fell, to Matrix
@fell@ma.fellr.net avatar

I'm still thinking about and . I like both, but it makes me sad how XMPP is so undersupported. It seems like it would be less complex and more efficient. But maybe I'm wrong.

debacle,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@fell

Yes, this stuff is really complicated. I agree, that both Matrix and are complex (in different ways), and the people who invented those protocols are not stupid — they implemented all the complexity for reasons.

And how cumbersome email is nowadays! When I started using email, there was no TLS, no PGP, no MIME, no DKIM, no SPF, no DMARC, no other encoding than 7-bits ASCII. To send a picture, we had to uuencode it and paste the result in the email. Wow!

postroutine, to foss French
@postroutine@framapiaf.org avatar

If you like Conversations, the XMPP client, FOSS, for Android, do not hesitate to support Daniel Gultsch, its maintainer.

"Daniel Gultsch is the maintainer of the Android Jabber client Conversations. In addition to that he develops various tools that aim to improve the Jabber ecosystem like the Compliance Tester or the Server Status Monitor."

https://liberapay.com/iNPUTmice

#XMPP
#Jabber
#Conversations
#FOSS

UmWerker, to telegram German
@UmWerker@todon.nl avatar

habe ich nun gelöscht. Das immer schon damit einhergehende ungute Gefühl wollte ich nicht länger ertragen. wird wohl auch noch vom Gerät fliegen. Fällt mir natürlich leicht, weil beide ungenutzt sind. Wer will sich schon mit mir unterhalten? 😉 werde ich vorerst behalten. Weil mir bekanntlich Datenschutz wichtig ist, habe ich wieder ein Konto eingerichtet. Mal sehen, ob es je zur Anwendung kommt 😊

debacle,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@UmWerker

funktioniert bei mir u.a. gut, weil ich es im Freundeskreis aktiv beworben habe. Mein Argument war: Du erreichst mich entweder per oder gar nicht per Chat. Ohne das hätte es leider fast niemand genutzt. Untereinander nutzen sie nach wie vor Whatsapp und Telegram.

Bei Android-Users, die kein Problem mit einem rufnummerbasierten Dienst haben, hat sich https://quicksy.im/ von @daniel als Wundermittel erwiesen.

xmpp, to chat
@xmpp@fosstodon.org avatar

Community

In today's XMPP & Strategic we had folks present from 🇦🇹 🇧🇷 🇨🇦 🇫🇮 🇫🇷 🇩🇪 🇮🇹 🇺🇸
Let us know where else the XMPP community is present?


briankrebs, to random

One of the more limiting things about Signal is you have to give out your mobile number to everyone. Even if it is a burner, I still don't want to advertise to the world that it's mine.

Was happy to read today that Signal is now beta testing a new username feature.

https://community.signalusers.org/t/public-username-testing-staging-environment/56866

debacle, (edited )
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@briankrebs

I never used Signal for three reasons. Requirement of phone number is one of them.

The other two issues also need to get resolved:

  1. Signal is a centralized service on the Amazon cloud AWS. I want free choice of server, like with / . .

  2. I want a first class citizen client for my OS (Linux / / ), not Electron bloatware. I do not use Android or iOS.

(I'll stay with / , which exists since 1999 and still works fine.)

xmpp, to chat
@xmpp@fosstodon.org avatar

The Newsletter for October '23 is out!

Read about the latest XMPP universe updates and the latest updates on our !

Enjoy reading! 📰 ☕

https://xmpp.org/2023/11/the-xmpp-newsletter-october-2023/


youronlyone, to fediverse
@youronlyone@c.im avatar

A fictional way of looking at

  • Web (the multiverse)
  • Zot (a.k.a. protocol universe)
  • galaxy
    -- note 1: communication with the Fediverse is standard practice in this universe.
  • galaxy
    -- note 1: developed a way to communicate across the Mycelial Web (a.k.a. the multiverse). Can also communicate with BlueSky and diaspora.
  • Mycelium (a.k.a. protocol universe)
  • galaxy
    -- note 1: developed a way to communicate across the Mycelial Web (a.k.a. the multiverse). Can also communicate with BlueSky and diaspora.
  • galaxy
  • firefish.social star/solar system
  • galaxy
  • c.im star/solar system
  • galaxy
  • c.wtf star/solar system
  • galaxy
  • pixelfed.social star/solar system
  • Sky Mycelium (a.k.a. universe)
  • galaxy
  • bsky.app star/solar system
  • Mycelium (a.k.a. protocol universe)
  • Matrix Mycelium (a.k.a. protocol universe)
  • Mycelium
  • galaxy
  • galaxy (closed borders; isolated; aware of other mycelium/universes)
  • star/solar system
  • #X Mycelium (closed borders; isolated; have not discovered there are other mycelium/universes besides their own)
  • Mycelium (closed borders; isolated; rumours has it their government decided against connecting with the other mycelium/universes, but they are aware)
  • Mycelium (closed borders; isolated; aware of other mycelium/universes)
  • / Mycelium - collapsed
  • * Mycelium (Diaspora protocol universe)
  • diaspora galaxy empire (software)
  • diasp.org star/solar system (instance)
  • galaxy (software)
  • socialhome.network star/solar system (instance)
  • + ( universe) - collapsed

… and so on.

neustradamus, to python
@neustradamus@mastodon.social avatar
blake, to random

I need a server to test Spades with so I'm about to set up the server for blakes.dev (and blakeslabs.com). I'd like to use Metronome but I'm not sure if or how well it works with Docker¹. Prosody doesn't support MIX (a must for me) and it's also old, crusty, and you know, replaced by Metronome. So now I'm looking at Ejabberd² which doesn't seem to have a community modules system so I don't think I can (easily) extend features onto it, like MIX-MUC, the way Prosody (and Metronome) could. I believe there's also Openfire which I've seen is also behind on features (it doesn't support XEP-0050 Blocking Command?).

I'm probably going to set up Ejabberd but some advice would be appreciated.

¹ I'm using Docker to manage all my shit, like how most of us nerds use Kubernetes. Isn't K8s used for multiple-server servers? I'm only running one VPS, so it's not that useful for me.
² They said they were adding Matrix support some time back. That would be very useful to me. I don't see any mention of it in the docs or even the source code though.

heiseonline, to security German

Lauschangriff auf russischen Jabber-Server in Deutschland: Wer steckt dahinter?

Rein zufällig flog auf, dass sich Unbekannte mit einem eigenen Zertifikat in Jabber-Chat-Verbindungen einklinkten. Die Betreiber vermuten eine Polizeiaktion.

https://www.heise.de/news/Lauschangriff-auf-russischen-Jabber-Server-in-Deutschland-Wer-steckt-dahinter-9343653.html?wt_mc=sm.red.ho.mastodon.mastodon.md_beitraege.md_beitraege

'sEncrypt

xmpp, to chat
@xmpp@fosstodon.org avatar

Announcement

Once a year the Foundation holds for its Board of and for the XMPP .

If you are interested in running for Board or Council, please add a wiki page about your candidacy to one or both of the following sections until November 5th, 2023, 00:00 UTC. (Board application does not require XSF membership.)

https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2023#The_meeting_particulars_are

xmpp, (edited ) to security
@xmpp@fosstodon.org avatar

Announcement

Recently there was an incident via a so called attack happened to an .

To reduce the risk of such attacks in the future an early stage service called CertWatch has been published by our Community: https://certwatch.xmpp.net/

Many thanks to Stephen P. Weber (@singpolyma)!

Read two related blog posts:
http://blog.jmp.chat/b/certwatch/certwatch

https://snikket.org/blog/on-the-jabber-ru-mitm/

governa, to random
@governa@fosstodon.org avatar
qwazix, to random
@qwazix@bananachips.club avatar

I'm always amused by the lightweightness of . I'm in the metro with virtually no signal, http can't even transfer headers and times out and I can hold a regular conversation over .

debacle,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@qwazix

Others seem to agree with you:

https://decentim.grafana.net/public-dashboards/92602d3a4aa842ce97812d310077691d?orgId=1

Use to save human habitability of our planet! 🙂

chuso, to infosec
@chuso@fosstodon.org avatar

Encrypted traffic interception on Hetzner and Linode targeting the largest Russian XMPP (Jabber) messaging service
https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/

publicvoit, (edited ) to random
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

Another argument for using proven encrypted messengers and proper verify used keys:

Encrypted traffic interception on Hetzner and Linode targeting the largest Russian () messaging service
https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/

neustradamus, to programming
@neustradamus@mastodon.social avatar
Mer__edith, to random
@Mer__edith@mastodon.world avatar

Where I speak some advantages Signal has over the bigger richer rest of tech:

“We don’t have to be full of shit. We’re not a surveillance company. I’m not trying to pretend Facebook is good. I don’t have to toe a party line that is divorced from reality”

https://restofworld.org/2023/signal-president-meredith-whittaker-messaing-privacy/

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@jabberati @anarchopunk_girl @fla @Mer__edith @signalapp

+9001%

Same with [] and [] and many other options.

Also if you can recommend any other good / Servers feel free to namedrop them as I do work on an index for those - among others:
https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@Pabamiti All those Apps listed are all & as well as & solutions and thus inherently trash!

It's like as if you take all "" but go out of your way to deny the 's :fediverse: & 's :activitypub: existance entirely...
https://floss.social/@doctormo/111249256551959224

Whereas there are a feckton of good / Clients that even do & /MIME out of the box, like and ...

karson777, to random
@karson777@mstdn.starnix.network avatar

if the fedi has some good xmpp / jabber group chats let me know

i like the technology but don't know anyone who uses it :sadlinux:​

#xmpp #jabber #gajim #conversations #omemo

xmpp, to chat
@xmpp@fosstodon.org avatar

The Newsletter for September '23 is out!

Read about the latest XMPP universe updates and the latest updates on our !

Enjoy reading! 📰 ☕

https://xmpp.org/2023/10/the-xmpp-newsletter-september-2023/


debacle, to berlin
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

🐻 Next Meeting Wednesday, 2023-10-11 18:00 CEST

🐻 Topic: hrxi talks about " on "

🐻 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/803941786

🐻 Second Wednesday of every month

🐻 https://xmpp-meetup.in-berlin.de

@dino

thomholwerda, to random

Are there any third party Signal clients for Linux? The official one seems to be Electron, and I'd of course prefer a Qt native one.

debacle,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@chewie @thomholwerda

For the fun of it, you could install your own server, e.g. by @snikket_im and the gateway by @nicoco. It's a whole set of transports, not only for Signal, but also for Whatsapp, Telegram, Discord, Mattermost, Steam, Skype, Facebook Messenger, and Matrix.

Then you could use a native Jabber client, e.g. by @dino, by @gajim or by @kaidan.

jwildeboer, to unpopularopinion
@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net avatar

I guess it's an but here goes: Maybe it would be better if simply removes the DM/Private Mentions "feature" altogether. In its current form it's effectively kinda useless. It's insecure, it doesn't feel well integrated, it feels like bolted on but not as a natural part of the experience.

stevenroose,

@jwildeboer
Or better integrates click-through links to or , with for example plugins for integrated Jabber overlay chats. They exist and could be quite easily integrated as a plug-in.
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