rysiek, (edited ) to random
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

A few days ago I made some predictions about the and :
https://szmer.info/post/349217

tl;dr:

  • soon media will discover Lemmy exists
  • they will miss Kbin exists
  • once they eventually notice it, they will be befuddled about it; Kbin will get called a "fork" of Lemmy at some point.
  • more Threadiverse instances will start turning off registrations to deal with the deluge of people joining
  • media will call this "elitist" (as opposed to BlueSky or ClubHouse being…

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maegul, (edited ) to fediverse
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

settles on its big central instance: lemmy.world () run by @ruud

Its numbers are now big enough to be counted amongst the top 5-10 masto instances! (https://fedidb.org/network/instance/lemmy.world) as become the “second platform” by size.

Apart from running it well and keeping up to date (recent update seems to have gone well, with a nice example of instances and admins helping each other!?), some redditers seek the big instances?? Curious how communities will adapt.

@fediversenews

rysiek, to random
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

The is growing fast!

Since start of June, Lemmy went from ~1000 (as reported on the-federation.info) to ~22k monthly active accounts:
https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Kbin went from ~200 (not a typo, two hundred), to ~31k monthly active accounts:
https://the-federation.info/platform/184

I would risk a hot-take that Threadiverse today is where Fediverse was in April 2022: some infra exist, some long-established communities are there, and there is now sudden popular interest, stress-testing the network.

maegul, (edited ) to fediverse
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

So, is it time now for "spread mastodon/fediverse" to adapt somewhat and spread the "" (my moniker, fediverse for reddit-like platforms, eg and )

The energy and pickup in users seems real. Lemmy is def more active, and there's a growing sense of the Reddit-migration happening. (See, eg, https://lemmy.ml/post/1148886?scrollToComments=true, https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/140op93/host_your_own_community_if_reddits_api_rules_go/)

But the platforms probably need help. Instances, communities, documentation, tutorials, forks etc.

@fediversenews

ThatOneKirbyMain2568, (edited ) to fediverse
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I've been thinking a bit about this post regarding 's responsibility to be compatible with the ( thread aggregators like & ). Right now, a thread from Lemmy or Kbin usually federates to Mastodon with truncated text and a link to the actual thread. However, many want Mastodon to be more compatible with threads so that the people over on Mastodon interact with the threadiverse more.

I was initially in agreement as a Kbin user. But having given it some thought, I think this is an unwise approach that'll only serve to overcomplicate platforms on the . Yes, people on Mastodon should promote other parts of the fediverse (and vice versa), but complete interoperability shouldn't be expected of every platform.

As much as many would like it, you can't have long-form video from PeerTube, images from Pixelfed, threads from Kbin, blogs from Writefreely, etc. all neatly fit in a microblog feed. These are different formats made for different platforms, and the people making them are expecting them to be interacted with in completely different ways. When someone makes a thread in a Lemmy community, they're probably expecting that the people who are going to see and interact with the thread are people that want to see threads and are thus on a Lemmy instance (or another thread aggregator). If someone from Mastodon were to interact with it as if it were a microblog post, there'd be a big mismatch. People interact with microblogs differently than they do with threads — that's why they're separate to begin with. You don't see everyone on Twitter also wanting to use to Reddit because people who want microblogs don't necessarily want Reddit-style threads, and vice versa.

The other option, then, is to separate these different formats into different feeds or otherwise make them clearly distinct from one another. Kbin does this by separating threads and microblog posts into two tabs. While you can view both in the "All Content" tab if you'd like, they're styled differently enough that it's very clear when you're looking at a thread and when you're looking at a microblog post. This distinction lets users treat threads like threads and microblog posts like microblog posts, which is really helpful since the two formats serve different purposes and have different audiences. This option — clear distinction — is a great way to solve the conundrum I've been talking about… if your platform is meant for viewing all these different kinds of content to begin with.

And that's what it really comes down to imo. Mastodon is a platform for microblogging. Most people go to Mastodon because they want a Twitter alternative, not a Twitter alternative that's also an Instagram alternative and a Reddit alternative and a YouTube alternative. Even if you put these different content types in separate tabs, it would inevitably make things seem more confusing and thus raise the barrier of entry. Add a Videos tab to Mastodon to view stuff on PeerTube, and people are inevitably going to go, "Wait, what's this? Is this like YouTube? I thought this was just a Twitter alternative! This all seems too complicated," even if you tell them to ignore it.

It's probably best to leave Mastodon as it is: a microblogging platform that has some limited federation with other formats. The way Kbin threads currently display on Mastodon is fine. In fact, when I post a Kbin thread, I'm expecting it to be viewed via a thread aggregator. If people on Mastodon were part of the target audience, I would've made a microblog post.

Now, if you want to make something that lets you view everything on the fediverse via different tabs, feel free. As aforementioned, Kbin supports both threads and microblogs, though it comes with some challenges (e.g., trying to fit magazine-less microblog posts into Kbin's magazine system). However, this doesn't mean every platform on the fediverse needs to seamlessly incorporate everything else. I'd love people on Mastodon to promote and even try out Lemmy & Kbin more, but that doesn't mean Mastodon needs to also become a thread aggregator.

reiver, to fediverse
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

There is a discussion going on on Lemmy about what people think the future of Lemmy (and the Threadiverse part of the Fediverse) will be.

Some of the comments are interesting.

https://lemmy.world/post/4349778

ophiocephalic, to kbin
@ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social avatar

If you're on the and don't want to see the fediverse absorbed by surveillance capitalism, check out the magazine , admin-ed by @smallpatatas

https://fedia.io/m/DefederateMeta

liaizon, to fediverse
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

There are now multiple browser extensions to redirect outgoing links to subs in the threadiverse to your local instance of choice

Kbin Linker Extension
https://github.com/daniel-lxs/kbin-link

Lemmy Linker Extension
https://github.com/FackJox/lemmy-link

This is a major downside to how federation works currently and something we shouldn't need extensions for, but as a stopgap solution I am glad they exist.

@fediverse ]

lutindiscret, to kbin
@lutindiscret@mastodon.libre-entreprise.com avatar

"Copie Publique" grant program for FLOSS: €3000 grant to support Lemmy

French worker-owned company @codelutin invest 3333 € to support the development. 3000 € will go to Lemmy while 333 € will go to .

@copiepublique is a french alliance of companies who pledged to support FLOSS via profit-sharing. If you are a french company, join the alliance! ✊

@lemmy

dansup, to random
@dansup@mastodon.social avatar

I think Lemmy will not only overtake PeerTube, but also Misskey, and Kbin will surge to 200k users within the next month.

hariette, to ArtemisApp

Just pushed PURE DARK MODE to testers. Makes any theme as dark as possible 👀

liaizon, to random
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

omfg according to @threadcount the is about to hit 1/2 a million accounts

tchambers, (edited ) to RedditMigration
pixelfed, to random
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We shipped a bunch of improvements to https://fedidb.org!

⚡ Fresher stats
⚡ New graphs
⚡ Top 20 lists updated more often
⚡ 14d server graphs
⚡ Server instance.json
⚡ Stats updated more often
⚡ Sus subdomain detection
⚡ Improved mobile layout
⚡ New favicon

One more thing, we also improved the page https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse

Feedback + boosts appreciated! We have lot's more in store, stay tuned 🚀

hariette, (edited ) to ArtemisApp

Finally got an android phone to daily drive for a while. Wanna give some Material You love to . Checkout those colors and tab bar. Not just an iphone ripoff 😂

developerjustin, to RedditMigration
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Believe the hype, y’all. @hariette and the team are building something special with @ArtemisApp. The alpha feels better than some finished products I’ve used recently. So much polish in every pixel of this thing.

maegul, to fediversenews
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Defederation drama hits the , but with the twist of community/group dynamics being a major factor: see discussion with important links here: https://lemmy.ml/post/1281130

Here defederation is concerned with open signups (lemmy.world) and beehaw’s ability to moderate effectively, where they’re finding lemmy’s tools lacking, on which see this thread on an upcoming review: https://hachyderm.io/@thisismissem/110550824230711531 (@thisismissem).
TLDR: lemmy/kbin aren’t ready yet, need 6mnths-2yrs to mature

@fediversenews

hariette, (edited ) to kbin

In one day got 250+ users awaiting the upcoming private beta! Equally split between and 🍎 🤖

Love seeing the community so active in bettering the ecosystem!

Aiming for the first wave of testers in one week. I want y’all shaping this ASAP.

Join the discord! https://discord.gg/mqcQuERsTW

maegul, to fediverse
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Lemmy.world may be quickly becoming the relative centre of the

Growing fast, communities gaining more traction than counterparts on lemmy.ml and probably has the momentum of being new ground for everyone.

See, eg @ruud scaling the server up to the same specs as mastodon.world: https://lemmy.world/post/75556

There’s probably a good amount of scope for experienced mastodon admins to run parallel / servers. are thinking about it AFAIK.

@fediverse @fediversenews

dansup, to random
@dansup@mastodon.social avatar

Total users != Active users

Kbin has more active users than Lemmy!

Anyone can inflate user counts, but active users are a better signal to determine growth 😉

emill1984, to kbin Polish
@emill1984@101010.pl avatar

Dobra, drogie Fediversowe ludki, jak kogos interesuja esporty to zapraszam na karab.in ;)
https://karab.in/m/esport

I do kolegi @SceNtriC na https://bin.pol.social/m/esport tez zapraszam, mysle, ze bedziemy sie dobrze uzupelniac 😎

#gry #giereczkowo #esport #fediversum :fediverse: #kbin #threadiverse @esport

ada, to reddit
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I guess we better get ready for the next surge in lemmy user signups...

https://www.reddit.com/community-points/documentation/introduction

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