One of the action items that came out was to collate the state of current implementations. Unfortunately, outside of implementations that federate non-textual content (e.g. Pixelfed Stories, Mobilizon Events, etc.), the majority of implementors just use as:Note, which is not surprising given Mastodon's treatment of non-Note objects.
What is less clear is whether there is pent-up demand for use of a different data type for more richly forrmatted content. @mikedev and @jupiter_rowland provided some very illuminating history behind previous attempts to use as:Article, but importantly it seems that Mastodon (via @renchap) may be open to supporting this in some form as well.
While Mastodon has every reason to display as:Note as it sees fit, I'd like to hopefully address the undue influence towards using it especially in instances where as:Article were more appropriate. Mike (upthread) suggested a compromise:
that as:Note be reserved for content with attachments (images or otherwise), perhaps with a limited subset of html
and as:Article be used for content with a richer set of html (e.g. tables), and including the ability to display inline images
I explicitly did not specify that Note was for shorter content and Article for longer, because there exist plenty of examples of the reverse.
Does anybody see potential complications from such an arrangement?
I'll try to give it a boost from my #Mitra, #Hubzilla, and #Friendica accounts too (if I haven't already) so you can study/compare the various treatment cases :)
Sadly, I have not yet launched streams yet for study. I know, I'm a lame-O. I'll get to it shortly, prolly just spin up a local VM on Proxmox for that here, I really am anxious to give it a go :)
Whoo das wir das noch erleben durften... Jahrelang wurden von den Wikipedia Editoren alle Versuche gelöscht ... nun ist was online... ein paar Details werden wir nach und nach dort noch korrigieren bzw. ergänzen...
Mastodon Sprechstunde
am Donnerstag 18.04.2024, 19:30 Uhr!
Du bist #neu#neuhier auf Mastodon? Kein Problem! Wir helfen dir bei den ersten Schritten: Profil einstellen, Sicherheitstipps, Posten und Vernetzung. Sei dabei!
Eingeladen sind ebenfalls alle, die bereits Erfahrungen mit Mastodon haben und gern ihr Wissen weitergeben wollen.
Wissensaustausch: Deine Kenntnisse im Fediverse und auf Mastodon könnte anderen Teilnehmern sehr nützlich sein, insbesondere denjenigen, die noch neu in der Community sind.
Networking: Dies ist eine hervorragende Gelegenheit, sich mit anderen engagierten Mitgliedern der Gemeinschaft zu vernetzen und neue Kontakte zu knüpfen.
Ideen und Inspiration: Deine Perspektive als erfahrener Benutzer oder Betreiber einer Instanz kann dazu beitragen, innovative Ideen zu fördern und die Zukunft des Fediverse zu gestalten.
Der Link zur Veranstaltung wird dann hier und in meinem Profil 1 Tag vor Beginn gepostet.
Der Raum wird 10 Minuten vor Beginn geöffnet.
Das Online-Treffen wird auf unserem BigBlueButton-Server stattfinden. Du benötigst keine zusätzliche Software, sondern nur einen Browser – vorzugsweise Firefox oder Chrome –, ein Mikrofon (es handelt sich schließlich um eine Sprechstunde) und, wenn du möchtest, eine Webcam. Wir freuen uns auf einen lebhaften Austausch! 🎙️ 🙋♀️
Kann ich leider nicht.
Bin ich hier @Lokal_K zum freien editieren in #wikipedia
Wäre auch eine gute Idee in Wikipedia die Dienste wie #peertube#pixelfed#mastodon#hubzilla#friendica u.a. des #fediverse besser zu beschreiben und auch die Bedienung derselben, um Fediverse und Anwendungen bekannter zu machen.
Wikipedia ist schon etabliert und wird von vielen gelesen.
@fediverse Let's face it. When talking about the Fediverse, it is very hard to sell interoperability between different types of instances as a major advantage.
Do not recommend one software and/or one instance.
Using your scenario, would you recommend photography instances based on #Mastodon knowing Mastodon only allows up to 4 “attached” images? Not only that, Mastodon will only display 4 images even if there are more than that?
Or, are you going to recommend #Pixelfed designed for images. Or, maybe #Firefish, #Friendica, #Hubzilla, #Streams, which all allow more than 4 images and will display all the images even if it exceeds their software's attach limit?
Quite frankly, in my opinion, with the image display alone, Mastodon is highly not recommended. So, the number of users and instances Mastodon have does not make it the best #Fediverse software, as you have mentioned earlier, “Mastodon is the level of UX other projects should aim to”. It's not.
The best approach is we understand what the user needs and suggest to them the appropriate software and instances that will suit their needs.
Let's forget about the Fediverse for a while.
We have to remember that not everyone is on Twitter or Facebook. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals who only have an Instagram account. Why? They don't need Twitter and Facebook.
In Korea, for example, they have their own culture and platforms for communication Twitter/Facebook-like, so they don't need those. But many of them have Instagram accounts.
Now, let's go back to the Fediverse.
If those are the users we are reaching out to, then there should be no problem recommending Pixelfed. Because for these target market, their only concern and type of use is to share, well, photos or their latest digital artwork. They don't care about a Twitter/Facebook-like experience or use.
That brings us back to the features of #ActivityPub. It is an “added benefit”.
Users who want to follow this content creator can do so using their existing account.
Okay, you can't do this with #Lemmy, the last time I checked, however, you can do it with #Kbin. That's a Lemmy limitation, not the fediverse.
For the content creator who migrated to the fediverse, in particular, Pixelfed in our scenario, they have a greater reach because they're federated.
(Extra: You can actually turn Pixelfed into a regular Twitter-like software if you are using the web UI. Although, last time I heard it will be removed eventually.)
(Extra 2: BookWyrm also allows Twitter-like feeds and interaction, it's not restricted to just books.)
Hi @smalllebowsky,
es ist sicher nicht an dir vorbei gegangen, dass viele ehemalige laseure zu Lemmy gewechselt sind und mittlerweile, hat sich eine recht lebhafte Gemeinde rund um c/dach gebildet.
Nun hat das Fediverse den Schritt gemacht, dass wir von Mastodon und Lemmy Kreuzpfostieren können und das gilt auch für Post selber.
Du musst zum kreuzpfostieren lediglich "@dach" in deinem Post einbauen und kreierst automatisch einen Post in der dach Gemeinschaft.
Das gibt es schon eine ganze Weile, dass Beiträge in Lemmy-Communitys auch von Mastodon oder anderen Fediverse-Diensten aus erstellt werden können. Diejenigen, die keine Überschriften haben wie Mastodon oder Misskey, da wird dann der erste Absatz die Überschrift. In dem besser keine Tags und keine Hashtags, sondern die besser nach hinten setzen, sonst sieht es in Lemmy nicht so schön aus ;-)
Ausführlicher hier eine “Eine kleine Anleitung dazu, wie Ihr von #Mastodon, #Friendica, #Hubzilla usw. aus mit #Lemmy kommunizieren könnt”.
Hello, I am looking for some cool Filipino accounts on Mastodon that you guys can recommend. Can be food, travel, news, as long as it’s an active account / group. :) thank you in advance, much love ❤️🇵🇭
You can follow any of these from your own server as long as they are not blocking each other. You don't need to create an account on the other servers if all you want is to interact or follow.
This is not a comprehensive list. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of Filipinos on the fediverse network.
Hyphenised to avoid mass tagging. Just remove the hyphen or convert to URL format.
Oldest, active, and largest groups/communities (in no particular order):
@-pinoy@chirp.social
@-philippines@a.gup.pe
@-pilipinas@lemmy.ml
Other groups (thematic, etc.)
@-baybayin@a.gup.pe
There is a cycling group, but I seem to have forgotten to add it on my private list.
Filipino accounts in the Fediverse (in no particular order):
All these “fediverse browsers”, like Lemmy and Kbin, are commonly referred to as fediverse software. (extra info: Wikipedia calls Lemmy, Kbin, and similar answers-type or Threads-type software as “Link-aggregators”.)
There is no “Mastodon network”. There is no “mastoverse”. There is no “threadiverse”. There is no “Threadinet”, or whichever -verse / -network people are coming up with.
Any software that is using the ActivityPub protocol is part of the “Fediverse network”. Just like how any software that uses the HTTProtocol is part of the Web.
That clear so far?
Now, we go to your question.
Q: I moved to lemmy.world and have noticed that lemmy.ml has been popping up as another featured instance. What differs from lemmy.world vs lemmy.ml? Is .ml more active?
lemmy.world and lemmy.ml are called instances (the terminology used to refer to a fediverse server/service). These two are only two out of many fediverse instances available. In paritcular, these two instances are only two out of probably a hundred Lemmy-based instances available.
What differs between the two? As far as features and functionalities go, none. Since these two Lemmy-based instances are using the same software, they have the same set of features. The only difference would be if one instance fell behind in Lemmy version upgrades.
Since lemmy.ml is one of two flaship servers of the Lemmy software project, naturally it will get the bulk of registrations and content.
For example, before the Reddit Migration, there were already existing communities for many similar Subreddits, and many of those are in lemmy.ml and are very active. So, when Subreddits started to migrate, some chose lemmy.world and other lemmy instances. Which allowed lemmy.world to catch up with the number of users and number of active communities that lemmy.ml already have. AND, some of these are about the same topics/fandom.
@butter, @dessalines, I've grown quite fond of Friendica for that very thing, following things, not just people. Not only does it let me follow topics via tags, but things like #lemmy and #guppe get added as "forums", plus I can follow any #RSS or #Atom feed. All of these are added the same as adding any other contact (follow). All of these different ways of following things get listed in the same area of my account, as "contacts", where they can be easily separated into to multiple groups (lists). Each followed hashtag, forum, contact group, or protocol type is always listed down the side of my page where I can simply click on it to filter my current feed.
I know that other #fediverse / #ActivityPub interfaces such as #Pleroma, #Akkoma, #Misskey, #Calckey, #Hubzilla, and #Streams have some/all of these capabilities, each to their own extent. However, having played around extensively with all of them, I've come to find that #Friendica is the one that works best for me. And at the end of the day, this is the only thing that matters. It may be a bit time consuming, but trying all the things is the best (only?) way to see how they'll work for you.
Ist das tatsächlich so?
Ich habe mich mal interessehalber für #Bluesky auf die Warteliste setzen lassen, aber seitdem (vor ein paar Wochen) nichts mehr gehört. Außerdem halte ich das ganze Vorhaben von Jack #Dorsey ehrlich gesagt für egoistisch, vielleicht sogar für egomanisch. Er wusste sehr wohl, dass es das #Fediverse bereits gab, und hätte etwas entwickeln (lassen) können, das zumindest #ActivityPub beherrscht. Spricht ja nichts dagegen, wenn es mit eigenen Protokollstandards noch darüber hinaus geht. Das tut beispielsweise auch #Hubzilla. Aber wer nicht bereit ist, existierende #W3C Standards einzuhalten (ActivityPub ist ein W3C-Standard, so wie HTML oder CSS), bastelt letztlich nur ein neues AOL.
All these talk about #BlueSky and complaints about #Mastodon this, #ActivityPub that, #Fediverse this, and #Decentralisation that, are mostly questionable(?) since many haven't seriously looked around the fediverse. It's like saying burgers are bad because you've tasted McDonald's yet there are better burgers from #Jollibee.
The problem stems from the fediverse ending up unofficially represented by a very limited-feature software and most are not willing to do their due diligence (one would think they'll check out the forks at least). Before championing about the new kid on the block, before claiming that the fediverse is this and that, look around first.
What you've known as the fediverse, so far, is only based on what happens to be the software with the least feature set. Mainline Mastodon will get better, but it is what it is currently, as far as comparison with similar fediverse projects.
No one is saying you are not allowed to complain, just look around first before you make claims about the fediverse.
Also, no one is saying #ATP shouldn't exist. By all means develop it! Innovation and improvements come from seeing ideas come to fruition instead of staying as theories. Having different branches of development is better than getting stuck in one particular way of doing things, or line of thinking. It's all good and I think anyone will agree it is much welcomed.
Here's a #challenge: Since you have time to research a non-fediverse network, why don't you explore what the fediverse really has to offer, with the same effort and enthusiasm? Mastodon is not the fediverse, so you can not judge the fediverse based on it. That's like saying China is Asia, and you judge Asians because of mainland China.
Take the challenge, then publish the results of your journey. Good evening, and Shalom!
The next version of #Share2Fedi will add support for other Fediverse projects. I need to test it, but I don’t have any accounts to do it with. That’s where you come in:
Okay, I tried again to follow myself from #hubzilla... This time, after creating the connection, I got this message:
...
This connection's primary address is 'shirasade@fandom.ink'
Available locations: shirasade@fandom.ink
This connection may be unreachable from other channel locations.
Location independence is not supported by their network.
Last update: never
...
So, does that mean, there's something in the settings of fandom.ink?
Best Philippines Mastodon accounts
Hello, I am looking for some cool Filipino accounts on Mastodon that you guys can recommend. Can be food, travel, news, as long as it’s an active account / group. :) thank you in advance, much love ❤️🇵🇭
How do we call kbin users?
Kbinners? Binnies? Kbinators?
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Other use cases for the fediverse
I never got into mastodon because I couldn't connect multiple instances. I like this a lot about Lemmy so far (just here for a few minutes though)....
Mastodon monoculture problem (rys.io)