone in the world is exactly like Greta Thunberg? People have a huge variety of values and personalities, you can’t boil everyone down to a charcuterie of the particular people you grew up with.
A sample size of one or a few is never totally representative of billions
My sample size is in the thousands - more than that if you include everyone who has participated in a genocide. Even more if you include every bigot.
People have a huge variety of values and personalities
And none of them mean jack shit. You’re bringing up meaningless drivel to support your weak-ass argument.
you can’t boil everyone down to a charcuterie of the particular people you grew up with.
The problem - confirmed by my therapists - is that there were exactly zero samples of anyone contrasting.
A society capable of keeping such people away at all can do so indefinitely. So it doesn’t matter if they ever existed or not - people will keep them away from me forever, simply because they could not live with themselves if they fail.
You’re taking about all of humanity, not just people who have committed genocide. Not everyone on earth has committed genocide.
My sample size is in the thousands - more than that if you include everyone who has participated in a genocide. Even more if you include every bigot.
Are you only including bad people in your sample? Obviously that would end up skewing the sample towards people being bad. Have you heard of the term representative sample in statistics? That’s how I’m using it.
The problem - confirmed by my therapists - is that there were exactly zero samples of anyone contrasting.
I’m sorry you haven’t met any non terrible people. I’ve met plenty. I hope you can meet some more people to change that.
But anyone at least supports genocide, at least theoretically.
Are you only including bad people in your sample?
Not intentionally, but the whole point is that 1) a random sampling obtains no “good” people 2) a thorough search also fails to turn up these mythical “good” people.
I hope you can meet some more people to change that.
The people I’m surrounded by would never allow that. They are willing to commit genocide to make sure the people they control stay in control.
What do you mean by genocide? What does it mean to support it? The only genocide I’ve been alive for that I know of is the current one against the Uyghur Muslims. Am I supporting that one?
Does fucking no one read a history book on this planet?
I’m referring to all of them ever waged. I’m referring to the fact that people practice genocide - and have become quite good at it for practicing it so often.
No it isn’t. Both the people blaming you for things before you are alive are wrong, and you blaming me for things before I was alive are wrong. Both are wrong because they were blaming people for things they couldn’t have effected.
No, I’m not a happiness addict. Happiness is not the goal - it’s the failure state. Happiness means I’ve become an abusive monster, like you.
You believe that people have killed themselves to make your life worse? I don’t want to sound mean, but you aren’t the only person.
I know. They’ve done the same to and for other people. Bigotry affects millions of people - I’m simply an equal one of those affected.
I’m simply trying to convince people that I"m an equal one of them, but their bigotry makes them refuse to accept that - just as it does to the equality of many others. The only difference between me and other victims of bigotry is that I don’t belong to a group.
Happiness is not the goal - it’s the failure state. Happiness means I’ve become an abusive monster, like you.
That’s a wild take man. Like what are you talking about? Can you tell me exactly what I’ve done to be an “abusive monster”? Could you elaborate on how happiness is only the result of being abusive?
Happiness is like a drug; it is addictive, and “taking” it loses effectiveness over time. This means every person needs to do more extreme things to achieve the same happiness. Eventually, they need to start abusive others in order to achieve the same “high”.
You may not be actively abusive yet, but you have to quit cold-turkey and run directly away from happiness in order to avoid the grip it will gain on you.
I’m going to disagree with you. I have found it takes less to make me happy as I get older. Moreover, my happiest moments are those where others are happy. I take no pleasure in harming others and I don’t believe that’s a unique perspective.
I think your coping mechanisms have made your life more difficult.
I think your coping mechanisms have made your life more difficult.
By definition that’s not possible. Unless you’re accusing me of being incompetent; correct exercise of coping mechanisms cannot make life more difficult because they’re engineered as a ratchet.
It is common to develop a drug or alcohol addiction as part of a coping mechanism. That can absolutely make your life more difficult. Coping mechanisms can make it more difficult to make changes that will better your life.
The path of least resistance isn’t always the easiest path.
People’s reactions to my choices make my life more difficult, and that’s why they are good. They can choose not to make my life more difficult; they instead make the immoral choice. My choice is moral and therefore the only one I can really make.
It’s interesting that any pushback you is evidence you are correct. It’s also interesting that you take no responsibility for any difficulties you might experience, it’s always the result of someone else’s choice.
I take responsibility for things I have actually done wrong. The problem here is that people conflate their out-of-control feelings with factual incorrectness. I can’t be responsible for your feelings, especially when you go out of your way to feel things in bad faith to blame me for those feelings. It’s your responsibility to not allow your feelings to affect your judgment in any way.
You don’t actually care about me being truly responsible - you just want me to be stupid enough and submissive enough to accept responsibility for things I have no duty to be responsible for. You want me to be responsible for your feelings that you have in bad faith, so you can justify “punishing” me arbitrarily.
Right now, a third of the U.S. - the white supremacy movement - has openly announced their desire to kill off at least another third of the U.S.
But, for some reason, those same people will refuse to kill me - despite some of them being the exact same people who beat me up in grade school?
They’re murderers, dipshit - they don’t make exception for anyone - not even their own.
And the only reason the other two thirds aren’t actively killing me is because they know the other third will - and they plan to help them kill me.
Also, “out to get” is your bullshit framing base on your laziness. It’s actually opportunism - but that still leaves me dead, and doesn’t excuse their behavior - or yours.
Finally, you still haven’t addressed the fact that you positively, provably manipulate your own emotions in bad faith to create a justification for abusing me.
Exactly how have I abused you? You keep claiming that, but all I’ve done is talk and notice that you have some views that aren’t very healthy or stand up to scrutiny.
a third of the U.S.
You believe that 1 in 3 people would support a racial genocide? Do you have any support for that?
Following that up you claim that everyone wants to kill you. Doesn’t that seem a little paranoid to you?
No one here is attacking you or threatening your life. No one. People aren’t insulting you, even though you are insulting everyone. Your world view is being questioned because it doesn’t seem healthy or rational. People aren’t saying “I think you are wrong” because they hate you and want you to “submit” but because you appear to be very unwell.
I know that my life improved when I changed my outlook, and I think you are clinging to unhealthy views because it makes it easier than trying to better yourself.
Exactly how have I abused you? You keep claiming that, but all I’ve done is talk and notice that you have some views that aren’t very healthy or stand up to scrutiny.
What you done is act in bad faith - your “talk” is spreading lies, you don’t gave a shit about my health or about honesty.
You believe that 1 in 3 people would support a racial genocide? Do you have any support for that?
Have you seen the fucking news over here lately? The entire Republican Party is clamoring for secession and genocide.
Following that up you claim that everyone wants to kill you. Doesn’t that seem a little paranoid to you?
That doesn’t matter. And to be precise, what they want first is to dominate me, to make me their slave. They only want to kill me because I openly refuse to obey them - which makes them look weak.
No one here is attacking you or threatening your life. No one.
Yes they are - they are a threat simply be knowing I exist. People refuse to control their own behavior; people’s behavior is only controlled externally. Bullies don’t stop their own bulling behavior - they have to be punished to stop them, but bullies stopped being punished long before I was born. So now everyone is a bully, and everyone is out of control.
People aren’t insulting you, even though you are insulting everyone.
Every contradiction is an insult. Who they fuck are they to contradict me when I’m the only one here who ever bothered to do the hard work of learning anything?
Your world view is being questioned because it doesn’t seem healthy or rational.
According to the unhealthy and irrational human species. Uh huh.
People aren’t saying “I think you are wrong” because they hate you and want you to “submit” but because you appear to be very unwell.
Again, judgment from the same bullies who called me names my entire childhood. Can’t you see why their judgement would be held in doubt?
Quit pretending people act in good faith. They are liars down to the bone, and I’m sick and tired of you defending them.
I know that my life improved when I changed my outlook, and I think you are clinging to unhealthy views because it makes it easier than trying to better yourself.
First, I have spent my entire life bettering myself. Second, bettering myself is far easier that defending myself against assault. Third, you don’t actually want me to truly better myself - the “bettering myself” you want is for me to be more gullible, more submissive. I’ll never believe anyone’s bullshit, and you’ll never get me on my knees. I will resist you until I die.
Finally, your life only got “better” because you chose to be delusional - which then exported the cost of living onto other people. Other people now suffer because you chose to believe lies.
You’re talking at me, lying to me and trying to dictate reality to me.
Let’s say someone actually wanted to help you. Let’s say they truly believed that going outside and interacting with people in person would do you good. How should such a person express their feelings and try to help while acknowledging you, respecting your humanity, and treating you as of equal value as a human?
They wouldn’t last long enough - they’d be murdered, or at least disabled, by the other narcissists in society. Such a person would be an obvious “freak” and face the exact same “punishment” as I have faced my entire life - except they don’t have the experience that I do, and fall for one of their cons. That’s when they’d be killed.
Narcissists rule this planet with an iron fist. There is no escape, and no effective counter.
I don’t want you to talk to me - I want you to listen to me and internalize what I teach you. Saying anything back is simply the petulant resistance of a child that won’t eat their vegetables.
Why would I? All you’d do is tell me lies, or otherwise speak in bad faith with intent to harm.
Is there nothing I could say that would convince you that not everyone is trying to kill you?
NO! The entire goddamned point is that I refuse to be dominated by you - that includes my mind. My mind is off limits - ONLY I can change it. Every attempt anyone else makes to change it is interpreted as an attempt to brainwash - equivalent to assault.
Only actions matter - but the time to act was over forty years ago. Waiting until I am the edge of death to act is itself an act of bad faith.
If there’s absolutely nothing I can do to convince you, it isn’t a logical argument you’re going with. It’s a philosophical or emotional one. Logical evidence based arguments would change if compelling contrary evidence was provided.
The problem with telling you is that it helps you fake the evidence. I have to assume that once I tell you, everything you give that looks like that evidence must be assumed to be faked.
Evidence can exist, but human beings are too dishonest to present it. Human beings cannot be trusted - and humanity’s history of dishonesty is all the proof I need for that. I will never trust human beings, as a moral compunction.
So no one can tell or show you anything to change your mind? Then we’re back to where we started with a philosophical or a moral position rather than a logical one.
Then it’s a moral one. It’s morally wrong to give human beings an inch - especially when it’s practically guaranteed that they use that inch to abuse someone else.
humanity’s history of dishonesty is all the proof I need for that.
Also, history books and discussion is more about grand state actors and conquests, not the everyday kindness and selflessness. It’s usually the norm, so not noteworthy to history.
This is how I act in response to other people’s abuse. How will you ever learn not to abuse me if I don’t punish you myself? No one else will do it.
The fact is, it doesn’t matter how I act - you made up your mind to hate me as soon as you found out I exist and crammed me into your “other” pigeonhole. Your reactions are now completely detached from my behavior, and you’ll treat me like shit no matte how kindly I treat you, simply because you now assert I’m infinitely “less than” you. This is how you protect your fragile ego.
Why are you acting like these people here replying are your direct abusers?
Because not only is there nothing stopping them from doing the exact same thing my abusers did, those same abusers will force them to do it, or kill them if they resist. The entirety of society is a hierarchy of abuse - that’s it’s purpose, and enforced with an iron fist if necessary.
Do you not see how insane these words you are saying are?
Bullshit. It’s not “insane” - you’re just fucking ignorant and mentally lazy. You’re an enabler, pure and simple.
I’m sorry your life has been hard and seemingly full of abuse
No you’re not - as a human being, you’re not capable of being sorry for events that you ultimately benefit from. My social isolation clears the way for you - I cannot compete against you for resources because of being ostracized.
we are not those abusers.
You can’t not be those abusers, because you don’t have an alternate source from which to learn other behaviors. Your parents, and everyone of their generation were abusers too - and killed off everyone who wasn’t. No one is left alive to teach you how to not be abusive - that’s why exactly 100% of the people I grew up with abused me; the people who would have supported me are dead.
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I think you need to talk to someone and try and gain a new perspective. People aren’t inherently mean, and generally aren’t thinking about much other than themselves. People do “chill” as they get older and realize a lot of things really don’t matter in the long run.
Go find a team sport or a hobby with other like-minded people and focus on building a community of friendship and support. Your life is too short to not spend it being happy.
No, I don’t. My perspective is the correct one, and your bullshit is simply propaganda you’re gullible enough to be fed.
I will not believe anything else - especially if a lying human being sells it.
Finally, there ARE NO LIKE MINDED PEOPLE TO ME!!! The entire fucking problem is that you idiots sacrificed your minds for your happiness drug. I don’t want your “happiness” - I want moral integrity, and you want to kill me because that’s what I chose.
I sincerely wish I understood how someone can get to your point. I wish I could see this as some elaborate troll, but I can’t help but see this as something so much darker. I won’t recommend anything to you, as it’s pretty clear any effort to help is seen as an insult, at best. Just know that there are genuinely people who see reactions like this and wish they could help.
I will not believe anything else - especially if a lying human being sells it.
The way that everyone else seems to be getting along normally in their lives, maybe even having fun reading through this thread, while you’re getting angry and “shouting” reminded me of a line from The Count of Monte Cristo, where the count is trying to persuade a similarly unhappy person of the existence of a god.
‘No,’ said Caderousse. ‘No, I do not repent. There is no God, there is no Providence. There is only chance.’
‘There is both Providence and God,’ said Monte Cristo. ‘The proof is that you are lying there, desperate, denying God, and I am standing before you, rich, happy, healthy and safe, clasping my hands before the God in whom you try not to believe and in whom, even so, you do believe in the depths of your heart.’
Which is not to say that it’s a good argument; it’s actually pretty bad.
“Look at how fortunate I am to believe in my thing, and how unfortunate you are to believe in yours” when their beliefs are totally incidental.
But rereading it made me think about how little it matters about whose perspective is “correct” about something like that. To put it simply, there are plenty of “good people” in the world and there’s also plenty of “bad people”. Whether or not you choose to see good or bad is (in large part) up to you. Neither way is “right” or “wrong”.
I think you would be happier if you tried to look for good instead of bad, but as you’ve stated, that’s not a goal of yours. I don’t think that you really have any more “moral integrity” than the other side though. While I’m not asking you to abandon your point of view, I think you should realize that there is a reason why your viewpoint is not very popular; it seems that you’ve had negative experiences that have caused you to become cynical about human nature but here’s a rough analysis of the numbers: the fact that most people are not that cynical is evidence that most people don’t have it that bad. People aren’t wrong to believe in good human nature when that’s what their experiences reflect. They’re coming to conclusions in the same way you are, just the other way around.
If your experiences have been so negative, that’s an alright thing to base your views on. But I hope that you find more positive experiences in the future that might change your mind. You probably won’t find it on Lemmy.
I know where the anger is coming from - its coming from being treated unjustly my entire life - and knowing that everyone is willing to do anything up to committing suicide to continue to treat me unjustly, because they can’t live with themselves if they don’t. They think failure to be cruel to me proves that they are “weak” and unworthy of life.
As a target is not set up to miss it so the nature of evil does not exist in the world.
Is English not your first language? Because that’s not written correctly. The first clause does not relate to the second.
its coming from being treated unjustly my entire life
That’s not something in your control. What is in your control is whether you add to it, including by spreading bad vibes by being chronically miserable. Don’t be a slave to your past.
They think failure to be cruel to me proves that they are “weak” and unworthy of life.
If everyone, ever, looks like a narcissist to you then one of two things are true: a) You’re one yourself and are literally begging for that behaviour to be kept in check, or, b) you’re jaded beyond measure. Is there not a single person that doesn’t give you the creeps? You included, btw.
Is English not your first language? Because that’s not written correctly. The first clause does not relate to the second.
It isn’t, but yes it is written correctly. But the Epictetus translation I paraphrased it from is better, I agree:
As a mark is not set up for the sake of missing the aim, so neither does the nature of evil exist in the world.
spreading bad vibes by being chronically miserable
What the fuck is this bullshit? And what makes you think you don’t deserve the punishment?
Don’t be a slave to your past.
I’m not. I’m extrapolating the future from what I correctly learned from the past, and preparing for it.
If everyone, ever, looks like a narcissist to you then one of two things are true: a) You’re one yourself and are literally begging for that behaviour to be kept in check, or, b) you’re jaded beyond measure.
Oh, definitely B. But you’ll accuse me of being A, because you’re the narcissist. And I ABSOLUTELY do not anyone to “keep my behavior in check” - the entire point of this is to liberate my self from everyone else domination and desire to enslave me. I am willing to hacksaw people’s hands off at the wrist to keep them off of me.
Is there not a single person that doesn’t give you the creeps? You included, btw.
“Creeps?” What planet are you on? People are beating me up - that’s not “the creeps”, that’s justified fear.
As a mark is not set up for the sake of missing the aim, so neither does the nature of evil exist in the world.
Again, that doesn’t make any sense. “Evil” has nothing to do with “missing a mark”; evil is defined as the will and desire to dominate others. That nature does exist; psychology relegates it to Cluster B of the set on personality disorders.
What the fuck is this bullshit? And what makes you think you don’t deserve the punishment?
You don’t deserve the reaction you’re trying to coax out of me. You’re trying to elicit it so that you can be reinforced in your beliefs, so that you can continue to say “see, it’s true, everybody hates me, everyone is an enemy”. But no amount of flailing will make me hate you. Best I can do is tickle you into submission, sorry.
And, yes, my intent here is to dominate and my methods are manipulative. What’s the motive, though?
You don’t deserve the reaction you’re trying to coax out of me. You’re trying to elicit it so that you can be reinforced in your beliefs, so that you can continue to say “see, it’s true, everybody hates me, everyone is an enemy”.
No, I’m not. I’m trying to teach you about your own nature, so you can correct it.
What’s the motive, though?
The same motive all narcissists have - you’re trying to “prove” your “better” than I am to hide from your own insecurity. You’re trying to hide some secret shame from others - and you’re willing do anything, including kill, to do so.
No, I’m not. I’m trying to teach you about your own nature, so you can correct it.
I know my nature thank you very much. And what do you mean with “correction”? Do you want me to be an asshole? You also don’t need to worry about me: I’m peaceful, not harmless. In fact, you can’t really be peaceful if you’re harmless, in that we agree I think.
The same motive all narcissists have - you’re trying to “prove” your “better” than I am to hide from your own insecurity. You’re trying to hide some secret shame from others - and you’re willing do anything, including kill, to do so.
That’s not a narcissistic motive. Narcissists feel shame when they, inadvertently, do something nice same as others feel shame when they inadvertently hurt. Their moral instincts are flipped and their function in society is to keep the rest on our toes. They’re the empty space directly around the mark so the mark is easier to see. Their purpose in life is to be a warning example. In that way they serve good.
Playing over fears is a thing every human is prone to, no matter the neurological makeup. It’s either a function of pride, to which the antidote is humility, or urgency/stress, to which the antidote is taking your time, avoiding snap judgements… or it’s foolhardiness. Courage, OTOH, is not playing over but actually overcoming fear, usually out of wisdom, the queen of the virtues, able to bring opposing instincts into mutually agreeable concord. That’s adaptation without the “mal-” in front.
And I don’t care about whatever shame the assholes put into you. Keep it to yourself, you deserve kindness regardless. The question is whether you’re willing to look beyond it and become receptive to kindness, or whether you carry it around as a shield because giving it up would invoke the ire of people you are, as I gather, no longer under the direct thumb of.
No you don’t. You actively try to be ignorant of it, because you don’t want to know the horrible truth.
And what do you mean with “correction”? Do you want me to be an asshole?
The correct is stopping you from being an asshole.
You also don’t need to worry about me: I’m peaceful, not harmless.
I’m not your gullible mark. I’ll worry about you as I see fit - not as you dictate.
In fact, you can’t really be peaceful if you’re harmless, in that we agree I think.
No we don’t - I can’t even make sense of this line.
That’s not a narcissistic motive. Narcissists feel shame when they, inadvertently, do something nice same as others feel shame when they inadvertently hurt. Their moral instincts are flipped and their function in society is to keep the rest on our toes. They’re the empty space directly around the mark so the mark is easier to see. Their purpose in life is to be a warning example. In that way they serve good.
This is directly contrary to even the wikipedia entry, much less the therapists I see. You’re just full of shit.
And I don’t care about whatever shame the assholes put into you. Keep it to yourself, you deserve kindness regardless. The question is whether you’re willing to look beyond it and become receptive to kindness, or whether you carry it around as a shield because giving it up would invoke the ire of people you are, as I gather, no longer under the direct thumb of.
I have nothing to be ashamed of. I never stopped being receptive to genuine kindness - I stopped being receptive to obvious, bald-faced lies and other bad faith behavior. I stopped being receptive to the idea that people can be genuine instead of being continuous, compulsive liars. I stopped being a sucker, and started being a skeptic - and I never took anything anyone said at face value again.
Human beings are incapable of being genuine to those they do not consider their equal. I have been branded infinitely beneath all others, a brand enforced by society itself. No one will ever interact with me in good faith - and nothing anyone can say will change my mind.
I’m not your gullible mark. I’ll worry about you as I see fit - not as you dictate.
Oh this is very interesting. I meant you do not need worry about my safety. As you seemed to be keen on “curing” me of my “naive” ways, convincing you of yours, seeing the whole world as nothing but enmity. It didn’t even occur to me that it could be read the other way around. How did you come to that interpretation?
No we don’t - I can’t even make sense of this line.
Someone who is harmless has no way to defend themselves. They will be afraid little tiny chihuahuas throwing their ire at anyone that they ever meet, considering all to be more powerful than them, that ire will be directed inside into self-hatred or outside into anger, but it’s still the same helplessness.
If you are not harmless, however, you can find safety, even in dicey situations, in your capacity to get out of them on your own terms. It’s the martial artists who is not impressed by chest thumping, and see no need to engage in that practice: If a punch flies their way they’re going to react, they can trust the back of their mind to deal with it. Any worry there might be does not need to cross the threshold of consciousness because they have achieved unconscious competence. That enables peacefulness even in a biker bar.
Human beings are incapable of being genuine to those they do not consider their equal.
Are humans fake to their pets, to their children? To their frail elders?
I have been branded infinitely beneath all others, a brand enforced by society itself.
To me, that’s the only interpretation that makes sense. Why the fuck would you allay my fears of your safety? To you, my fears would be you r asset you can use against me. Allaying those fears disarms you.
If you are not harmless, however, you can find safety, even in dicey situations, in your capacity to get out of them on your own terms.
Not necessarily. “Not harmless” does not guarantee “sufficiently harmful”.
Are humans fake to their pets, to their children? To their frail elders?
For this definition those beings are equal. Equal in social status, not competency.
How much do you yourself enforce that brand?
I don’t. The entire point of talking to you people is to break you of this obsession with putting down.
…never mind you just answered that.
It’s not my mind forcing you people to denigrate me; you choose, of your own free will, to do so. Even your belief that I influence that choice is your choice to allow me to influence , your choice to even believe that I can influence that choice. You can choose to not denigrate NO MATTER HOW I ACT, and that is in fact the only moral choice, but you all choose the immoral choice because it is immoral, because it is anti-social.
You choose to assert that I am less than you to dominate me, and you claim my behavior is the cause to further that domination.
To you, my fears would be you r asset you can use against me.
Now why would I do that. Humanity aside that’s strategically unsound: Fearful people are not at the full extent of their abilities. And if we are are to, what, hunt mammoths or some shit I’d rather have you at your best.
You choose to assert that I am less than you to dominate me,
I assert that your neurosis is less than you, that it diminishes you. Anyone trying to get you out of there does not do it to further their control over you – on the contrary, they want to see you fly and soar (or at the very least not get on their nerves). Those narcissists you speak of would rather reinforce it, because it is a leash they can lead you by. How do you clearly distinguish between those ends people aim for? “Everyone is out to get me” is not an answer to that question, it’s a cop-out, it’s avoidance.
Or, let me put this differently: If there was a single decent human being among the billions we are, and you might just by chance stumble across them one day… would you be able to tell that they’re the exception? Can you develop that skill? Is that a hypothetical you’re comfortable contemplating?
Now why would I do that. Humanity aside that’s strategically unsound: Fearful people are not at the full extent of their abilities. And if we are are to, what, hunt mammoths or some shit I’d rather have you at your best.
You know goddamned why; you’re not fooling me. You hate me because I prove your belief that that you’re inferior. And you don’t want me “at your best” because that results in me killing you the next time you attack me.
on the contrary, they want to see you fly and soar
That would be suicidal for them. Do you expect me to believe they’re openly suicidal?
How do you clearly distinguish between those ends people aim for?
No one is trying to “get me out of there” and anyone who’s trying to convince there is is exactly the people I need to destroy first - because they are the boldest liars.
“Everyone is out to get me” is not an answer to that question, it’s a cop-out, it’s avoidance.
That’s your strawman.
If there was a single decent human being among the billions we are, and you might just by chance stumble across them one day… would you be able to tell that they’re the exception?
It wouldn’t matter, because a single person wouldn’t make a difference. In fact, the idea of a “single person” is an oxymoron; an “individual” is just meat. Personhood comes from group membership; no “individual” is a “person” until a group recognizes them as such.
The social atom is the group, no the individual bag of meat. A human being’s worth literally comes from the group; one’s own estimate of worth is hopelessly biased and therefore perfectly invalid.
You hate me because I prove your belief that that you’re inferior.
Was that a Freudian slip?
Just for the record, no, I do not think of myself as inferior. Or superior. I generally don’t tend to think it those categories and definitely not as a generality. If there’s a shoemaker, sure, I’ll recognise their authority when it comes to the question of shoes.
And you don’t want me “at your best” because that results in me killing you the next time you attack me.
Why would I attack you? As I said in the beginning: No amount of flailing will make me hate you. Any aggression will have to be started from your side.
I do not think of myself as inferior. Or superior.
Sure you don’t.
Why would I attack you? As I said in the beginning: No amount of flailing will make me hate you.
And as I have said throughout: I won’t take anything you say at face value. You have no reason to talk to me if you’re not trying to lie to me somehow.
These reasonings are unconnected: “I am richer than you, therefore I am better”; “I am more eloquent than you, therefore I am better.” The connection is rather this: “I am richer than you, therefore my property is greater than yours;” “I am more eloquent than you, therefore my style is better than yours.” But you, after all, are neither property nor style.
You do not know anyone’s nature but your own. You cannot assume anyone’s behavior except your own. By definition, you are entirely wrong, because your entire conception is based upon assumptions about people you’ve never met and likely never will. You are definitively the narcissist in this thread, making everything about you. You need to pull the tapeworm out of your ass.
Bullshit. Humanity’s common nature is a fact of psychology.
And I don’t need to meet every “individual” of a species every member of which compulsively tries to destroy their - and everyone else’s - individuality. You bastards hate individuality - that’s why you compulsively abuse everyone who’s different than you. That’s what bigotry is - and everyone’s a bigot.
Humanity’s common nature, beyond the last few hundred years, is actually one of mutual aid and cooperation. I’d encourage you to look into the various Peoples Histories of the various parts of the world. It is increasingly clear the more data is gathered that the current system of elevating greed, avarice, selfishness etc, is a historical outlier on a history that stretches back hundreds of thousands of years of people collectively cooperating.
Humanity’s common nature, beyond the last few hundred years, is actually one of mutual aid and cooperation.
That is only true for people INSIDE their social circles.
INSIDE, jackass.
Everyone OUTSIDE is prey - that’s why they’re “outside”.
I know “the various Peoples Histories of the various parts of the world” BETTER THAN YOU DO! I actually read the books and did the homework - you’re the type of delinquent who copied off of me. I spent my life studying sociology and anthropology just to figure out why you motherfuckers hate me so much.
What life-threatening condition made you research sociology?
It is increasingly clear the more data is gathered that the current system of elevating greed, avarice, selfishness etc, is a historical outlier on a history that stretches back hundreds of thousands of years of people collectively cooperating.
What a load of horseshit. Narcissists are in complete control of the Earth and have been since before the feudal era - don’t hand me this bullshit about how effective “people collectively cooperating” are. I’ll believe “people collectively cooperating” matter when they start carving up narcissists like it’s a deli counter.
Now you’re asserting ascribing more and more to me. I’ve read plenty of books, we could go through some we’ve read if you really want to. Have you read Graeber and Wengrow’s “Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity”? How about Paulo Freire’s “Pedagogy of the Oppressed”? They’re pretty popular books, I wouldn’t be surprised if you have, but if not I’d recommend them. Do you have any recommendations for me?
The point is that you’re denying me that social circle by lying to other people about me - at minimum misleading them about me, for your own narcissistic ends.
No one owes you a social circle, so no one can deny it to you. Social connections are forged, not given. How can people you’ve never met lie about you? They can’t, by definition. There is absolutely no possibility that you’ve met every person even within your community, much less the world, in order to be able to make that assertion. It sounds like, you’re abusive, and blame it on your prior trauma, and when people don’t accept being abused by you, you claim that they’re liars or narcissists. Nearly everyone has had trauma in their life, many people have had trauma worse than can be imagined without experiencing it, and yet, they don’t become violently angry anti-social assholes.
Your response to trauma is a choice, and you have made a choice that prevents ever healing and creates further trauma.
It sounds like, you’re abusive, and blame it on your prior trauma, and when people don’t accept being abused by you, you claim that they’re liars or narcissists.
I’ve had a friend like that. It was hard cutting her off, but in the end our whole social circle agreed that was the right thing to do after enduring so much of her abuse over the years. She was crazy manipulative and always the victim, just like this dude.
No one owes you a social circle, so no one can deny it to you.
That does not give you the right to deny it in bad faith. If I do everything to earn that social circle, and I am still denied it, then you are acting in bad faith and must be punished - or you will permanently act in bad faith, and encourage others to do the same, virally.
Social connections are forged, not given.
The hell they aren’t. Every person I was raised with had their connections from birth. They were literally a birthright.
And I busted my ass to forge those connections, and you all fucking mocked me for it.
How can people you’ve never met lie about you? They can’t, by definition.
Are you mentally disabled or something?
A manipulator tells them false things about you to others, and then those others repeat it as gossip. I mean, the fucking Bible talks about this.
There is absolutely no possibility that you’ve met every person even within your community, much less the world, in order to be able to make that assertion.
I don’t need to. People go out of their way to be like everyone in their social groups to avoid being rejected; therefore everyone in a social group is similar enough to represent the whole group. All remaining difference are meaningless.
It sounds like, you’re abusive, and blame it on your prior trauma, and when people don’t accept being abused by you, you claim that they’re liars or narcissists. Nearly everyone has had trauma in their life, many people have had trauma worse than can be imagined without experiencing it
The difference is that I didn’t cause your trauma, but you at least want to cause mine. You have a compulsive need to dominate me to cover for your own insecurities. I don’t cover my insecurities - I blast them at maximum volume in order to make sure you can’t avoid the consequence for causing my insecure condition.
and yet, they don’t become violently angry anti-social assholes.
I’m not anti-social - you are the assholes rejecting me.
Your response to trauma is a choice, and you have made a choice that prevents ever healing and creates further trauma.
Wrong. I have made the only choice that lets me survive. You idea of “healing” is actually my complete submission to you, which I will never give; that is the only “healing” you want. I don’t want your “healing”; you can go fuck yourself.
There is no such thing as “earning” a social connection. You don’t deserve them, you cannot earn them or buy them or trade them. Again, you forge them. They are a product of mutual vulnerability and compatibility.
I made my friends from those who others rejected, and it made all of us stronger for it. I specifically seek out those in need and offer myself to them, and those who do not fit in other social circles. None of my friends are like me, we are all very different, with very different lifestyles and goals, and we do not even agree on basic things, yet because we have forged bonds together, no amount of difference can break us apart.
You assert many intentions to me, which is your right, however, it’s no surprise why you lack bonds when you treat people such and view the world through a warped, transactional point of view. There’s no brownie points in the real world, behaving like a human does not entitle you to friends. It is the bare minimum standard of mutual humanity. You must go farther than that.
Why do you assume the entire world is telling lies about you? Why do you care what other people say about you? Where are you that you genuinely think most people want to murder and dominate you, and what attempts have you made to relocate to somewhere more amenable to you? Do you find beauty in nature? Do you frequently engage with nature? How many social media accounts do you have? When was the last time you went to a social event by yourself where you know absolutely no one? How much time per day do you spend on self improvement, be it mental or physical? What are your goals for the immediate future? And further out?
There is no such thing as “earning” a social connection. You don’t deserve them, you cannot earn them or buy them or trade them. Again, you forge them. They are a product of mutual vulnerability and compatibility.
This is absolute bullshit.
“Forge” has no clear definition here; this is just a weasel word used to justify arbitrary rejection in bad faith.
There is no such thing as “mutual vulnerability” - by definition, if one person is “vulnerable” the other person is psychologically compelled to attack them. Humans are as predator species, jackass.
I have no “mutual compatibility” with any human being, and cannot become compatible without throwing away my very soul.
a warped, transactional point of view.
Those are your transactions - “transactional” is your invention. I only adopted in the last couple of months because it’s the only thing you crazed, irrational motherfuckers understand. Anything you assholes do is less rational, less functional.
You must go farther than that.
I’ve gone much farther than that, only to be mocked for being gullible enough to believe that anyone would treat me well in return. Your insistence that I “must go farther than that” is simply your attempt to trick me into falling for that con again. What do I have to do to convince you assholes I’ll never be that gullible again?
Why do you assume the entire world is telling lies about you?
Why do you believe the massive list of names people called me throughout school weren’t lies? Because the only reason one would ask that question is if you believe that all of those names - including those that directly contradict each other - are true.
Why do you believe people wouldn’t simply adopt very successful strategies? People calling me names succeeded in making me modify my behavior; It would be zero-intelligence 8stupid* for anyone to witness that success and say to themselves, “I’m going to throw away that perfectly successful strategy that achieves my aims and instead do something completely unproven”.
Once on e bully did something to me in school, the entire school did it, almost immediately. It’s as if they didn’t have free wills - and I have yet to find any evidence that they gained that free will. I have seen a scientific paper recently that explains how mental laziness makes people gullible and prone to brainwashing.
Why do you care what other people say about you?
Because what people think drives what they do, and what people say spreads virally until no one has an original thought in their heads. It’s what they do that matters - and what they do is act in bad faith, destroy everything I own, and go out of their way to become and obstacle between me and everything need to survive.
Where are you that you genuinely think most people want to murder and dominate you
Earth.
what attempts have you made to relocate to somewhere more amenable to you?
Relocation is what started the abuse. Relocation made me an “invader”, a person who “didn’t belong here” and people were willing to kill to get rid of.
Moving again simply means there are two gangs of people trying to kill me.
Do you find beauty in nature? Do you frequently engage with nature?
No, and no. I do not conceptualize “beauty”.
How many social media accounts do you have?
Two. I refuse to go on either Facebook or whatever Elon calls his garbage fire now.
When was the last time you went to a social event by yourself where you know absolutely no one?
I never knew anyone. I cannot remember names. I’ve never been to a social event unless you count school itself.
How much time per day do you spend on self improvement, be it mental or physical?
8+ hours - more on weekends. The moment I fail to improve myself is the moment the rest of the world catches up - and I die.
What are your goals for the immediate future?
Survive.
And further out?
Survive.
Cheers, my angry friend.
Don’t ever falsely accuse me of being your friend ever again.
So, you’re extrapolating your entire worldview based on experiences you had during school, a period of most people’s life notorious for tribalist cliques and irrational behaviors? School sucked for me too, that’s why I finished and didn’t go back. I’ve had all the classics, I’ve been pantsed, had a swirly, been physically beaten, robbed, stolen from, rumors spread about me, catfished before catfishing was a term, etc etc.
School sucks, the structure of it sucks, it encourages such behaviors and is filled with hierarchies and domination. The banking model of education is inherently flawed and hinders development of critical thinking and empathy, for sure. That doesn’t mean that all of humanity is that way though.
You say you’ve never even been to a social event outside of school, and that you have no mutual compatibility with actionsanyone. You have no hobbies you could share with anyone, nor do you believe there is anyone with a shared experience of school that might be a potential point of rapport? What do you do when you go to the book store, do you glare at the cashier because of your assumptions regarding them? Or do you greet them warmly and ask them how they are with genuine desire to know?
And whether or not I am your friend, you are my comrade. I care about unique, interesting people, and while we may not share a worldview, you most certainly are a unique and interesting person.
I dont have a social circle, I talk to random people online when I feel like I wanna be social. I was just at the hardware store, looking like queer me, and the cashier was clearly a strong middle-aged white guy. He might politically want me dead. But he was nice enough. I didnt get the fear response activation vibe that he could murder me or wanted to. My name is Franzia, and it is a female name, I’m not a guy.
I was just at the hardware store, looking like queer me, and the cashier was clearly a strong middle-aged white guy. He might politically want me dead. But he was nice enough.
What a fucking pant load. You’re so full of shit, it stinks
Bullshit. The majority of people want to dominate everyone not in their immediate social circle. Go look up social dominance theory - it will tell you everything you need to know about how people really behave.
I'm basing this on my life's experience, and of those around me. That might not match your's but what I say is true to me.
I'm not going to say you're wrong. As long as inequalities exist between people, there will always be in-groups and out-groups of people. Humanity is tribal, and likely always will be.
But most people don't spend their waking moments trying to enforce these tribalisms. Arseholes definitely do, but that's not the majority of people.
And what magical fucking force forces people to “chill”?
Biology.
The human brain doesn't come pre-built. There are many parts that develop at different rates, with the pre-cortex (the "rational" part of your brain) still developing even into your mid-20s.
During your adolescence this process is nowhere near complete, thus adolescents are generally severely lacking in the long-term judgement and planning department. They are more likely to be impulsive, to jump on the bandwagon of peer pressure without thinking through the consequences.
As they get older, most people become generally better at thinking things through. Less likely to act on impulse, and more likely to listen to others. They learn about viewpoints way outside their own and start to become less self-absorbed. At least that's my experience of growing around my peers.
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They don’t. Because that magic doesn’t fucking exist. Only the trauma of punishment makes people stop abusing others. Without the threat of permanent injury on themselves, people will always try to permanently injure others as a means to dominate and control - at least for the sake of their social groups. That desperate need to dominate and control is what makes them human.
You are spreading self-aggrandizing lies; spreading an infection that will only cause more people to get more “uppity” and beat more innocent people to death. Stop lying about people and apologizing for their bloodlust. People are murderers, hunters for the only “game” still left - forcibly isolated human beings.
I wasted my entire life being kind to people, only to mock me for being so stupid, so gullible enough to fall for the con that they would be nice back. They beat me like they were mining for ore, driving blow after blow into my skull until it was permanently disfigured, and then they broke every bone in my limbs until they didn’t work anymore.
Don’t give me this horseshit about how people “chill out” - I did not get almost murdered over fifteen years by people who would simply magically stop being murderous because some timer ran out. No, those motherfuckers murdered as if it was a fucking religious mandate and they are the same type of assholes who tried to take over the U.S. on January 6th.
No one is ever going to acknowledge my humanity, no matter how kind I am, or what I do. I will always be seen as a “less than” because the ENTIRE human race are malignant narcissists - and there is an entire organization of psychologists and sociologists who reject the pro-human narrative and know exactly how evil people really are. Quit apologizing for rapists and murderers.
Jesus christ you went off the deep end quick, I am not responding to all of that...
I don't know what kind of life you've experienced, but you've got some deep-seated traumas up in that head of yours that you need to figure out.
Not only that, but you've seemingly driven yourself into an almost schizophrenic delusion that everybody is after you, looking for a chance to tear you down in whatever way they can. That's just not the case.
If your tendency is to explode on anyone who disagrees about your worldview, to compare them to murderers, then I'm afraid you might just be the problem in your lack of a social life - I'll leave you with this:
"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole" - Raylan Givens, Justified
But most people don’t spend their waking moments trying to enforce these tribalisms.
That doesn’t matter. As long as they are enforced, “how often” doesn’t factor in. You only have to blow out an “invader” 's brain once.
As they get older, most people become generally better at thinking things through. Less likely to act on impulse, and more likely to listen to others. They learn about viewpoints way outside their own and start to become less self-absorbed. At least that’s my experience of growing around my peers.
Absolute horseshit. This stopped occurring in the early 20th century - if not earlier than that.
Not only that, but you’ve seemingly driven yourself into an almost schizophrenic delusion that everybody is after you, looking for a chance to tear you down in whatever way they can. That’s just not the case.
Then explain to me why exactly zero people supported me during my childhood. Not my parents not my peers, not school faculty, NO ONE.
If you can’t explain that with statistical logic, without resorting to sucking off the human species, you’re full of shit.
If your tendency is to explode on anyone who disagrees about your worldview, to compare them to murderers, then I’m afraid you might just be the problem in your lack of a social life
I’m not trying to have a social life anymore - you assholes proved that you’d sacrifice your lives to prevent that in my junior high.
I’m trying to secure my survival against a species that refuses to control itself. A species of rabid dogs that put on airs. You don’t just “disagree about my worldview” - you’re trying to annihilate my very identity so you can enslave me with your bullshit ideas.
I WILL NOT INTERNALIZE YOUR BULLSHIT, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU FIGHT ME!!!
I might be late to the discussion, but it seems that your life has been hard and full of abuse. A lot of people here answered your comments with compassion, but your replies were almost always aggressive. It’s ok to feel hatred towards your abusers, but the fact that you seem to immediately hate people that try to peacefully communicate with you is, objectively, very wrong. Even if all the abusers in the world died tomorrow, would you be happy?
you’ve seemingly driven yourself into an almost schizophrenic delusion that everybody is after you
It’s not almost, they sound exactly like my old classmate who unfortunately did spiral down the path of paranoid schizophrenia. Nobody here is going to change their mind, despite your best intentions. Even professionals don’t have much better luck.
Sorry, bud - kind people don’t say that. Yes, I’ve been walked all over by assholes, and I’ve been taken advantage of more times than I can count. I’ve been bullied and abused because of my body, and I’ve been made to feel like I don’t deserve to share the same planet with some people, but I’ve also met some amazing people who accept me and love me.
The whole point of being kind is to be vulnerable, and to help people earnestly and without judgement. Why would I give a shit that some asshole got a leg up because of my effort, or felt bigger by making me feel smaller? If I help 100 jerks and one good person, at the end of the day, I helped a good person, and that makes my whole day, regardless of anything else. That’s how you find the good people in the world, and build your social circle with people who care for you.
The whole point of being kind is to be vulnerable, and to help people earnestly and without judgement. Why would I give a shit that some asshole got a leg up because of my effort, or felt bigger by making me feel smaller? If I help 100 jerks and one good person, at the end of the day, I helped a good person, and that makes my whole day, regardless of anything else. That’s how you find the good people in the world, and build your social circle with people who care for you.
You’re a gullible fool.
“Vulnerability” only teaches people they can succeed in killing you, and that you won’t defend yourself properly from those who try. This isn’t about “some asshole got a leg up because of my effort” or “felt bigger by making me feel smaller” - this is about motherfuckers who murder people for fun.
Get your head out of your as an see real life. Life is a war zone where very social group is hunting every other social group - and everyone isolated from a social group. The goals of those groups is to kill - nothing less. There are no “good people” to help - they ALL are on the hunt, and I will not accept your lies suggesting otherwise. I will not be changed by your attempt to dominate and subjugate my mind.
Sorry, bud - kind people don’t say that.
Yes they do - after they wake up and realize they were taken in for fools, haven been conned by society into enabling abusers.
Clearly you’ve given up hope, and need to reject the idea of other people people being happy, and surrounded by love in order to not feel like you made a mistake in doing so. Nobody’s trying to kill me, nor are they trying to kill you - people are pretty good at that, as you pointed out; when they actually want to, they don’t try to, they just do. I’ve gotten death threats before, and lo and behold they were just threats. Had anyone gotten a gun and actually came after me with it, I’d be dead. You would be too, if they were serious about their supposed effort to kill you.
I’m in a loving marriage, with friends and what’s left of my family after I cut out the bad parts. They all support me and want me to be happy. We hang out and help one another, and it’s been years since I even met someone who I remember treating me poorly, because once you have that support network you don’t even care about those kinds of people. You end up just seeing them for what they are instead - just normal people who never learned to interact with others; pity them. You’ve still got a good chance to find your friend group. Don’t throw that chance away by just assuming such lives don’t exist - they absolutely do.
need to reject the idea of other people people being happy, and surrounded by love in order to not feel like you made a mistake in doing so.
People derive their happiness from torturing “other” people. That’s why they tortured me. That’s why my own parents tied me to a chair and beat me half to death with whatever didn’t leave bruise. That’s why my childhood peers beat me with whatever they could find and call me every name in the book. and that’s why no one ever did anything else. My therapists said the lack of alternate behavior - treatmentother than abuse - was the most damaging part of my trauma.
Nobody’s trying to kill me
No shit - you’re in a social group.
nor are they trying to kill you
They why was I shot three months ago, by a man who yelled in front of witnesses that he was going to kill me?
Had anyone gotten a gun and actually came after me with it, I’d be dead. You would be too, if they were serious about their supposed effort to kill you.
You grossly overestimate the competence of humankind. You also forget that maintaining social acceptance overrides even their desire to kill. They have to justify killing me to their peers before they can do it - otherwise they come off as someone who will kill anyone, a homicidal maniac. They have to build a casus belli before they murder me - that’s where I set them against their peers.
Their real desire is to dominate - killing is the consolation prize. I refuse to be someone else’s slave, so they’re driven to kill me to prevent the narcissistic collapse - to live with themselves after “failing” to enslave me.
I’m in a loving marriage, with friends and what’s left of my family
Bragging, really? You self-centered twat.
once you have that support network you don’t even care about those kinds of people.
The problem is that I can’t get that support network because you motherfuckers define your identities by who you bar from those networks. You bastards would rather kill an entire crowd than “fail” by letting me be tolerated by a group. You support your narcissistic egos by dominating other people and lying about them to others, making sure they’re permanently socially isolated.
You’ve still got a good chance to find your friend group.
No I don’t - I’m at the end of my life, and have absolutely no use for a friend group now.
Don’t throw that chance away by just assuming such lives don’t exist - they absolutely do
Prove it. Drag their bodies before me. I’m sick and tired of liars like you asserting this bullshit without proof, simply because your friends drive you to delusion and protect you from reality.
Like… call the police idfk. This violence and abuse is foreign to me, its not most people’s experiences and you’re in a deeply dangerous situation. You get away from those people, and actually the majority of people are great.
Alright, you’ve got people trying to kill you that’s terrible. You’ve definitely got it worse than I ever did, and you’re justified in thinking everyone’s out to get you. So start fresh. My mom never tried to kill me, but she did try to forcibly denounce my citizenship so I’d be utterly reliant upon her, so I moved across the country and lived for a few years in a closet of a bedroom owned by some lady I found on craigslist.
It sucked, and I had pretty much no money, but in about 2 years I managed to get back on my feet. I was even able to move back to my hometown, since I didn’t want to let my mom force me to live away from where I wanted to be. I made a new social group, and let some people from the previous group back in once I assessed whether they had my best interests in mind. I’m not saying starting fresh would be easy - it’s certainly the hardest thing I’ve ever done - but it sounds like you’ve got people actively hunting you down, so if they’re as incompetent at murder as you say they are, they should have an even harder time killing you with a thousand miles between you.
I’m not telling you about my life to brag - I’m actively encouraging you to find those same joys yourself. That’s what it looks like when someone encourages you - they tell you about how good your life can be if you regain hope.
Not only is there no way to “start fresh”, MOVING IS WHAT MADE PEOPLE WANT TO KILL ME IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Their murderous rage started when my parents moved from one place to some place where “I didn’t belong” and they’ve been trying to kill me ever since, because there is no place on this Earth I belong. Even if there was such a place, they’d simply destroy it to deprive me of it and dominate me.
they should have an even harder time killing you with a thousand miles between you.
They are experts at chasing me down - they are far more skilled at chasing and tracking than killing. Remember, their priority is DOMINATION - they have an entire stable of people they have enslaved, whether they are actually chained up, or kept in line through extortion. The most important thing in their lives is to keep control of those people - and the second most is to regain control once they lose one.
I’m actively encouraging you to find those same joys yourself.
And I refuse to chase down happiness, because that will only make me an addict like my abusers. They abuse because abuse is the only thing that makes them happy, now that they’re strung out on it.
That’s what it looks like when someone encourages you - they tell you about how good your life can be if you regain hope.
No, that’s what lying looks like. I will never take anything anyone tells me at face value again.
You is batshit crazy. I don’t want to dominate you but I definitely pity you. I wish I could travel back in time and just set up traps to trip and pants everyone who was ever unkind to you. I can’t do that though, but I hope you get it all figured out one day.
You need to allow positive influences into your life. Hell, some decent negative influences might serve you better than the version of reality you’ve made for yourself here.
And if everyone is so evil and hellbent on dominating you, why do feel the need to interact with them on social media? It’s like you can’t commit to the isolation, which is a good thing because maybe at some point something positive will come your way.
I don’t know man. I’m not dealing with the madness that you are so I know there’s probably nothing I can say to help you.
I hope you can manage to help yourself some day though. Your abusers poisoned your brain, and then you’ve continued to apply that poison up to the place you’re in now.
More bullshit. What makes you think I’m so gullible? What do I have to do to prove to you that I am skeptical beyond your ability to fool?
You need to allow positive influences into your life.
I’m not the one stopping them. You are.
The most important faculty I value in others is the inability to be manipulated by another human being. The entire point of what I do is to weed out people who can be manipulated. I am only interested in people who defy my resistance and treat me well regardless of my initial resistance. If you can’t manage that, then you won’t be able to resist becoming a manipulator’s puppet - which is the only way such an abuser can succeed in killing me. If you cannot resist manipulation, I don’t think you’re worth the oxygen you breathe - you’re just an extension of the person manipulating you.
And if everyone is so evil and hellbent on dominating you, why do feel the need to interact with them on social media?
I have to stop them on every front - including debunking the lies they tell others to recruit them to join their “war” against me.
It’s like you can’t commit to the isolation
I don’t want to be isolated - you motherfuckers ostracize me to dominate me.
there’s probably nothing I can say to help you.
No shit - you have to do things, not say things. Of course you’ll fucking fail if you simply say things. But now it’s too late to do things, too.
Had you people done things during my childhood to help, you would have succeeded. But you didn’t want to actually succeed - you failed intentionally, because you wanted me broken, but also wanted the credit for trying to help. It’s all disingenuous, performative bullshit.
you’ve continued to apply that poison up to the place you’re in now.
Fuck you, narcissist. This is pure DARVO - Deny accuse, reverse victim and offender. Quit your bullshit gaslighting.
Oh so now I’m directly involved in your misery? haha
Me, who spends all of my time alone playing video games lol.
Ok bud. You try to have a nice life. Not gonna happen as long as you think you’re the center of the universe and every person on the planet is out to get you.
You keep fighting your lonely little war and the rest of us are just gonna keep on living.
I never claimed to be “the center of the universe” - that’s a straw man you added. All I’m saying is that I’m the victim of bigotry, the same as every other victim of bigotry. I’m merely an asteroid, one of millions, orbiting in that universe. You need to single me out to justify abusing me, but not them.
Sorry, bud. I’ve told you all I can. At this point, your life is in your hands. Not the hands of those who want to hurt you, not the hands of those who want to help you, but can’t because of your rejection of the world. Just yours. I hope you make the right choice in the end. You deserve to be loved - and you will be, if you let it in. Please at least remember that much.
As if assholes like you would ever let that be the case. You wouldn’t be able to live with yourself if you failed that badly as to let me regain control.
your rejection of the world
I didn’t reject the world - you assholes rejected me. And this gaslighting bullshit shows how much of a narcissist you are - it’s pure DARVO - Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim and Offender.
I spent my life bending over backwards, trying to convince you people to stop hating me, and the harder I fought, the harder you resisted. That’s not the behavior of a species who ever had any intention of acknowledged my equality - that is the behavior of a species that defines it identity by who they dominate.
I hope you make the right choice in the end.
I have made the right choice - I have chosen to be moral, instead of chasing the happiness dragon and abusing innocent people - which is the choice you all made.
if you let it in
How stupid do you think I am?
There is only one thing to be “let in” - the people who want to enslave me. My entire life is dedicated to crippling them, making sure they enslave no one. And I will not rest until every narcissist is quadriplegic or worse.
What do you count as terminally online? I don’t differenciate between online and offline friends and spend lots of times talking or chatting to people online (as I spend time doing stuff with people irl). But I wouldn’t say that my or this social life is bad.
I would classify “terminally online” as almost exclusively interacting with people online with little to no IRL at all. A bit part of that would also be that the people you interact with are people you’ve never seen.
Wat makes you think that people will be better IRL? They may be more inhibited, but that just means they’re lying about themselves. The truth will burst out, eventually - better to be forewarned.
Being honest doesn’t mean telegraphing every impulse to the surface and acting on it. A toddler does that and it’s considered bratty, a behavior to be corrected.
Being IRL means having immediate feedback on our actions. No extended diatribes using cut outs of their speech. No linking to articles to convince a person. It becomes a test of the social abilities of each individual and how well they can listen and speak. It flexes different skills than reading and writing.
Try to buy from a salesman in person vs online to see the difference. IRL is vastly different from online. IRL also has the added effect of “fuck around, find out” with no down time. If you say something distasteful then you learn about it before you’re done talking by the expressions and reactions of those around you. Acting like you have been is a quick ticket to lonersville, which is probably why you’re so angry at the idea that IRL is different from online. Get out and talk to strangers. See how they react to your need to interrupt, dissect, and “win” when they werent arguing. People want to share information, not stand atop some invisible social pyramid.
I’ll also add another major sign is if you don’t know their irl names. I have close friends who I met over the pandemic who live far away, but we knew each other by name and hear each other’s voices. That’s a big thing. Your Twitter/tumblr mutuals or people you regularly interact with on Reddit/Lemmy are people that terminally online people will think of as friends rather than “no we’ve never met irl but we play d&d together or have a book club over discord”.
The other big thing is whether or not you go to irl events. Just literally being somewhere that’s neither home nor work/school helps so much.
no we’ve never met irl but we play d&d together or have a book club over discord
To be fair, DnD is one of those things I would never ever even consider playing over discord unless I considered you a very good friend, and even then it’s begrudgingly. Discord dnd sucks balls.
I’d call people that who lost contact with reality. So if something you believe could be immediately proven wrong by just stepping outside for a while, you are terminally online.
For example the 4chan theory of: “80 % of women date only 20 % of ultra chad men”. There are people who actually believe this.
Dating apps were mainstream long before 4chan existed, although not as dominant. The idea that all of the women go for the top tier of men gained prominence with an analysis posted on the old OKCupid of their user behavior, and the particular 80/20 split was just pulled out of somewhere, likely borrowed from the Pareto Principle. In any case, 4chan may have pathologized it, but certainly did not originate the notion.
My definition is more or less the same as the one @ParsnipWitch offered...
The terminally online are thise who have little to no contact with reality. They are the shut-ins and the NEETs of this world. Those that would fully believe in conspiracies about life which could be disproven simply by interacting with others IRL.
What I observed was people willing to throw someone off a balcony simply because he set the curve. People are either murderers, or murderer-enablers.
When people start punishing abusers to the point where it stats looking like a holocaust, maybe then they can be redeemed. Until the abusers are traumatized into submission, there will be no justice.
I’ve seen multiple therapists - but therapizing me doesn’t stop other people from abusing me. Getting people to stop is the only goal, the only way I can survive.
Prove anything you’ve said. Share pictures of your several life threatening wounds. Share screenshots of your innumerable acts of kindness that were met with violence. Provide evidence of any of your unbelievable claims or GTFO
If the people around you are really that bad, leave that place and lay low. Has your dominance thing actually improved the situation, or has it brought more conflict?
Moving is what started this whole mess; moving made me an “invader” that “didn’t belong” to where he was moved to. That’s why people are wiling to kill me to get rid of me.
I am laying low, but I’ve been in the same spot longer than anyone else around here - it’s the only reason I’m still alive today.
And it’s not “my” “dominance thing” - it’s part of human nature and it’s the source of the conflict. People demand that I grovel to them, be perfectly obedient to them, and I refuse.
Punishment probably isn’t the best way to improve things. Even under your view of things, it should be clear that punishment does more to make the punisher feel good than actually solve problems.
It’s the only way to improve things. Things cannot improve until you stop people from making it worse - and the only way people will stop making things worse is if they’re too traumatized to act.
Things cannot get better as long as you let people have free will - their free agency will always drive them to worsen things for their own benefit. The power of free will corrupts them.
I sympathize with your pain but also holy fuck I hope you never get your way. I’ve seen what happens when people who think like you get power, they’re brutally abusive.
Believe it or not, most people will stop doing things if they are convinced that it isn’t in their self interest. The idea that trauma is effective at getting people to stop doing something is neither accurate or acceptable. Trauma could easily make some people lash out and cause even more damage. If there’s something we shouldn’t tolerate, it’s people who want to inflict unnecessary and unproductive harm on other people. It probably didn’t make you less of a threat.
You need help, and not just therapy. You would benefit from real life friends and positive interactions with people who treat you as an equal. Residential treatment might be a good idea if you haven’t done it before. Treatment will only work if you work with it. It’s assistance, not having the problem solved for you. You need to do some of the lifting.
You have my attention. A charged response like that deserves a moment of consideration at the Very least.
What experience or experiences brought you to this opinion?
i speak having come from a broken home, destroyed by alcohol. unwanted by my mother and never set eyes on my dad, abused physically and emotionally by said mother as she took her failures out on me…what i mean by that, is…I’ve been in the dark places and I still frequent dark thoughts. i was robbed of justice in a world that owes me nothing…I’ve felt my share of rage and misplaced entitlement. So when i ask you, what’s up? please do not think i am being dismissive nor combative. i genuinely would like to hear about ‘it’
I don’t want to give Aggressive support. We need to talk likes and prayers, those matter. Just so tired of all this aggressive support shit. You Trans, it’s weird, don’t act like it’s a social norm…so sorry people say shit about it but it’s weird so its gonna happen.
Yes, it IS not the norm. It’s a minority. But that doesn’t make it weird. Just because it’s kind of rare doesn’t make it a bad thing. It’s been and still is the society that is making it weird for the people themselves. But I see a positive development to a more open minded and inclusive society, even tho the “angry people” who are against this are loud, they won’t be able to stop it! And they know it, that’s why they are so angry at everyone who’s different as them.
Right on. It’s good to be in the minority, to be different!! It would be boring and if everyone were the same.
I have ADHD so there are always more people not like me than like me (unless I’m in a ADHD club or something lol). I could say I’m weird. But also I’m a different kind of normal. Who decides what is or isn’t normal anyway right?
Anyway… The problem isn’t being unlike some majority group. The problem is the fear and hatred and ignorance.
I had a discussion about weird vs. norm with a friend the other day. We decided neither type of person is good or bad inherently because they are weird or normal. Different things comfort them. A weird person feels safe surrounded by people that “get them” who are weird like they are. Their personal identity is often centered on the fact that they are not “normal”. They take pride in it.
But the predictability of a more structured “normal” life is just as comforting to those who are “normal”. There are no rights or wrongs here, only the need for each type to recognize and respect the other. I don’t really like derogatory terms like “normie”, which I have more than one friend who uses (I don’t say anything to them about it, I can personally not like it without making demands on my friends to feel the same as I do). It’s like when I was in school, there were mostly right handed people, but every now and then there was a “leftie” or “southpaw”. They were different. I don’t recall ever seeing anyone bullied over being left-handed, but we all knew who they were. Humans and many animals focus on differences. It’s probably a residual primal thing. Wolves will kill deformed or sickly pups, for example.
Normal is boring to some, and weird is chaotic to some. Both are acceptable stances and shouldn’t be seen as adversarial by either group.
A: That dehumanization begets dehumanization, terror begets terror, and none of us will be free until all of us are free; or, you know, that it might be easier to just look away.
Not too far from reality where I live. One dude already is doing time because he was blatantly dropping cash payments on things like a HOUSE and multiple cars.
In comic, dystopian reality, selling drugs (really just weed) was how I graduated college debt-free, and graduating without debt was the only way I could take out/afford a loan for a house.
So apparently, it’s true what they say, whether planting or selling trees, the best time to do it was 10 years ago. The second best time is now! (Except don’t)
And then get to sell the stamps you made yourself and nobody knows if you fly or cry, when taking it? You better already have a trusted distributor, already in the game, waiting. Probably you should not distribute it anywhere to close to home. You’ll want to have any issues related to it, to exist preferably in another universe.
There are many more things to consider and plan beforehand, unless the plan is not to sell drugs.
I think I remember reading there’s a legit tek somewhere out there; the catch is that there are also a lot of fake teks, either because they’re supposed to be satire, or because someone’s trying to look good on a random forum and they know no one will actually try it due to equipment requirements. Additionally, I think you can technically do it with stuff at home, but the quality and yield would probably be shit, which is something you don’t want to fuck with when it comes to ergot.
But is it worse than tricking other people to work 40+ hours a week doing whatever you say and giving you most of the value they create? Because that’s the other option.
Plus if you buy a bunch of houses you can get them to give back most of the money you pay them.
I’m 35, and if you squint a bit at the mortgage, I “own” home. With my partner. And we’ll be paying it off for another 27 years. And we’re the lucky ones of this generation.
I do like that theory. Unfortunately my wallet disagrees with it. Thankfully we’ve locked it in for 2.2% for 20 year, and semi-realistically we should be able to pay it off before that runs out. But the official period is 30 years, since that’s the legal maximum.
Well, the good news is if you have a fixed rate mortgage the crushing amount of incoming inflation may cut that back to like 15-20 years!
I’m a couple years older than you, but my partner and I feel incredibly lucky to own a home as well. We bought an abandoned property back in 09’ for 35k and have spent the last ten years fixing it up. If I wasn’t able to borrow 20k from USAA back then, I don’t think I’d even be able to afford the rent in my neighborhood nowadays.
Once I hit my 40s, massive home diy projects have either become necessities (too expensive to hire out), pipe dreams, or like PA DOT working on route 202 in my youth (never ending with incremental steps that never improve the experience of driving). The energy loss is off the hook, and I’m not a flubbynutter.
Seriously. Our house is 175 years old and hadn’t had much work done to it since the last major renovation in the 1920s. People ask me if I renovated it myself. I laugh and explain that no, a crew of full time professional carpenters, roofers, masons, demo experts, plumbers, electricians, plasterers, and painters spent over a year on it. I just don’t think anyone has any concept of how much work is involved in real renovation.
Fortunately interest rates stated low enough that I could keep borrowing more and more and more money to pay all those people. But now I’m trapped and can never sell.
ask them why didn’t they have savings to “buy a private yacht yet” at your age, because I would guess it’s roughly similar in the proportion of pay/cost
Great red haring though. Not that I ever would but I’ve also considered using a bald cap if I ever needed to do something illegal. They’ll be looking for a bald person and I’ll be here chilling with long hair.
The good ol’ wartime razzle-dazzle or temporary skin paint.
In my country there is a band of artists from a neighboring country that perform with hoodies and ever changing face paint. To this day, their true identities are still unknown for many years and with many TV appearances. So very effective
Lol. Normally Elon just posts cringe that isnt funny in any way. But this is hilarious. “I love your transphobia, but have you tried thinking about literally anything else?” Like he wants her to start posting great replacement shit
The thing that always bugged me about awards, especially Reddit gold back in the day, is occasionally I would comment about something wrong with the world, and someone else would see that and give three bucks to Reddit when they could have donated it to an organization trying to solve the issue I was commenting about. Like, I get that you’re showing appreciation for my comment but I’d rather that money go to something other than Reddit premium.
Awards are just bespoke emoji. You can still react to a comment with a picture or emoji if you want.
IMO your comment, actually expressing explicit and specific approval, is worth more than, like… a picture of a little whale with money coming out of its blowhole, or whatever.
Awards or any other monetarily focused system inherently balance discussions towards the inclinations of wealthy people. We already have too much of that in the world, that they can buy law, buy awareness, buy support, it is a bad idea to let them buy opinions and discussion. Everyone gets one vote, nobody is special enough to be worth more than any other.
There isn’t any truly stopping them however, they can buy users, buy botnets, buy influence anywhere. Fuck it I guess, nothing is sacred, everything is tainted.
I mean, sure. My comment was entirely tongue in cheek. I didn’t like awards, especially those that are more than just a glorified emoji (such as those I mentioned)
But, truth be told, the wealthy can just straight up buy discussions and opinions. User farms/bots aren’t free, and neither was Twitter currently X. Nothing can hide from the cruel hand of capital. The fediverse isn’t immune to this either: it’s too small for anyone rich to buy out, but there’s very little preventing them from just buying one of the larger instances. And even without that, it still privileges those with money - hosting isn’t free.
The most we can do is to stay vigilant, I suppose. Be aware of the inherent biases in the world and refuse to engage with systems that are too strongly captured - Twitter currently X, the zuck platform, Reddit soon (probably).
As a connoisseur of technology, the rationale behind this phenomenon resides in the fact that the aforementioned image was captured precisely seven hours subsequent to the creation of the post. Consequently, the temporal emphasis predominantly lies upon the image itself, thereby insinuating that said image has existed in the digital realm for a duration exceeding ten years. This engenders an optical fallacy wherein the image appears to have traversed the vast expanse of time in a mere flicker of moments.
The ironic thing is, conflating any and all criticism of the state of Israel with anti-semitism could be argued as anti-semitic itself, because to suggest that jewish people in general and the Israeli state/military are one in the same such that criticism of the later is also hateful towards the former, is also to suggest that jewish people as a whole are responsible for the actions of Israel.
As cultural groups as a whole are inherently unable to be guilty of crimes (since even if a large number of people belonging to one commit some crime, such a group will also contain members that cannot be guilty of it, like young children), but states and similar entities, being organized and capable of decision-making, can be, then any attempt to link the moral culpability of a state and that of a cultural group is inherently to apply unfair accusations to that group, and thus hateful to it.
I can’t tell you how frustrated I am from this from all directions. The inability to identify different things that are related but not one and the same. Yes, there are valid criticisms of the Israeli government, as with any government, but only some of these criticisms are actually anti-semitic. Not all are, and not all aren’t.
A podcast I listened to explained pretty well how to tell the difference between a valid criticism of Israel and an anti-semitic one:
If someone criticizes a particular action or policy of Israel on the same basis and reasoning that they would criticize any other country in Israel’s shoes, that’s normal. But if someone criticizes Israel’s very existence, or holds Israel to an unattainable higher standard than any other country in history, that’s anti-semitic.
Israel is a nation state for the Jewish nation, and to say that Israel does not have a right to exist is the same as saying that the Jewish nation is not allowed their own nation state. In other words, all nations can have nation states - except Jews. This is transparently anti-semitic. It’s also the exact meaning behind “from the river to the sea” - that leaves no room for the Jewish nation state.
The same reasoning applies when holding Israel to a higher standard: all states are allowed to defend themselves against existential threats to them, and all states are allowed to hold national interests - except Israel the Jewish state. That one is not allowed to have national interests, and it must restrain itself impeccably when fighting against terrorists with human shields. Again, this singles out the nation state for the Jewish people as the only one with less rights, and so is anti-semitic.
But that’s not all criticisms of Israel - far from it! And what frustrates me even more than anti-semitic protests of “from the river to the sea” over the world, is when legitimate criticisms of Israel are disregarded over here by the government and some of the media, grouped together with the less legitimate statements and called out as anti-semitic. IMHO that’s a fool-proof recipe to isolate us from the rest of the western world even more than we already are!
Heck, we know our government deserves criticism. The first half of 2023 had massive protests here aimed squarely at the government.
P.S. for any Hebrew speakers out there, the podcast is this fantastic one and I definitely didn’t do it justice: www.bac.org.il/podcasts/?seriesID=9 and I think it was episode 80.
When I hear Israel has a right to exist because Jewish people need a home, I immediately wonder whether the person saying so would agree that Nazi Germany had a right to exist because German people needed a home. Nazi Germany is gone now and ethnic Germans seem better off for it.
Are the fascists running Israel an ethnic group? No, they’re a bunch of war criminals who should be hanged for their actions so Israel can have some hope of transforming into a decent country whose people acknowledge its crimes.
I’m not going to argue that some of them, Bibi in particular need to be jailed but comparing them to Nazis is blatantly bullshit and if you don’t understand that, please take a trip to aushwitz or the memorial in DC for an education.
I just admitted that israelis have blame… there is no parallel here. Let me know when they start trucking Palestinians in from Jordan and Samaria to get burned up by the thousands.
As savage as this is, from a demographic perspective you’re talking 2% of a population. A population that’s growing faster than any other on the planet. We’re not even talking about it being decimated. By contrast, the Holocaust wiped out 50% of the global Jewish population and it still hasn’t recovered. There’s no comparison and attempting to make one demeans the Holocaust, holomodor and the actual genocides going on right now.
Did you miss the part where I said ““exterminating all non-Jews in the country” isn’t a legitimate interest”?
But yeah, perhaps I should also mention that locking them up, putting them in ghettos, denying them equal opportunity, etc. isn’t a legitimate interest either.
EDIT: apparently I can’t Lemmy, I thought you were replying to me when we were in fact replying to the same comment.
Zionism has had a long and troubled history by this point, and I don’t even know much below the surface. I’ll tell you right up front I view Israel as an apartheid state and I’m not even a leftist. It’s just right out there in the open, for anyone to see.
Here in the US, we have a Christian Nationalism movement that would love to set up exactly what Israel has in “The American Redoubt”, also known as “Greater Idaho”.
Fucking terrifies me and my property isn’t even in their sights for conquest. Building a nation state along ethnic or religious boundaries is wrong in my opinion. I hold that opinion because I’m an American who believes in immigration, mixing of races, and freedom for all. Just the phrase “Jewish nation” makes my skin crawl.
quick edit: of course, all the ethnostates surrounding Israel are immoral in my view also.
Honestly I’m more or less in the same boat - we just happened to have been born in different countries. You’re stuck with yours, I’m stuck with mine. (It’s possible to emigrate but it’s not in most people’s top 10 options)
I’m not religious in the slightest and I barely see myself as part of the Jewish nation - but I do, just barely. It is unfortunately true that anti-semitism is alive and well, and will be for the foreseeable future. Even if I don’t view myself as Jewish, some anti-semites will, and we all know where that could lead. So Israel is the only country in the world where we can know for a fact that the government (police) will protect us from anti-semitism, not to mention won’t take part in it.
Judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity. Even if you discount any validity for the religion - which I wholeheartedly do - the ethnicity still remains, and that’s the “Jewish nation” that I mentioned. Not the religion. Speaking of “different things that are related but not one and the same”…
As for the claims of an ‘apartheid state’ - I don’t have a clear answer, because like everything else about this conflict, it’s complicated. What I can tell you is that Arab citizens of Israel study in the same universities as Jewish students, in the same classrooms. I’ve learned from both Jewish and Arab professors - and maybe other ethnicities that I haven’t noticed. There’s no place that I’ve ever seen with a “no arabs allowed” sign. They get more freedoms and a better quality of life than anywhere else in the middle east. In the written law at the very least, they have equal rights.
That’s not to say it’s all sunshine and roses - of course there’s inequalities, of course there’s injustice. But show me a country that doesn’t have issues like that for a minority population. My vote always goes to a party that strive to reduce these inequalities.
Forgive me for going on the offensive, but since you’re American… How exactly is your govenment making up for the atrocities committed to the native Americans? A very quick search says it’s not all sunshine and roses either… Maybe USA is an apartheid state too?
I don’t want to end on that provocative note, but I’ve run out of thoughts… sorry.
“They get more freedoms and a better quality of life than anywhere else in the middle east. In the written law at the very least, they have equal rights.”
This is a hell of a statement to make.
For an interesting point of view, I recommend a book called “The Hundred Years War on Palestine.” It starts in 1917 and discusses the origins of the state before 1948. It then continues until 2017. I’d honestly like to hear your thoughts if you read it.
there were no “No Irish Allowed” signs during The Troubles either. This conflict, as with all other competing ethnic quarrels, is complex. But it isn’t any more complex than those conflicts. In fact, I’d say that the ongoing conflict in Malaysia is more complex than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Also to address the whataboutism, yes, I’d argue that the US is an apartheid state against the natives. Palestinians are living in a genocidal apartheid state. The treatment of Palestinians by the settlers in the West Bank are a clear sign of this. What recourse do the Palestinians have when an Israeli squats on their house while running out for groceries?
I’m not religious in the slightest and I barely see myself as part of the Jewish nation - but I do, just barely. It is unfortunately true that anti-semitism is alive and well, and will be for the foreseeable future. Even if I don’t view myself as Jewish, some anti-semites will, and we all know where that could lead. So Israel is the only country in the world where we can know for a fact that the government (police) will protect us from anti-semitism, not to mention won’t take part in it.
Which is the chicken-and-egg problem of ethno/theostates, isn’t it? If most/all of a group are isolated to one geographical location, and largely absent from the rest of the world, it becomes easier for hate to spread in that rest of the world, because nobody there has lived experience, can have that moment of “but I know Elsa/Ahmed/Luna/whoever, and they’re decent person” to challenge propaganda when they hear it (and anyone who’s a minority where they live has at least one story of being the cause of such a realisation). But if you’re a group that lives in those little geographical pockets, it becomes that much harder to move out, because you give up your support network and move into an area of potentially hostile people.
And of course, bigots know about this and weaponise it. Speaking as a trans person and noticing the current wave of vile legislation against us in the shit parts of the US, it sure as hell feels like the objective there is to force anyone who can leave to do so, and punish those who can’t, specifically to prevent a sufficient mass of trans people building up that those same deradicalising experiences can happen (hence why the use of a stereotypical trans name in above example). But in a way it’s both better and worse for us, because we aren’t just born into certain bloodlines or cultures, we emerge almost everywhere, so and have to fight to make the whole world queer-friendly, rather than just being able to set up somewhere in a small pocket and let the whole world slowly become most hostile to us in response.
Ya nailed it. See, the thing is here, both of you are citizens of nations where you don’t have a lot of actual personal choice in what your government does to “represent” you, despite both ostensibly being “representative government.”
They’re both apartheid states. I live in one, I didn’t choose to. You live in one, you didn’t choose to.
However, in the case of the US, we don’t keep them all in one single, open-air prison with a giant fence between us and them, and bomb the living shit out of all of them if one of them does something fucked up. Usually, we prosecute that individual.
I’m not saying the US is better, it’s not. Just look at Guantanamo Bay.
But I am saying the situation with Israel and Palestine is way more fucked up, based on the close proximity, how long this has been going on, and things like Netanyahu probably funding Hamas. Netanyahu is just like US conservatives, he’s willing to fund his enemies just so he can keep using them as scapegoats. Netanyahu has been a fucking piece of shit for over twenty fucking years in Israeli politics, and just like the US, we seem to be unable or unwilling to deal with criminal fucking scumbags like him.
Forgive me for going on the offensive, but since you’re American… How exactly is your govenment making up for the atrocities committed to the native Americans? A very quick search says it’s not all sunshine and roses either… Maybe USA is an apartheid state too?
The US was founded on a genocide that didn’t fully stop until the late 20th century. That much is true. We’re not an apartheid state because we don’t have a population of Native Americans who aren’t allowed to leave their designated areas. We do have areas called “Indian Reservations” where Native Americans have limited sovereignty (somewhat comparable to that of a US state), but the people who live there are free to leave and many of them do.
We might very well be an apartheid state if the native population hadn’t been genocided to the point that nobody sees them as a threat, so I’m not claiming any kind of historical moral superiority. And the US government still treats Native American groups badly in a lot of ways, but they’re at least not treated badly enough to inspire them to form terrorist groups, and it’s not because Native American cultures are inherently pacifistic—native attacks on white settlers were quite common in the 1700s and 1800s.
The lesson I take from it is that even people with the worst historical grievances are willing to set them aside if they’re given the same opportunities as everyone else.
and it must restrain itself impeccably when fighting against terrorists with human shields.
A base level of restraint would be fucking fantastic. Israel has killed more journalists in the past 10 weeks than ANYONE has EVER killed in a whole year. They dropped more bombs in a single week than America dropped in an entire year fighting ISIS, and in an area the size of a city. Calling it self defense is whitewashing intentional genocide.
The whole ‘why is Israel singled out?’ is just Israel’s main PR and main excuse for genocide. I find it hard to take anyone seriously when they make such a claim. You can tell them all these facts and they’ll pull out of their ass some other country with a shitty history and say, “OMG why are you holding us Israelis at a different standard?” as if we all forgot how it was after 9/11, how people protested the Iraq War, how no one justifies what Americans did to the natives… These people live in their own reality where everything is skewed and malformed to allow them to live in peace knowing too well they are committing ethnic cleansing and genocide.
I really applaud all the Israelis who refuse to serve in the IDF and who see it for what it is.
I think you’re conflating 2 other things: Religion and culture.
Jews as a religion should absolutely not be allowed their own nation state, just as Islam shouldn’t and Christianity certainly shouldn’t either. In fact, there should be no religion-states at all. One of the fundamental values in democratic societies is freedom of religion; people should be allowed to believe whatever religion they want. Any state that interferes with that right is in violation of one of the basic human rights, and a religion-state is by definition violating that right.
Jews as a culture should absolutely be allowed their own nation state, in fact, that’s what Israel is. Such a state is indeed allowed to have interests, but “exterminating all non-Jews in the country” isn’t a legitimate interest. In fact, you’ll recall that a world war was triggered because a country wanted to exterminate a specific ethnic / religious group not only within their borders but also in their neighbors’ country. Such a state is also allowed to defend itself, but I think it’s normal for a persecuted people to resort to terrorism when other avenues for ending their persecution failed. That doesn’t give the right to the persecuter to persecute even more. You’ll note that we also heavily criticize the US for their “war on terrorism”, and rightly so. Gaza is also not an existential threat to Israel the way Russia is to Ukraine either. There’s a world of difference between the 2 conflicts.
So yeah, I guess I agree with you in part (there’s a difference between Jews in general and the Israeli government), but I really disagree with you on the “Jewish nation” part.
That said, I’m just a random dude from the other side of the world, and I don’t know anything about the specifics of the situation in the country, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
In fact, you’ll recall that a world war was triggered because a country wanted to exterminate a specific ethnic / religious group not only within their borders but also in their neighbors’ country.
WWII was triggered by Nazi Germany’s attempt to take over the world. Ending the Holocaust was just a fortunate side-effect of beating back the Germans and removing the Nazis from power. Nobody in power have a shit about Jews until people started seeing images from the death camps after they were liberated.
Israel has no right to exist where it does right now. No group of people has a right to force others out of their homes to establish a nation for themselves. By your logic if all peoples have a right to establish a nation wherever they see fit then the Roma people can justifiably show up in tel aviv tomorrow and start conquering the place since they have no nation of their own
This is a theoretical moral quandary I’ve tried to determine for myself and have yet to figure out:
How long is “long enough” between when one group forces another group out of its land and when the invading group should/can be accepted as the “rightful” group for that area?
I often point out that some Palestinian people who were forced out of their homes in the creation of Israel are still alive as reasoning for why it’s not right to have Israel exist where it is, so I know that “within a lifetime” is too short. At the same time, I also know that thousands of years (i.e. Israelite homeland) is too long to reclaim land, so I’ve narrowed it down (if you can call it that) to “more than a lifetime, less than a few millennia.”
What about a couple hundred years? Is it when everyone who originally lived on the land has grown old and died? When their children have? Grandchildren?
So much of human history is violence resulting in displacement. I feel like the line has historically been drawn at “when the original group is either wiped out or too weak to say anything anymore,” which is not the moral line for which I’m looking.
I’d be really interested to see what anyone else thinks on this.
Take a look at the effects of colonisation. In 1788 the British First Fleet established a colony in Sydney, land of the Eora Nation, which is now functionally extinct. The following 245 years have led to the near-destruction of the some 200 nations and language groups across the Australian continent. Many are extinct, and genocides (particularly the “Black War” in Tasmania), intermarriage, forbidding indigenous language communication, and disease wiped out most of the rest of the cultural and linguistic heritage of Australia, dating back (in the northern parts east of Darwin at least) up to 65,000 years.
Do the Wiradjuri deserve a state? It would occupy much of NSW and Victoria, if Australia ceded their traditional boundaries. Yet their continuous culture spans far longer than the Jews or Arab Muslims. So I think the answer to your question depends on the circumstances a people have been subjected to, and whether there are enough of them left, with enough resources, to fight the status quo. Ultimately, might makes right, and after the horrors perpetrated by Nazi Germany a mere 80-odd years ago, there were enough European Jews who had fled the genocides, and enough of a nation/diaspora to band together and influence the world after the dust settled. The same cannot be said for the Indigenous Tasmanians, unfortunately, whose culture was annihilated to the point that their languages only exist on early recordings by anthropologists.
Should one be allowed to have a national state if that national state is an ethnostate, practices apartheid, and commits genocide? I’m seriously asking because that is a standard I would hold any country to. And I don’t see how it means that “Jewish people can’t have a homeland”, just that it’s unacceptable to build a homeland on the mass graves of the natives.
and it must restrain itself impeccably when fighting against terrorists with human shields.
Ridiculous. How does that single out Israel? No other nation shoots through 30 members of a single family to kill a “terrorist”. How are Israel held to a different standard?
There are over 20 ethnostates in the immediate region…are you saying none of them have a right to exist or just the Jewish one?
Each of those states is built on Arab imperialism, built on the graves of the natives as you say. Most of them have banned various cultures (including Jews) and commited genocide or are currently involved in one…
Personally I’d put it this way: Every ethnicity is entitled to a place to rightfully call home, a place to feel secure and welcome in. Our Frisian minority here never tried for independence, it just didn’t come up. It’s their rightful home, living there since time immemorial just like the majority, even as a mere district in a state in a federal state in a continental union. Quite literally zero ethnic tensions over the millennia: Sibling tribes, one happens to be numerically dominant. This place to feel secure and welcome in thing though is pretty much incompatible with what Israel is doing right now as with all the shit Kahanites and their stooges and stirrup holders are up to that’s never going to happen, they’ll never feel safe while continuing to antagonise. Fascists and their fucking need for eternal wars. I can still vividly recall when I gave up on Israel (part of my family moved there after the war, solid Labour Zionists): I was sitting on the floor, playing with Lego, listening to the radio, news came on, reported that the fucker killed Rabin.
It’s also the – not really critique, more like a question, that I have towards Germany’s stance on the whole thing: To support Jews having that homeland, sure, of course, but how far do we take this. Can we really call Israel a home for Jews if it’s just some random fascists no Jew elsewhere actually wants to have anything to do with, and do we really have to let it come to that before getting out the chairs for an intervention circle. Kinda waiting for New York Jews to rename a quarter there to Israel to put an end to this fiasco.
No other nation shoots through 30 members of a single family to kill a “terrorist”.
I agree with your argument in general, but hasn’t the US shot drone missiles (accidentally, for certain values of that word) at plenty of civilians as part of its was on terror?
It’s a complex answer to why I’d personally hold a drone operator in 2001ish to a similar but higher standard than a guard at their post, versus the IAF today. The former are working with semi limited/limited information: this uniform = enemy but there’s a dark shape in an alley, there’s the front line of contact but why is that person digging by the roadside, drone rolled up from its 32hr autonomous flight plan and now there’s live intel feed - all limited information. In those scenarios genuine, honest mistakes are possible but always avoidable. That’s the “fog” part of the ‘fog of war’ - making life or death decisions quickly with limited knowledge.
All that doesn’t apply to the IAF right now… The fog is clear now; the ISR and SIGINT capabilities of Israel are very strong, drones and satellites are all over Gaza, the bombing targets are clearly identified along with the “collateral” civilian deaths it will cause:
In the early days of the offensive, the head of its air force spoke of relentless, “around the clock” airstrikes… but he added: “We are not being surgical.”
Describing the unit’s targeting process, an official said: “The operatives of Hamas are not immune – no matter where they hide.”
Multiple sources told the Guardian and +972/Local Call that when a strike was authorised on the private homes of individuals identified as Hamas or Islamic Jihad operatives, **target researchers knew in advance the number of civilians expected to be killed.**Each target, they said, had a file containing a collateral damage score that stipulated how many civilians were likely to be killed in a strike.
That’s no longer an “ooops, well we tried hard to limit civilian deaths” if you’re callous about the human cost to achieve your political/military goals. But as long as they’re not your people I guess?
Yes, it isn’t on the same level as erasing an entire bloodline on a genocidal crusade, but yes. Does that make it okay? Did the US not get shit for that and continue to get shit for that? During this whole war on Gaza, I’ve seen the history of America being used as a tell-tale example of how not to do this or any war ever in the future… And it doesn’t make Israel look any more “stellar”, especially not when it hides behind other atrocities to dilute its own in the eyes of the world. No different than Putin who makes similar remarks on a regular basis.
Pretty much. I wasn’t saying that so much to defend Biden as to agree with the fact that the US has done similar in the past.
I honestly think that Biden is conflicted;
On the one hand, I’m sure that it’s sound geopolitical strategy to support Israel. For the same kind of reasons it’s sound geopolitical strategy to support Ukraine.
On the other hand, Benny McGenocide over there is fucking it up for Biden and everyone else that supported Israel.
Biden reacted too slow, but he also had to balance competing interests. Definitely a no-win situation. He could not have easily stopped support for Israel, and I truly believe that he’s not a fan of the genocide.
His track record for pushing the US into war following 9/11 does reveal his character too. Actions do speak louder than words. It would be interesting to know what exactly was going on in his head back then. I think the conversation with netanyahu is interesting in that it shows what sounds like regret.
You’re right though. He’s done what he’s done. He’ll only ever at best be the least worst option.
The whole situation makes me sick and sad. War crimes answered with war crimes.
Not accidental, coincidental. They had lists of targets and next to each the level of acceptable collateral damage. Afghanistan showed very clearly where that kind of “ah fuck it” attitude leads: Somehow the German-occupied regions were much, much calmer than the US ones. Now you’ll hear Americans say “yeah of course we took the hard tasks and left you the rest” but the thing is: Americans made it hard for themselves. Taliban actually once wrote an apology letter to the Bundeswehr, saying “sorry for attacking your convoy, some idiots of ours confused you for Americans”.
Also due to this people are even more willing to give out awards, since reddit announced that all coins will be removed from your account after September.
Stop trying to make this about Swift being a woman.
She’s getting all this attention about it because her legal team sent a cease and desist letter to the guy tracking her jet threatening him with legal action over priding publically available tracking information.
Na, she is getting this attention because some very powerful people, who benefit from producing a lot of greenhouse gases, would prefer that everyone be mad at T Swift instead of them.
Or, the much more likely thing that private jet usage has become a big talking point on the inter etc recently and swift having by far the biggest jet emission footprint of any celebrity.
Oh yeah, I agree, it is an interesting talking point. But If you have the goal of reducing green house gas emission, is memeing on T Swift the best target for that? Don’t get me wrong it is hilarious. I just get really frustrated when people say they are doing it for the environment, when what they are doing is mostly ineffectual and playing into the desires of the major polluters (who are very wealthy).
So in my mind, either a large group of online environmentalist have decided to be less effective at working towards their goal for no reason. Or there is a significate astroturfing thing going on here. Given that oil companies have done this kind of thing multiple times in the past, I think I have a reasonable assumption. I smell bullshit and I am calling it.
How does this make her “actions wrong”? Because you disagree?
Yes, it’s legal for him to do what he’s doing, but it is also legal (and completely reasonable) for Swift to challenge that right because she fears for her safety. This is literally what our legal system is for.
There are a lot of insane people out there (and most of them tracking Swift’s plane at this moment are right wing psychopaths that wish her harm). I really can’t fucking blame her for wanting to do something about it.
Musk isn’t receiving credible rape and death threats at nearly the level of Swift (if he is at all, let’s be real) by people who are known for following through on such threats.
Look, I even empathize a little with Musk regarding that specific situation. If I were in his shoes, I also wouldn’t want an app like that to exist. I don’t think his situation warrants any kind of action to stop it because it’s really just an inconvenience for him. And he knew that it’s just an inconvenience, so how he handled himself from day to day didn’t really change.
For Swift, this is legitimate fear. I don’t know if you’ve ever experienced actual fear for your life, but it’s crippling, and it effects your psyche.
To experience that on a daily basis because of an app? You bet your goddamn ass I’m going to talk to my lawyers about what my options are.
i linked your comment in the original post because yeah. this is the fact that no one gets.
the public information was available for ages and the cease and desist only happened after fox news et al sicced their rabid hoards on her.
we can still debate whether legal action was the “correct” option, but if you think it wasn’t understandable, or counts as “harassment” somehow, it’s because you have never been in the shoes of a woman who lives her whole life in fear.
How is knowing at what airport an airplane is, public information that anyone can just pull up and find without that much know how, a massive risk to safety.
And if it is, hpw is she going to stop them from dping the neglegable research themselves
It’s not about it being public information. There’s tons of shit that’s “public information,” and available to get, but there are steps that need to be taken to get it. Some more steps than others. Kind of like a soft “paywall” of sorts (minus the pay) that makes it so the internet isn’t just inundated with data constantly. And sometimes, get this, you can even be denied requests for information that’s “publicly available” if, for example, t’s deemed that you shouldn’t have it for whatever reason. But I digress…
Just because something is “publicly available information” doesn’t mean it just gets broadcasted all over the internet to anyone with a Facebook account that the algorithm knows is a hateful conservative.
It’s a joke that people are pretending that this is about free speech or something, and not about making it easier to constantly harass and threaten.
It’s about it being targeted at one specific person, and it’s about the people who are doing the targeting (which differentiates it from the Musk situation). No, not the college student who made the app, before you go there to try to undercut this argument. I’m not talking about him.
I’m talking about the people who would use a tool, that they found in their far right/conservative/republican/fascist echo chamber bubble to threaten rape and death to another human being and their loved ones.
And if it is, hpw is she going to stop them from dping the neglegable research themselves
This is kind of the crux of it, isn’t it? These people are being whipped into a frenzy by whatever hate-media they consume, and without a Fox News or Tucker Carlson or whomever else to steer that frenzy toward Taylor Swift and this app, then that info would have remained “public knowledge” behind a simple search as it probably should be.
The college kid who made the app is just a tool (witting or not).
No what I mean is the FAA has a very easy registry search, and then I go to any number of FOSS aircraft trackers and I can now find the aircraft by redgistry number. that took me what 10 minutes and I was done? no need for an app. The FAA does it because its public information the plane trackers do it because plain spotting is a genuine hobby (and public information) I am someone who holds this hobby. So taking this app down does basicly nothing, it turns 2 simple steps into 1 simple step
Ontop of this, it is unreasonable to send a LEGAL team out to send a threat when no laws a broken, in some states that is an illegal act, a request from her to stop sure is reasonable (and its reasonable for him to refuse).
It doesn’t matter how easy the search is to you or I… The people who have found this tool (or made it, I don’t know. Don’t want to accuse the student of anything untoward) are distributing it to people who would have otherwise:
never even knew such a possibility exists,
had no fucking idea how to even begin finding that information themselves regardless of how simple it may seem to you and I, and,
not have even had the idea to use the information that way in the first place.
This is basic transparency on the part of the FAA. They disseminate this information to keep track of things, and for research purposes. It was never intended to be used in this way.
In fact, if anything significant comes out of this, it would be to limit what info the FAA makes public (and it will skew toward private jets of course). So in the long run this will probably have the opposite effect of what you want.
While yes it will likely remove public access that is more so because that is what capital has been wanting for a while, not only that but I would argue that this is part of the intended use case, to keep track of who is using our air ways and how often. Just because its not often thought of does not mean it is not right proper or intended.
Lol it’s funny how quickly this place became reddit. There were maybe three weeks or so there where people here actually understood and cared about nuance…
So you think it’s perfectly moral for the ultra wealthy to abuse the legal system to threaten and bully random people into submission because they are ruining the billionaires image?
And again to reiterate, this is all publically available information, anyone who wants to track her jet can do so without the tracker that guy set up. She has no legal standing in her actions.
So you think it’s perfectly moral for the ultra wealthy to abuse the legal system to threaten and bully random people into submission because they are ruining the billionaires image?
Lol yeah bud, that’s what I said.
Dude, I understand it’s public information. I understand that current law (probably rightfully) allows air traffic to be tracked, including private jets.
I was simply doing something that you’re clearly incapable of, and empathizing (you remember empathy right?) with her position. A position that is markedly different than Musk’s, given that she receives a constant stream of legitimate death threats from people known to be violent; she has valid reason to fear for her life right now. I think I would probably do similar in such a situation.
I don’t think it’s “wrong” for her to seek to do what she can to protect herself, and that includes this.
The argument that “what they’re doing is legal” is pretty stupid too… I’m not even saying that I disagree that it should be legal, but how do you think laws change? The boundaries of them get tested in courts. This is not an abuse of the legal system, this is using it as intended.
There’s no way musk doesnt get nearly a billion death threats per day, but when your job is to be known by as many people as possible, it scales up the good and the bad.
But if either of them are having a bad day I’m sure they can dry their tears with a couple hundred dollar bills and sue some more poor people into dust (completely legally!) to make themselves feel better
I would bet my next paycheck that Taylor Swift gets at least one order of magnitude more death threats on a daily basis than Elon Musk. At least.
Let’s just say there are certain demographics that tend to lash out in that manner, and they seem to overlap quite a bit with Musk fans.
And yeah dude, I get it. They’re billionaires, it’s hard to empathize. I agree to a point that they should shut the fuck up and just wipe their tears away with $100 bills. But in this case, when we’re talking about legitimate threats against her life constantly, by people who have shown to be very capable of carrying out such threats, then I can start to see why she is doing what she’s doing. Just because she’s got money doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve to live a life free from that kind of fear.
There’s plenty of data that you could find in 3 seconds if you actually wanted. The overwhelming majority of domestic terror in the US is committed by the right. See below for sources.
Conservatives don’t exactly have a large playbook. This has basically been their go-to move for a while now. Probably because it often works.
Anyone that’s been paying any attention whatsoever would have noticed that it’s only really a specific type of person that gets the: “torment the person and their family with actionable threats 24 hours a day until their overwhelming stress and valid fear for the safety of themselves and the ones they love until they shut the fuck up and/or stop doing the specific thing they’re doing” treatment…
Curiously the target always seems to be whatever the current conservatives zeitgeist is rally against. Surely just another coincidence
Shit, female Twitch streamers get these kinds of threats just for being a woman that’s existing.
I can’t wait until the concept of “SWATting” makes its way to conservative boomer Facebook 🙄
I would bet my next paycheck that Taylor Swift gets at least one order of magnitude more death threats on a daily basis than Elon Musk. At least.
I worked in video games, and at one company there were five game designers, one of them a woman, the rest men.
I think she got a death/rape/etc threat once a week. One of the other designers had never even been messaged, and another designer was also the Community Manager. So, despite one guy being the literal face of the company, the single named woman on the design team got almost every single threat.
She left the industry, which is worse for it, but I don’t think anyone thought she made the wrong choice.
That is in fact, literarily, what you are saying and what you are continuing to say in the rest of your comment.
I was simply doing something that you’re clearly incapable of, and empathizing (you remember empathy right?) with her position.
Oh wont somebody please empathise with the poor billionaires that are using the insane wealth to bully people for criticising their insane over-use of private jets.
You guys are doing actual mental backflips to try and make Taylor Swift the victim here and its honestly just kind of sad.
given that she receives a constant stream of legitimate death threats from people known to be violent
And those people could find that same PUBLICALLY AVAILABLE information even without the guy’s tracker. So even if he did take it down, she is in literally no better position when it comes to stalkers.
Literally all getting him to take down the website does is stop people from criticising how much she uses her jet, which hurts her image. Thats it.
Like if she ACTUALLY cared that much about being tracked and her safety she could just charter private jets instead of owning her own. That way no one could track her. But she doesnt, because its not about her safety, its about her image.
This is not an abuse of the legal system, this is using it as intended.
FYI (because apparently this needs to be said), I’ve never once purposefully listened to a Taylor Swift song, and besides maybe two, I couldn’t even tell you if a pop song currently playing is her or not. That’s how little I care about this person’s art/music. My feelings toward her can be described as, at most, ambivalent. I’m definitely neurotic though, but that’s unrelated to this subject.
All I’m doing is empathizing with another human being. Billionaires might be (for the most part, though I’m not sure I can imagine a more ethical way to become one than how she has) awful people, but they’re still people and they deserve basic human rights such as: not being in 24/7 fear for the lives of you and your loved ones because fascists are mad that she told young people to vote.
I’m not even advocating for taking down the site or making the info no longer publicly available. I’m literally just putting myself in her shoes and rationalizing why she did what she did and understanding that I might have done the same.
We seem to be having two completely different conversations here, which I guess I shouldn’t be surprised about given that you clearly can’t comprehend nuance. Your clear hatred for this woman is clouding your ability to be a decent human. Do better.
Lol yeah dude that’s definitely “all you were saying”. You’re being such a reasonable interlocutor 🙄
She’s not harassing an innocent student. I don’t think it really matters to her who created it. She is just doing the one thing she can do that would maybe give her a fraction of a feeling of security back into her life. Something that I bet most of us, including you, would do. A student being involved is irrelevant.
And yeah, I do empathize with that guy as well. Assuming they didn’t create the app specifically for these types of people to be able to harass and endanger her more easily. Which he may have, I don’t really know all the details.
Isn’t that crazy? Empathizing with both people in a situation? Wild right?
Also, this pretending that it’s about giving her shit because of the environmental impact, give me a fucking break. Let’s not waste everyone’s time with that bullshit. Conservatives only “believe” in climate change, when they can use it as a cudgel against someone they feel threatened by. Actually a textbook fascist move (this isn’t a joke, it really is).
You are bending over backwards to excuse what she is doing. and its really just kind of sad.
She is just doing the one thing she can do that would maybe give her a fraction of a feeling of security back into her life.
Like i said last time. If she actually cared so much, she would just charter a jet instead. That would literally solve her whole problem, no one could track her and she would be perfectly safe. But you keep ignoring this point because it doesnt fit dumbass position you’ve argued yourself into where Taylor is just an innocent girl whose scared for her life 🥺 and shes just using her vast wealth to threaten people into doing what she wants because shes sooooo scaaaared.
. Let’s not waste everyone’s time with that bullshit. Conservatives only “believe” in climate change
And now you’re trying to claim everyone critical of her is a conservative? You dont think there are any leftists out here criticising the billionaire for being one the most directly polluting people on the planet?
Empathizing with the guy who programmed it: An unprovoked, targeted campaign of rape threats, death threats and harassment (and the media/legal storm that follows) against another person, all because of some little thing you coded for fun in your free time (again, giving benefit of the doubt)? And then being dragged into all of this? Yeah, I empathize like a motherfucker .
You dont think there are any leftists out here criticising the billionaire for being one the most directly polluting people on the planet?
No, I think the only people who give a shit about this are right wing concern trolls.
Based on the way you’ve been spelling words, it would seem you’re not actually from the US. Perhaps if you lived here, you would understand the real and actual danger this kind of stochastic terrorism as we’re seeing it every single day. Taylor Swift is a figure who has just recently become a major target of hate and actual legitimate death/rape threats from the right because she encouraged young people to vote (no, I wish I was kidding). I don’t think she even endorsed a candidate.
The GOP is so terrified of her; this is a half-assed, stochastic call to violence against a young woman who has done nothing, and this tool has gone way far beyond basic “FAA transparency,” and into tool to target and potentially ruin the lives of people who do not deserve it.
(In case anyone didn’t see my previous comment: not only am I not a Taylor Swift fan, I don’t think I could name more than one or two songs. And if a song of hers came on the radio, I wouldn’t be able to know if it was her or not)
No, I think the only people who give a shit about this are right wing concern trolls.
Then you’re wrong (to nobodies surprise)
Perhaps if you lived here, you would understand the real and actual danger this kind of stochastic terrorism
We literally had Jo Cox, a sitting MP, murdered due to stochastic terrorism, but go off like you know something.
this is a half-assed, stochastic call to violence against a young woman who has done nothing, and this tool has gone way far beyond basic “FAA transparency,” and into tool to target and potentially ruin the lives of people who do not deserve it
Except use private jets so much you’re co2 emissions just from private jet travel for a year is over 1,000x higher than an average person’s total yearly emissions.
And are you going to have the same bleeding heart response when you learn that this started out as a guy tracking Elons jet?
I’m from the US, and I can tell you the biggest threat to the US are billionaires and their special interests.
Someone of the billionaire class like Taylor Swift does more environmental damage in a year than the average US citizen does through their entire lifetime. It is completely valid to call her out on this.
But please, continue to disingenuously call all those critical of Swift a right wing troll. Always easier than acknowledging the nuance of a topic.
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