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atomicpoet, (edited ) to internet
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

is finally testing federation with "allow-listed servers".

They're finally taking the step of decentralization.

Many people will naysay this. But it's absolutely better that they move to decentralization than not do it.

https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/5-5-2023-federation-architecture

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

For those who are technically inclined, this is how federation through 's AT protocol will work.

It depends on three things:

  1. Personal Data Server (PDS)
  2. Big Graph Service (BGS)
  3. App Views

This seems quite different from how federation through ActivityPub works.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

The response to this thread on Bluesky seems to be, “Saying that regular people should be able to afford a BGS is like saying they should afford to operate a web search engine”.

Indeed, that’s what I’m saying.

Funny enough, the Searx project makes this possible.

https://searx.github.io/searx/

atomicpoet, to fediverse
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

I'm curious. Could AT protocol be used for something like or ?

Or is it only meant for microblogging?

chadkoh,

@atomicpoet It is meant to power any kind of social network. The team has even used analogies like Insta and YouTube. So, yes!

MetalSamurai,
@MetalSamurai@mas.to avatar

@atomicpoet I don’t see why not, but it would probably take some thought to do properly. All of each user’s data is held inside the one PDS blob - the signed merkle tree. The idea is it can be easily synced between client and multiple servers by walking the tree. Once you start stuffing multi megabyte chunks in there you’ll start hitting all sorts of unexpected performance issues.

atomicpoet, (edited ) to fediverse
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I don't think it's wrong for other Fediverse projects, besides Mastodon, to exist.

Especially since so many of them predate Mastodon.

, which is what is based off, predates Mastodon by two years!

Friendica started in 2010.

GNU Social is even older.

It's wild to me that so many folks believe Mastodon = Fediverse.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

People are really looking at the Fediverse with Western eyes and aren't considering the fact that in Japan, is many peoples' first exposure to the Fediverse.

is building on what Misskey has already made. But really, Calckey is exposing the West to the world of *key apps.

chris,

@atomicpoet I'm old enough to remember when Push Computing was supposed to be the Next Big Thing, and it collapsed under its own weight due to corporate interests building their own proprietary stacks that never achieved the the critical mass to survive.

Two decades later, ActivityPub looks like the protocol to FINALLY realize that potential, so thinking in such narrow terms of this just being social networking really misses the larger point. I see it as changing things the same way RSS did.

atomicpoet, to random
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

*key apps are not a new development on the Fediverse.

Misskey itself started in 2014. It predates Mastodon by two years.

Again: *key apps are the 2nd largest platform on the Fediverse, and the fastest growing too.

sysop408,
@sysop408@sfba.social avatar

@atomicpoet

Wow, this whole time I thought you were talking about a math or accounting oriented SAAS with social features.

I got some things to explore then…

@thatonecalculator

MrLee,
@MrLee@aus.social avatar

@atomicpoet
I've tried many Social Media Apps over the years, and they all disappointed because there was very little going on there.
But I still kept trying because I'm curious. Now, if you develop a new Fediverse Social Media App, there is already a huge community baked in and waiting.
That's why I think we are heading for interesting times in the Fediverse because all these developers are having a go and are now building on a large and growing community.

atomicpoet, to fediverse
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Today is the day I talk about what is and what it does. 🧵

In this thread, I will explore what I believe to be the most important features of Calckey.

SPOILER ALERT: While Calckey focuses on microblogging, that's where its similarities with (and ) end.

@fediversenews

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Galleries is another key feature.

Calckey allows you to add, curate, and write a description of user-made collection of images.

Here's an example of one person's gallery:

https://calckey.social/gallery/9e32jx7lu9

See screenshot of this gallery.

shoq,
@shoq@mastodon.social avatar

@atomicpoet @nyquildotorg Any experienced writers who would like to volunteer for the Calckey documentation team, that project is about to get better organized. We could use you. Please DM Chris or me.

atomicpoet, to fediversenews
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If you're trying to sign up for https://calckey.social, you may have noticed there's a notice saying that registrations are disabled above the registration form. This notice is not accurate.

It is actually a bug, and I've filed it as one in the repo:

https://codeberg.org/calckey/calckey/issues/10033

If you want to join https://calckey.social, ignore that notice and continue with your registration.

Here's a screenshot of the bug in question.

See also: https://calckey.social/notes/9eegkseedn

@fediversenews

gdiak,

@atomicpoet

Apart from the UI and some features (quotes, markdown, reactions, etc) I don’t see any major difference.

If you want simplicity/minimalism you go for mastodon. If you want more fancy (and more feature) staff you go for calckey

@godofbiscuits

petrescatraian,

@atomicpoet Whaaa, are you able to get invitation codes for Calckey servers? How does this work? How many can one get?

atomicpoet, to random
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Hey Fediverse, what do you think is the biggest difference between Mastodon and *key apps?

josheron,
@josheron@mastodon.social avatar

@atomicpoet yep, I know .social is growing recently, so it was expected. I'm thankful for the efforts the admins are doing to escalate the server. The same happened to me when joined pixelfed.social before.

Other than that, loving the Calckey and Pixelfed

natriumchloride,

@atomicpoet oh i thought it was closed for registration. I'll check it out

atomicpoet, to fediversenews
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Good news!

https://calckey.social is now accepting new account registrations!

If you've been patiently waiting to join us, wait no more! We're open!

Our wonderful head dev @kainoa will be watching the server for the next few hours ensuring a great experience for everyone!

Welcome aboard!

https://calckey.social/notes/9edsi7j1f0

@fediversenews

MetalSamurai,

@DrSprockets @MetalSamurai @mathias

Yes. This reply sent using Kimis (and my CalcKey alt account).

liaizon,
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

@MetalSamurai @mathias @atomicpoet @DrSprockets @MonaApp @kainoa wow thanks for the post this looks awesome I just tried it!

atomicpoet, to fediversenews
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

This take is annoying.

But it's also not entirely @gruber's fault because the media doesn't really talk about the Fediverse, and when they do, it's as a synonym for "Mastodon".

How would @gruber know about the massive development efforts to build more user-friendly alternatives to Mastodon?

No one in the media talks about the growth of *key apps, and how they're now the #2 most used Fediverse platform.

That story isn't being told.

https://mastodon.social/@gruber/110314382066961654

@fediversenews

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Whenever I tell people that Mastodon isn't the Fediverse, the Mastodon stans start saying, "Oh, you sound like a guy who's complains that Linux isn't called GNU/Linux."

No, there's a massive difference.

To most people, whether you call something Linux or GNU/Linux doesn't affect the user experience of using the OS.

Referring to the Fediverse as "Mastodon" definitely affects the user experience of using Mastodon.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

If Mastodon users don't know about the Fediverse, they don't know why the messages they receive look wonky sometimes.

"Why is this guy allowed to post with more than 500 characters?" they often wonder.

"Why are there links in this post? Why can't I see things that other people can?" they'll ask.

And then they realize, "Hey, that guy can quote post! I thought Mastodon didn't allow that! How is that possible?"

Well, yeah, because those deviations require the context of the Fediverse.

atomicpoet, to fediversenews
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Here's the problem.

Recent growth on mastodon.social is greater than the growth rate of November 2022.

But growth on other servers, like mstdn.social, has flatlined.

This has been confirmed to me by numerous Mastodon server admins.

Very concerning!

@fediversenews

Growth of mstdn.social

selea,

@atomicpoet @fediversenews

And it is because they claim that people are confused when they are going to chose a server.

I personally, think that changing the word "server" to "community" during the signup process would make the process easier for new users (I think/hope).

darnell,
@darnell@one.darnell.one avatar

@atomicpoet @oblomov One simple solution to this that maybe @Gargron could consider: have the app cycle through numerous different instances (say 100) as the default sign up instead of just @Mastodon.

This would make on boarding easy for the user as well as promo decentralization at the same time. Of course, the other admins would have to agree to receiving a lot of traffic.

Plus it would be helpful if those instances had “mastodon” in their name to avoid confusing new users.

atomicpoet, to fediversenews
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

The *oma apps (Pleroma/Akkoma) are really exceptionally good as single-user servers, excellent for low-spec hardware.

I run a Pleroma server. In a few months, I may migrate to Akkoma, though.

@fediversenews

Cassandra,

@jupiter_rowland @mathias https://thias.hellqui.st/users/m @luca
I am aware that Mast, *oma, and *key are separate things that run on AP. I didn't understand that when I got here, and I imagine most people don't. The only thing I was confused about is how you could run Akkoma with a Mast front end--since they are different. I was expressing what I thought new users might be confused about.

I hope you're not always that harsh with people who don't understand how the Fediverse works.

jupiter_rowland,

@Cassandra Ah, okay. No, that's often a very effective style of telling those who are still fully convinced that the Fediverse is only Mastodon that this is not the case.

But I think I recall having read something about Akkoma supporting the Mastodon API. That, and there are some more general-purpose apps to the point that you can connect them to just about everything that's neither Hubzilla nor (streams).

atomicpoet, to random
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

It's been 5 months, and people are still boosting this post.

I'm not linking to this because my server doesn't need to get Fedi-DDoS'd again.

atomicpoet, to random
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar
atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

@76c71aae3a491f1d9eec47cba17e22@mostr.pub Calckey is a Misskey app, and thus part of the *key family of apps. Like Misskey, it uses ActivityPub.

rymecity,

@atomicpoet Have you got a seperate account for calckey? I'd love to log in with my Madtodon account if I could

atomicpoet, to random
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Where else but on the Fediverse can we debate whether or not the mixture of ketchup and mustard is a violation of God’s divine plan?

jantheowassink,
@jantheowassink@chaos.social avatar

@atomicpoet As if the existence of k***hup wouldn't qualify on its own 🫣😎

gustav,
@gustav@jkpg.rocks avatar

@atomicpoet I kind of like to mix mustard and ketchup. Balances the sweetness and bitterness

atomicpoet, to random
@atomicpoet@mastodon.social avatar

Queen was a heavy metal band.

Queen contained Mercury, and Mercury has the atomic weight of 200.59 u—which is a heavier metal than gold, tungsten, and iron.

ragnell,

@atomicpoet Mercury is also a god.

Gothfarts,

@atomicpoet

why am i the only person that likes posts like these whats wrong with me

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