amoroso, to retrocomputing
@amoroso@fosstodon.org avatar

In this interview Charles Simonyi told the origin of the acronym WYSIWYG in the context of his work at Xerox PARC on the Bravo word processor, see page 21:

https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/2015/06/102702232-05-01-acc.pdf#page=21

Xerox Star ads such as this might have been inspired by the anecdote Simonyi told:

https://interface-experience.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/IE-Star-2.jpg

From here:

https://interface-experience.org/objects/xerox-star-8010-information-system/

By the way, it's an interesting 2008 interview Grady Booch did with Simonyi for a Computer History Museum oral history project.

deadblackclover, to Lisp
@deadblackclover@functional.cafe avatar
amoroso, to retrocomputing
@amoroso@fosstodon.org avatar

I'm curious about Xerox 1980s office workstations like the Star and their document centric systems. And besides I'm a sucker for that black and white aesthetics, so I'm checking out the Dwarf Mesa emulator.

Here the ViewPoint 2.0.5 desktop environment is running in Dwarf under Crostini Linux on my Chromebox. The system is really intuitive and capable, even by today's standards.

https://github.com/devhawala/dwarf

amoroso, to retrocomputing
@amoroso@fosstodon.org avatar

The documentation of the desktop environments of early Xerox office workstations such as the Star describe a kind of modal GUI element, the "property sheet". This is what later came to be more widely known as a "dialog box" or just "dialog".

amoroso, to retrocomputing
@amoroso@fosstodon.org avatar

The papers in this anthology, published in 1984, describe the technologies and vision Xerox had for its office workstations, user interfaces, software, development environments, networks, and peripherals.

Office Systems Technology
A Look into the World of the Xerox 8000 Series Products: Workstations, Services, Ethernet, and Software Development
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/xerox/8010_dandelion/OSD-R8203A_Xerox_Office_System_Technology_Jan1984.pdf

heiglandreas, to random
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

So I can buy a printer including toner for 300 euros. A full set of replacement toner will cost me 390 euros...

Find the flaw,

antlerboy, to random
@antlerboy@mastodon.social avatar

With the ease of creating versions of text that ChatGPT brings, whoever invents a system that can easily allow you to compare and merge or rewrite or swap out text by the chunk will do really well! Does any such product exist?

PSiReN,

@antlerboy

I use for ... what you mean by "easily allow"...

🧙🎠​​​🤖:wolfparty:​🤖​🎠​🧙 | 🎈​🦹:fediverse:​🦄​​​:fediverse:​🦹🎈

"Documenter" — Sales Training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Tl8v9euJE

gfkdsgn, to cs German
@gfkdsgn@burma.social avatar

1973 as one of the defining information technologies in modern communication was developed at by Chuck Thackers for s. What Bob Metcalf, Butler Lampson, and Dave Boggs built for the is connecting us all today— via the , & @fediverse.

So, in 2023 this one of the and worth to look back into PARC development with a tech video...
https://youtu.be/T9On2L0-ObU
The @art work is a tribute and part of the series, made with @inkscape by

jwildeboer, (edited ) to random
@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net avatar

My name is Jan Wildeboer, I own a Brother laser printer that JustPrints(tm) since many years and I support this message :)

(and should you think that screenshot is fake — it isn't: https://www.theverge.com/23642073/best-printer-2023-brother-laser-wi-fi-its-fine )

H/T https://0w0.is/objects/6827014a-a2be-457f-bab8-af8c4ce51b8a

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@jwildeboer Personally I still have a #DeskJet6122 to this day and it refuses to die or have issues.

I'm likely gonna get myself some used / refurbished #Xerox #WorkCentre once it will die...

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@jwildeboer Personally I installed multifunction lasers everywhere and I still rock my because it wasn't yet and it refuses to die to this day...

> !

SDF, to retrocomputing
@SDF@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

Saturday only we'll have a Xerox Alto thanks to Ian Finder at the Interim Computer Festival to celebrate

https://sdf.org/icf

5SpeedFun, to linux

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  • kkarhan,
    @kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

    @5SpeedFun some may be good options.

    You'll likely fknd something like the used for way under $300 (those got sold for like €350 about 10 yrs ago new)....

    They just work, eating as well as scan/mail/fax & print to/from on USB, eMail and SMB shares...

    Not to mention their drvers support everything from MS-DOS, Solairs and AIX to macOS 7 and up and OFT Windows from 95 up and Linux...

    The latter one doesn't even need extra drivers, just plug & play.

    SinclairSpeccy, to retrocomputing

    "Next, we are going to steal... a Sun Microsystems server! And once the server is mine, I will have access to all of the world's data. I will be able to control the global economy, the stock market, and even the nuclear launch codes. I will be the most powerful sys admin of all time!"

    astralcomputing,
    @astralcomputing@twit.social avatar

    @SinclairSpeccy

    still uses those ones on the top shelf today for front and "rips" (Raster Image Processors) on their printers.

    (Think really big 90-150 page per minute color printers)

    heiseonline, to CrystalsHashtags German

    Offen für alle, aber Details verschweigen – zum Tod von John Warnock

    John Warnock war einer der Gründer von Adobe. Als "Vater" von Postscript veränderte er das Druckwesen erheblich. Nun ist er im Alter von 85 Jahren gestorben.

    https://www.heise.de/news/Offen-fuer-alle-aber-Details-verschweigen-zum-Tod-von-John-Warnock-9268589.html?wt_mc=sm.red.ho.mastodon.mastodon.md_beitraege.md_beitraege

    blakespot, to apple

    All about Xerox PARC from The Chip Letter.

    PARC is one of the richest slices of computing history. And the mentioned Hiltzik book is one of the best computing history books I've read.

    https://thechipletter.substack.com/p/chip-letter-links-no-21-xerox-parc

    matt, to microsoft
    @matt@oslo.town avatar

    We have a top-of-the-range machine here in the office...

    ...but it's set up so that there are very few options on there and anything you scan is harshly reduced in resolution, quality, and file-size.

    Just tried to scan a photo at the best possible resolution and it looks like it was taken on a web cam in the 90s.

    Utterly useless for anything other than scanning letters.

    njudah, (edited ) to random
    @njudah@sfba.social avatar

    This photo is the Norman Rockwell moment for SF 2023:

    kkarhan,
    @kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

    @himbovoorhees @lori @Aglaia89 @njudah

    I'm just gald that stuff works with everything out of the box - including even ancient and latest distros...

    The only machines with better compatibility are and Laser machinces, cuz those even come with , and drivers for obscure stuff like 7.x and ...

    sinituulia, to random
    @sinituulia@eldritch.cafe avatar

    Does anybody have anything to say about printers as a whole? I had a nice 7 year old workhorse of a Canon printer whose Obsolescence Chip gave up the ghost today. Looking into it, Epson seems to be the only home office calibre manufacturer that still lets you use the same universal ink cartridges instead of a dozen different non-interchangeable and non-refillable ones?

    kkarhan,
    @kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

    @sinituulia personally, and noone should even consider buying one - from no manufacturer.

    Get yourself a colour laser and if you dislike the yellow microdots, either get a B&W one or print on yellow paper...

    Cuz all good printers are decades-long out of production...

    jk, to random
    @jk@mastodon.social avatar

    portrait orientation TVs are gonna be the big new thing i reckon

    • popular with the under-25s
    • ideal for watching tiktoks which will be the only form of media in the future
    • save space on the narrow walls of your tiny 2020s-style apartment
    • touch-screen version can be used to order mcdonalds
    acousticmirror,
    @acousticmirror@post.lurk.org avatar

    @jk The ghost of the , coming back to haunt us.

    WoodooProd, to oldcomputers French
    @WoodooProd@mastodon.cloud avatar

    The invention of the GUI, especially in the form of windows, icons, menus, and pointer (WIMP), controlled by a mouse, occurred at Xerox PARC in the 1970s, on the Alto, a computer with a bitmapped graphics display designed to be used by a single person, i.e. a “personal computer..

    https://computerhistory.org/blog/the-lisa-apples-most-influential-failure/

    ovid, to opensource
    @ovid@fosstodon.org avatar

    Since I've been using heavily the past week or so, I thought it was time to write up my experience. You might find it surprising.

    https://ovid.github.io/articles/using-github-copilot-with-vim.html

    mjgardner,
    @mjgardner@social.sdf.org avatar

    @barubary @randomgeek Yep. See https://www.theverge.com/2013/8/6/4594482/xerox-copiers-randomly-replacing-numbers-in-documents

    Full account of copiers mangling numbers here: https://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres_are_switching_written_numbers_when_scanning

    They used the image format’s lossy “pattern matching & substitution” method that substitutes previously-encoded characters if they look enough like the one currently being encoded.

    This is a great analogy to how -based “” works.

    stylus, to random

    yup zork works on my xerox 820. 😁

    today also checked out the drive box that my friend had bought at the same state sale. That "A" drive can only seek one way, "B" drive seems to work. We didn't undertake any major corrective action today (especially as he doesn't have a computer to hook it to) just put it back together and made a mental note.

    we also figured out that probably the disks he's interested in archiving (or at least inspecting) are double sided, which is incompatible with all our drives 😢

    stylus, to random

    I've successfully copied disk images from my Xerox 820 to a Linux PC using some custom CP/M software!

    I did it by writing a program in C(!) on my linux computer, transporting it over by xmodem, and then running it to transport the image data in a slightly customized ihex format over the serial port.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9JUau13qdo

    peter, to random
    @peter@area51.social avatar

    The Xerox PARC file system archive is now available at the

    It contains a large archive of material from 1970 to the late 1980's including innovations like

    The background of this is available here https://computerhistory.org/blog/a-backup-of-historical-proportions/

    Direct link (requires registration)
    https://info.computerhistory.org/xerox-parc-archive

    jbzfn, to random
    @jbzfn@mastodon.social avatar

    「 Broadly speaking, the PARC researchers set out to explore possible technologies for use in what Xerox had tagged “the office of the future.” They aimed to develop the kind of computing hardware and software that they thought could be both technologically and economically possible, desirable, and, perhaps to a lesser extent, profitable in about 10 to 15 years 」
    — Spectrum IEEE


    https://spectrum.ieee.org/xerox-alto

    billjanssen,
    @billjanssen@writing.exchange avatar

    @jbzfn
    It was fun while it lasted, but the folks at Xerox proper didn't seem to know what they wanted to do. Read Paul Strassman's book for a view of the situation from Rochester.

    https://www.amazon.com/Computers-Nobody-Wanted-Years-Xerox/dp/1427632707

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