Bluesky and AT protocol

o_simardcasanova,
@o_simardcasanova@mastodon.social avatar

Let’s start another , this time on upcoming and new features on .

Megathreads are open ended threads where I share relevant information about a specific topic.

Bluesky will soon have proper DMs, video, better auth (via OAuth), better custom feeds, and even more anti-harassment features.

https://bsky.social/about/blog/05-07-2024-product-roadmap

1/n

o_simardcasanova,
@o_simardcasanova@mastodon.social avatar

Not a feature, but an interesting post by Jay Graber, the CEO of .

How involved was before he left the board? Not that much, it turns out.

It has always been misleading to present Bluesky as the “platform of Jack Dorsey”. It’s also sexist, as once again, the work of a talented woman was wrongfully attributed to a very mediocre man. The tech version of the Matilda effect.

https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3krxdfy6koc22

2/n

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

So I just tried opting into (https://brid.gy/mastodon/@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org).

I found it confusing. For one thing, it asks me for my Mastodon account. Though Akkoma uses Mastodon’s API, not all sites recognize this nor support it—I don’t know if BridgyFed would reject.

Secondly, it’s not clear how to opt in. I think I opted in but there was nothing to say “Congrats! People from can see you!”

Also, how do I receive posts? That’s not apparent to me.

@fediversenews

olav,
@olav@theweird.space avatar

@atomicpoet
@fediversenews

If it helps I'm at least as confused. Hopefully the light of dawn will bring more clarity

cragsand,
@cragsand@mastodon.social avatar

@atomicpoet @fediversenews

To enable and opt-in you follow this account: @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy
That will start mirroring and federate your ActivityPub account over the ATProtocol and assign a DID.

Then the counterpart for BlueSky you follow:
https://bsky.app/profile/ap.brid.gy
And it will start mirroring your ATProtocol account as an ActivityPub account.

AT to AP seems more seamless since AP has more features. Truncating long posts for example looks ugly. The plan is to thread them eventually.

ilumium,
@ilumium@eupolicy.social avatar

I'm still trying to figure out whether 's departure is a good thing or a bad thing for .

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/5/24149543/jack-dorsey-gone-bluesky-board

silmathoron,
@silmathoron@floss.social avatar

@ilumium why would it be bad?

Tim_Eagon,
@Tim_Eagon@dice.camp avatar

@silmathoron @ilumium His departure could impact their funding.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

tip: if you're running some kind of company/org account that's posting to Twitter/Mastodon etc. and you could consider posting to Bluesky too, but you need to integrate it into some existing system, there is a command line tool someone wrote here: https://github.com/mattn/bsky - it should be possible to integrate it with anything that lets you run a shell command. Handles images, link facets etc.

jglypt,
@jglypt@mastodon.social avatar

@mackuba yeah

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar
amministratore, Italian
@amministratore@mastodon.uno avatar

In questi giorni è stato aggiornato e migliorato il bridge con bluesky.

Cos'è ? È una rete decentralizzata come il , , . Tutti sono open source e si parlano fra loro solo con l'uso di Bridge.

BridgyFed permette di federare un singolo account con bluesky,

Quindi chi volesse essere seguito da utenti Bluesky basta che segua: @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy

Chi volesse invece rimanere isolato non deve fare nulla, tutti gli account su M1 sono isolati di default!

super_user_do,

@amministratore
Ma bluesky non usciva fuori dallo stesso capitalismo di sorveglianza che tanto cirtichiamo?
@bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy @informapirata

informapirata,
@informapirata@mastodon.uno avatar

@super_user_do ni... 😁

In realtà, Bluesky è un'applicazione basata su un protocollo aperto e documentato (AT protocol) e che, benché sia ad oggi incompatibile con il fediverso, consente comunque la federazione tra più server.

Il progetto quindi è molto interessante e presenta un profilo etico accettabile.

Visto che sei su Poliverso, sappi che Friendica supporta già un'estensione per usare Bluesky, ma c'è ancora bisogno di disporre di un account

@amministratore @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy

fromjason,
@fromjason@mastodon.social avatar

BREAKING: BlueSky announces Skeletor as newest board member; Andreessen Horowitz unavailable.

docpop,
@docpop@mastodon.social avatar

Jack Dorsey referred to Twitter, the privately owned company that blocked links to competing social media platforms like Mastodon, as "freedom technology". What a clown.

He also deleted his account on Bluesky announced he's no longer on Bluesky's board of directors. Jack's involvement was one of the reasons I was never excited about , TBH.

https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/05/jack-dorsey-says-hes-no-longer-on-the-bluesky-board/?guccounter=butts

docpop,
@docpop@mastodon.social avatar

@someguyjg @John yeah, I think that lack of logic is on display here too. He deleted his bluesky account, then signed into twitter to talk about how important it is that we all use open protocols.

ramsey,
@ramsey@phpc.social avatar

@docpop @blogdiva My opinion is that he gave up on Bluesky sometime in the middle of last year because Jay and team actually began caving to the community’s demands for some level of moderation, and Jack seemed to disagree vehemently with the notion they should moderate anything.

futuroprossimo, Italian
@futuroprossimo@mastodon.uno avatar

Jack Dorsey, il co-fondatore di Twitter, volta le spalle alla sua creazione Bluesky per riavvicinarsi alla galassia di X e al suo vecchio amico Elon Musk. È una mossa sorprendente, che scuote l'intero panorama dei social. Questa riconciliazione (con tanto di endorsement a X come "tecnologia di libertà") potrebbe ridisegnare le future dinamiche di potere nel mondo digitale. Che bolle in pentola?

https://www.futuroprossimo.it/2024/05/colpo-di-scena-jack-dorsey-molla-bluesky-e-si-riavvicina-a-x-e-a-musk/

filippodb,
@filippodb@mastodon.uno avatar

@futuroprossimo io faccio riferimento a questo articolo di techcrunch che riassume perfettamente la situazione:

https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/05/jack-dorsey-says-hes-no-longer-on-the-bluesky-board/

che si riavvicini a twitter mi
sembra un po' forzato rimane sempre un sostenitore di sistemi decentralizzati e rispettosi della privacy come nostr, bitcoin e tor.

Sulle dichiarazione qua in fondo all'articolo è ben riassunto: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/jack-dorsey-calls-x-freedom-140200048.html?guccounter=1

futuroprossimo,
@futuroprossimo@mastodon.uno avatar

@filippodb grazie Filippo! Sempre prezioso. Leggo e aggiorno l'articolo ❤️

StefanMuenz, German
@StefanMuenz@vivaldi.net avatar

Falls jemand Interesse hat, CEO von zu werden - da wäre gerade eine Stelle vakant ;-)
https://www.heise.de/news/Kurznachrichtendienst-Jack-Dorsey-kehrt-Bluesky-den-Ruecken-9708813.html

OchMensch,
@OchMensch@norden.social avatar

@StefanMuenz Upsi...

kubikpixel,
@kubikpixel@chaos.social avatar

@OchMensch @StefanMuenz nun wurden die news auf DE übersetzt ;)

:mastodon: https://chaos.social/@kubikpixel/112392792693472840

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

Mastodon when launches: "it's Jack's social network"

Mastodon when told that Jack is not the CEO and doesn't own or control it: "but he's still on the board"

Mastodon when Jack leaves the board: "well Bluesky is dead now since Jack left"

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@ku1ik I'm not completely sure if it was his idea to start it or someone else's at Twitter, generally Twitter started the project and he was involved. And they didn't really direct everything themselves, they basically did a research phase, reviewed several teams who applied and picked Jay who had some vision and they liked it. And then she insisted to set it up as a separate company, they agreed, she hired a couple of people, they gave her money and Jack ended up on the board.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@ku1ik And I think he was somewhat involved at the beginning as an advisor, but then as they started building the concrete service in 2022/23 he disagreed with a bunch of decisions (we don't know the details), he was overruled, and he got less and less interested.

Then in the summer he occasionally posted on the site, but by then the userbase was strongly left-leaning, anti-capitalist etc. so they basically chased him off the site and he deleted the account 😬

fredbrooker, Czech
@fredbrooker@witter.cz avatar

that escalated quickly

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@fredbrooker Poor younger Jack, it's a bit overwhelming for him and I can imagine 😬

eklektikos, Italian
@eklektikos@mastodon.uno avatar

Sempre a proposito di . 😆

Su Dorsey pesa sempre il peccato originale: se avesse investito su , probabilmente adesso avremmo un molto più avanti. 😁

https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/05/jack-dorsey-says-hes-no-longer-on-the-bluesky-board/

filippodb,
@filippodb@mastodon.uno avatar

@eklektikos beh ma questi CEO hanno il vizietto di fare le cose recintate e controllabili altrimenti non sono contenti, e il fatto che non abbia investito nel fediverso è un buon segno, significa che non è scalabile o monetizzabile.
Lo si sapeva da mesi ormai ma ora che c'è l'ufficialità è una brutta botta, prevedo fuggi fuggi generalizzato anche perchè lui era il motivo principale per cui si dava autorevolezza al social, probabilmente faranno la fine di Diaspora.

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

Give me some of your favorite accounts we are now able to follow on . please...

vetehinen,

@wjmaggos you're probably asking too early, I've seen basically no high profile ones (it is possible to browse the full list of people who are following the bridge bot directly on Bluesky)

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@vetehinen

ah, didn't think of that. thanks.

https://bsky.app/profile/ap.brid.gy/followers

fromjason,
@fromjason@mastodon.social avatar

From The Verge: Jack Dorsey says he’s no longer on Bluesky’s board

> There’s seemingly no evidence that Dorsey is off the Bluesky board yet, apart from his post. The company still lists him as a board member, along with its CEO, Jay Graeber, and Jabber / XMPP inventor Jeremie Miller.

Jack just abruptly broke up with on ?

Also, I was sure his distancing was a strategic move. Guess he really was just throwing a tantrum.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/5/24149543/jack-dorsey-gone-bluesky-board

mvsde,
@mvsde@mastodon.social avatar

Jack Dorsey is crawling back to Twitter, licking Elon’s boots, calling the site “freedom technology”. In case anyone wondered about Jack’s political alignment: it’s far right, techno-fascist probably.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/5/24149543/jack-dorsey-gone-bluesky-board

paulfoerster,
@paulfoerster@swiss.social avatar

Found on today. Can someone hand it over to , , , and all other moron out there, please?

cellfourteen,
@cellfourteen@social.petertoushkov.eu avatar

If you are a person but you miss your peeps on the / , bridge your account and follow them directly from Bluesky. Simple instructions here (detailed by me):

https://bsky.app/profile/cellfourteen.petertoushkov.eu/post/3krq35aqq5u2e

The other way around is also possible. Detailed instructions here (official documentation):

https://fed.brid.gy/docs

Transportist,
@Transportist@mastodon.social avatar

Using to see my Bluesky account in to boost fed.bird.gy () allowing me to see posts on , and vice versa. If I post something on Mastodon will it appear on Bluesky, and so appear on Mastodon, and so forth, in a mirror of infinite recursion?

cragsand,
@cragsand@mastodon.social avatar
Transportist,
@Transportist@mastodon.social avatar

@cragsand it’s a work in progress

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

Good read - interesting comparison of how moderation is handled on the Fediverse and , with Fedi being more like a "network of clubs" and Bluesky putting more emphasis on personal preference vs. closed communities, and what this means in practice: https://www.aendra.com/some-thoughts-on-running-a-moderation-service-that-blocks-screenshots/

mima,

I'm not really sure why, but this looks very broken in when bridged via ​:ai_woozy2:​

I don't think I have used any non-ASCII characters? ​:satrithink:​

https://bsky.app/profile/mima.makai.chaotic.ninja.ap.brid.gy/post/3krnapytegfl2

RE: https://makai.chaotic.ninja/notes/9sv755tghe

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@mima Hmm, yeah… cc @snarfed.org@snarfed.org

mjgardner,
@mjgardner@social.sdf.org avatar

This account is now bridged to as @mjgardner.social.sdf.org.ap.brid.gy via @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy

mjgardner,
@mjgardner@social.sdf.org avatar

I have my first follower ( @sharonahill.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy ) but have yet to see any of my posts there via

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

The by Snarfed was soft-launched this week - still very alpha and a lot of things don't work, but posts are starting to come through both ways 🙂

Right now you need to follow the bridge to get bridged (the DM-request mechanism isn't finished yet). I'm tracking the bridged accounts (M->B) here: https://blue.mackuba.eu/directory/fedi

luca,
@luca@sironi.tk avatar

@mackuba

Is there a way to have also the list of the original bluesky accounts who opted in ?

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@luca Not on my site right now, but you could scroll through the followers of the bridge account on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ap.brid.gy/followers

RxBrad,
@RxBrad@mastodon.rxbrad.com avatar

"I'm doing my part!"

RxBrad,
@RxBrad@mastodon.rxbrad.com avatar

@wonkothesane I assume it'll be @jeffgerstmann.com@bsky.brid.gy

He did the steps on his end.. We're just waiting for the bridge to link him up over here.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@RxBrad @wonkothesane it seems to take some time (measured in hours), things are still very wonky

mima,

Idk why not at this point. The critics got like everything they wanted. Everything is pretty much . And because of that it's difficult to follow from here the artists I follow at . ​:satsuki_sadge:​

You could say "just ask each one of them to follow you then", but that's easy for you to say. I don't like looking like an unsolicited jerk asking if they want to hear the words of Jesus Christ or something. Which is how I see some of you here on fedi btw. Damn evangelists. No different from techbros or FOSSbros

Now I do think the early stages should be opt-in like a beta as it is right now to iron out the bugs (and there are plenty) before being available fully to the public. But I have a feeling this is never gonna go as it should've been because of the harshness of those ignorant IANALs who do not really understand the and other laws... ​:reisensweat:​

RE: https://fosstodon.org/users/hcj/statuses/112379286314634175

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@mima This is still an early testing phase (it wasn't even supposed to be announced 😅) - it won't be fully opt-in like now, eventually it should send those request DMs on Mastodon, and probably just follow automatically on Bluesky side, but it's all not ready yet. Snarfed is probably now in kind of putting-out-fires mode ;)

hcj,
@hcj@fosstodon.org avatar

Is the bridge working?

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@hcj I see your account there, but no posts yet

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